PSX emu tutorial for newbies - Page 2

**Thorgal** · November 4th, 2001

CD: as a matter of fact I do, I check emuforums.com a couple of times a day, and occasionally check other boards as well.

But what are we talking about here. Message boards. Boards where newbies can simply post their question(s) as they prefer that over doing research, fiddling with the emulator, etc. As annoying as the experienced users may find it, it's a natural fact that there are always people willing to help others, and these newbies are making full use of that (I won't go in-depth about wether it's more like 'abuse'). And even most of these people aren't 'emulation experts', they know what they need to know and try to help others with that knowledge. It's their life.

In short, most emu boards including Emuforums.com are full of newbie-posts; Phuzzi kinda already said it: "The average user on this board is a ****ing clueless twat.". Would it be strange to see not many well-thought posts by 'emulation experts' then? I personally don't think so..

... that doesn't mean these people aren't out there, does it?

.. I don't intend to make this a thread about wether or not the emu masses are all a bunch of 'twats', so back to the site itself:
<ul>
<li>if I recall correctly, the original psxemu design wasn't quite 'pleasing the masses'-only, in fact at that time we didn't think it really really sucked, and at least it was easy to navigate. Same goes for the 2nd PSXEmu design, I really liked it myself at that time, was even easier to navigate, but now I think it sucks. It's called 'lack of knowledge and time'

<li>as for ngemu.com itself, we don't just want to please the masses, but ourselves as well. If that makes us a bunch of twats, so be it, I don't care.</ul>

... "I expected better". Yay.

CD · November 4th, 2001

Bobbi: upon trying to quote your post, I must have clicked edit, because it royally ****ed things up..

Repost, if you can.

**Bobbi** · November 4th, 2001

Ai, not sure if I still get it together, lemme try ...

Phuzzi: First off, it'd be a good idea to watch your language.

Now ... what use would this board have, when we'd have all emulation experts sitting here ? Every questions answered by the first person. All threads having one reply ? I think what really makes a community worth while are discussions about not 100% obvious things, are questions, no matter if they can already be found somewhere else or not. You certainly can't say that the members here are highly qualified experts ... now in my opinion, you can't say that about me or you either ... the people which are highly qualified in this scene are the authors creating the emu, not me or you. But I think this board is really cool for people seeking for help or who just want to have a nice chat ... of course, there're also very, very stupid posts/people here, but I think the majority enjoys this board, and so do I.

I hope I didn't miss anything I said before

And BTW : I'm not the person really known to post "stupid bull**** about old arguments"

Phuzzi · November 4th, 2001

newbie != ****ing clueless twat

****ing clueless twat = newbie who doesn't want to learn, or someone who thinks they know, but doesn't.

I have time and patience for anyone who doesn't know, but wishes to find out something without being a cock about it.

CD · November 4th, 2001

Quote:

Originally posted by Bobbi
And BTW : I'm not the person really known to post "stupid bull**** about old arguments"

Really? Who brought it up in this thread then? Or, who ranted about it the other day, when he/she had no basis for the rant? (No names pls

)

**Thorgal** · November 4th, 2001

Quote:

Originally posted by Phuzzi
newbie != ****ing clueless twat

****ing clueless twat = newbie who doesn't want to learn, or someone who thinks they know, but doesn't.

I have time and patience for anyone who doesn't know, but wishes to find out something without being a cock about it.

Then don't reply to the ones who are a cock about it. There are people out there who may know less, but are willing to 'help' them even though you find it a waste of time because they are 'twats'.

Also, that doesn't dispose (or whatever the word is) my post either..

CD is also welcome to reply to my posts apart from replying to Bobbi, ofcourse...

**Bobbi** · November 4th, 2001

Quote:

Originally posted by CD

Really? Who brought it up in this thread then? Or, who ranted about it the other day, when he/she had no basis for the rant? (No names pls )

I really think I don't need to argue about that with the not named person here

Turining around stuff the way you need it is a nice thing though, ehh noName ?

And I'm off to bed now, I think this discussion is running in circles now - you didn't respond to the main points of the big posts Thorgal and me did, so we wouldn't get further from here on.

Phuzzi · November 4th, 2001

Quote:

Originally posted by Thorgal
Then don't reply to the ones who are a cock about it. There are people out there who may know less, but are willing to 'help' them even if you find it a waste of time because they are a 'twat'.

Generally i don't. But i do try and correct things that are said which are wrong, even if they seem lame. And anyway, everyone enjoys ripping it out of a lamer from time to time.

CD · November 4th, 2001

Erm, I'm not that interested in the people on this board, why should I reply to comments about them?

