Pixel Shaders? Hmm...

Velocity 7 · August 28th, 2003

http://softwire.sourceforge.net/extra.html

Just thought I'd post this. A way to software emulate pixel shaders. Everything there is open-source, so if interested go and give the guy a call.

I'd like this thread to be mirrored for caustik too. ^_^

Organ_Shifter · August 28th, 2003

Whoa! This could turn into something big!

liveman · February 4th, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Organ_Shifter

Whoa! This could turn into something big!

if it really works that good.

**Razor Blade** · February 5th, 2004

The PS2 uses software for pixel shaders also.

PentiumPro · February 5th, 2004

Holy monkey! This is awesome for all of us ATI users(People who are "stuck"with ATI's) I say stuck because my new obsession of xbox emulation calls for different hardware(geforce).

Now maybe xeon will work on my mobility 7500.

What's the BEST Nvidia card that supports PCI? I have a desktop that only has PCI slots. I'm planning to get rid of this crappy monitor out card. It sucks.

**Razor Blade** · February 5th, 2004

>> People who are "stuck"with ATI's

Stuck? LOL, I chose mine ...

ATI uses pixel shader 2.0, why is this so great?

PentiumPro · February 5th, 2004

I changed my post and said why. I think ATI's are nice, actually. But xbox and ATI don't mix well.

**hushypushy** · February 7th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Computertrendy

Holy monkey! This is awesome for all of us ATI users(People who are "stuck"with ATI's) I say stuck because my new obsession of xbox emulation calls for different hardware(geforce).

Now maybe xeon will work on my mobility 7500.

What's the BEST Nvidia card that supports PCI? I have a desktop that only has PCI slots. I'm planning to get rid of this crappy monitor out card. It sucks.

there are not good PCI cards. you will NEVER be able to run an xbox emulator worth a crap on PCI (PCI express, thats a different story

)...get a new mobo with AGP, thats your best bet

**zenogais** · February 7th, 2004

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Originally Posted by hushypushy

there are not good PCI cards. you will NEVER be able to run an xbox emulator worth a crap on PCI (PCI express, thats a different story

)...get a new mobo with AGP, thats your best bet

Actually if this technology is integrated into CXBX or some other XBox emulator, then the abilities of your graphics card would no longer be a factor. Instead the speed of your CPU would control the speed of your overall XBox emulation experience. Basically this programmer also has a pretty nice dynamic recompiler which is what it uses to achieve such fast pixel shader emulation.

PentiumPro · February 11th, 2004

What the hell is PCI express?

**Kane** · February 11th, 2004

Sequel to PCI and PCI-X (the server version).
PCI provides a total b/w of 133MB/s
PCI Express x1 provides a b/w of 250MB/s per port.
Graphics cards are gonna be on x16 (3.9GB/s) IIRC

**Chrono Archangel** · February 11th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Kane-Sama

Sequel to PCI and PCI-X (the server version).
PCI provides a total b/w of 133MB/s
PCI Express x1 provides a b/w of 250MB/s per port.
Graphics cards are gonna be on x16 (3.9GB/s) IIRC

me think I heard that making a grpahic card for PCI-Express is just insanely expensive compared to AGP...

Clements · February 11th, 2004

FX 5600 is the fastest PCI nVidia card I'm aware of. I wouldn't buy it just to try Xeon out, since you can just buy an XBox for the same price, and it'll be flawless.

DX 8.1/DX9 ATi Radeon cards in theory should be fine with an XBox emu since all the XBox has is an aging GeForce 3. I think the XBox doesn't use Pixel Shaders that are that advanced - either 1.0/1.1/1.4 (don't care which, it's one of them).

This technology would only benefit cards that have no Pixelshaders like ancient Radeons and MX cards, and ONLY if the CPU is fast enough. (Unlikely since if you can't afford a decent gfx card then you are unlikely to have a fast CPU either.)

PentiumPro · February 12th, 2004

Wow. Now that's an answer. Thanks man.

Well, I think my board was originally meant to be in a server (that might explain why it only has four pci slots, nothing more). I don't have any alternative; PCI is all I got. It's an 800mhz cpu. I'm beginning to wonder If I could overclock it to 1.1 .At least, that's the plan.

Anybody got any gaming options for me?

Kraelis · February 29th, 2004

I guess. But pixel shaders on the software level can only go so far. It's better than nothing, though.

**hushypushy** · February 29th, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrono Archange

me think I heard that making a grpahic card for PCI-Express is just insanely expensive compared to AGP...

i read on some sites (including nVidia and ATI, i think) that PCI express is actually cheaper to make

August 28th, 2003	#1 (permalink)
Velocity 7 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Your Computer Posts: 106	Pixel Shaders? Hmm... http://softwire.sourceforge.net/extra.html Just thought I'd post this. A way to software emulate pixel shaders. Everything there is open-source, so if interested go and give the guy a call. I'd like this thread to be mirrored for caustik too. ^_^

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PentiumPro Leading the way. Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Simi Valley, California. USA Posts: 777	Holy monkey! This is awesome for all of us ATI users(People who are "stuck"with ATI's) I say stuck because my new obsession of xbox emulation calls for different hardware(geforce). Now maybe xeon will work on my mobility 7500. What's the BEST Nvidia card that supports PCI? I have a desktop that only has PCI slots. I'm planning to get rid of this crappy monitor out card. It sucks. __________________ CPU: P4 3.0GHZ Prescott HT @3.6][MB: Asus P5LD2][RAM: 1GB][Video Card: ASUS EAX800/ I.E. Radeon X800 256MB][Optiwrite DVD+R/RW 8x][40GB WinXP SP2-OS][250GB SATA Storage(Full)][120GB EIDE Storage (Full)][160GB Sata Storage][And one badass case!] Last edited by PentiumPro; February 5th, 2004 at 17:08. Reason: Underline doesn't work.

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PentiumPro Leading the way. Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Simi Valley, California. USA Posts: 777	I changed my post and said why. I think ATI's are nice, actually. But xbox and ATI don't mix well. __________________ CPU: P4 3.0GHZ Prescott HT @3.6][MB: Asus P5LD2][RAM: 1GB][Video Card: ASUS EAX800/ I.E. Radeon X800 256MB][Optiwrite DVD+R/RW 8x][40GB WinXP SP2-OS][250GB SATA Storage(Full)][120GB EIDE Storage (Full)][160GB Sata Storage][And one badass case!]

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PentiumPro Leading the way. Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Simi Valley, California. USA Posts: 777	What the hell is PCI express? __________________ CPU: P4 3.0GHZ Prescott HT @3.6][MB: Asus P5LD2][RAM: 1GB][Video Card: ASUS EAX800/ I.E. Radeon X800 256MB][Optiwrite DVD+R/RW 8x][40GB WinXP SP2-OS][250GB SATA Storage(Full)][120GB EIDE Storage (Full)][160GB Sata Storage][And one badass case!]

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Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,253	Sequel to PCI and PCI-X (the server version). PCI provides a total b/w of 133MB/s PCI Express x1 provides a b/w of 250MB/s per port. Graphics cards are gonna be on x16 (3.9GB/s) IIRC __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

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Clements MMP-2 Dude Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 1,635	FX 5600 is the fastest PCI nVidia card I'm aware of. I wouldn't buy it just to try Xeon out, since you can just buy an XBox for the same price, and it'll be flawless. DX 8.1/DX9 ATi Radeon cards in theory should be fine with an XBox emu since all the XBox has is an aging GeForce 3. I think the XBox doesn't use Pixel Shaders that are that advanced - either 1.0/1.1/1.4 (don't care which, it's one of them). This technology would only benefit cards that have no Pixelshaders like ancient Radeons and MX cards, and ONLY if the CPU is fast enough. (Unlikely since if you can't afford a decent gfx card then you are unlikely to have a fast CPU either.) __________________ PJ64 Homepage \| ZSNES Documentation Project \| bsnes Supporter

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PentiumPro Leading the way. Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Simi Valley, California. USA Posts: 777	Wow. Now that's an answer. Thanks man. Well, I think my board was originally meant to be in a server (that might explain why it only has four pci slots, nothing more). I don't have any alternative; PCI is all I got. It's an 800mhz cpu. I'm beginning to wonder If I could overclock it to 1.1 .At least, that's the plan. Anybody got any gaming options for me? __________________ CPU: P4 3.0GHZ Prescott HT @3.6][MB: Asus P5LD2][RAM: 1GB][Video Card: ASUS EAX800/ I.E. Radeon X800 256MB][Optiwrite DVD+R/RW 8x][40GB WinXP SP2-OS][250GB SATA Storage(Full)][120GB EIDE Storage (Full)][160GB Sata Storage][And one badass case!]

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Kraelis Fallen Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Moonlight Spire Posts: 1,393	I guess. But pixel shaders on the software level can only go so far. It's better than nothing, though. __________________ --KrÆlis Cross Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur =============== Athlon 64 x2 3800\| Asrock ALiveNF6G-VSTA \| Kingston DDR2 1 Gb RAM

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