Your entire last post, littered with unintelligable remarks, kind of reminds me of a character from a television show:

'Screw you guys, I'm going home.'

G'night

**Bobbi** · November 4th, 2001

Quote:

Originally posted by CD
Erm, I'm not that interested in the people on this board, why should I reply to comments about them?

Your entire last post, littered with unintelligable remarks, kind of reminds me of a character from a television show:

'Screw you guys, I'm going home.'

G'night

You're the king

I think it's not in your power to rate things unintelligable though anyway ... but you kind of remind me of my little cousin who always thinks her opinion MUST be the best one, and who's picking out exactly what she likes and leaving alone the rest which doesn't really fit into her concept

... with the small difference that she's 8.

If this board, the members you don't care about etc. is to low for you ... how about leaving it and making your own one then (this had to be said at the end) ?

Phuzzi · November 4th, 2001

No-one can resist getting the last word in can they?

CD · November 4th, 2001

You took the bait, as expected. No need to reel you in though

As for your little cousin, maybe you take after her as well

And no, I won't be leaving this board, the comical value of it is worth it alone

Oh yes, before I go..

[Army of Darkness]
Hail to the king, baby.
[/Army of Darkness]

**Bgnome** · November 4th, 2001

ok guys, we all know what these boards are about.
as for ngemu.com, time will tell how that goes.
so i'll have the last word here..closed

**Thorgal** · November 4th, 2001

Sorry Bgnome, but I want to attempt to continue this thread in a fashionable way. Besides, I have a lot of unanswered questions and I can't stand it when that happens

... what do I need to post to make clear not only Bobbi posted, but I did as well? And, more importantly, why not just continue this as a debate rather than a flame thread? We all think we're intelligent enough to be able to reason, so why not make use of this.

Now, the thread is kind of a mess with unanswered statements (arguments), to name a few:

Quote:

Originally posted by Thorgal
"I expected better" ?

It's true, though. Not everyone has the intelligence, manipulation or charisma (just to name a few roleplaying-terms ) to convince/lead/please the masses. Otherwise, our history, with all its different empires/countries would look a lot different, thus affecting the world we're living in, and the whole economy, which has a key role in the world, would be quite different, to say the least

... although it may have been slightly off-topic, I didn't get a response to this.. might be interesting to see one, especially referring to the first line.

Anyway, our main question was wether or pleasing the emu masses is easy, and CD and Phuzzi compared it with the large amount of newbies/'twats' on Emuforums.com and other boards. My reply was:

Quote:

Originally posted by Thorgal
In short, most emu boards including Emuforums.com are full of newbie-posts; Phuzzi kinda already said it: "The average user on this board is a ****ing clueless twat.". Would it be strange to see not many well-thought posts by 'emulation experts' then? I personally don't think so..

... that doesn't mean these people aren't out there, does it?

.. I must say I haven't found a satisfactory reply to this in this thread; imho, it would be decent to do so.

Then we have this, in reply to a previous post by CD:

Quote:

Originally posted by Thorgal
.. I don't intend to make this a thread about wether or not the emu masses are all a bunch of 'twats', so back to the site itself:
<ul>
<li>if I recall correctly, the original psxemu design wasn't quite 'pleasing the masses'-only, in fact at that time we didn't think it really really sucked, and at least it was easy to navigate. Same goes for the 2nd PSXEmu design, I really liked it myself at that time, was even easier to navigate, but now I think it sucks. It's called 'lack of knowledge and time'
<li>as for ngemu.com itself, we don't just want to please the masses, but ourselves as well. If that makes us a bunch of twats, so be it, I don't care.</ul>

.. again, a reply would be appreciated.

Quote:

Originally posted by CD
You took the bait, as expected. No need to reel you in though

There are more people who have posted in this thread, imho it would simply be indecent to mention only Bobbi, and speaking of 'reeling in'...

CD · November 4th, 2001

If the first sentence were true, Bobbi wouldn't have lead such things like PSXEmu/NGEmu.

It is easy. You can bode them with a screenshot, ffs. You've taken my broad statement as an attack on NGEmu's 'hard work', which it was not.

Also, you keep comparing emulation masses to those of the world, after I narrowed down my statement..

You've also taken that 'emu masses' = message board users, in our opinion. This is untrue, it is just a small example. Any medium of communication could have been used..

Down to addressing specific things..

'Would it be strange to see not many well-thought posts by 'emulation experts' then? I personally don't think so.. '

Elaborate please, because I don't quite grasp what you're trying to say.

Re: Your opinion on the old design.

Of course you didn't think it was poor then, it's only in retrospect such things are realized. Back then, it was a relatively simple site, with basic help for people, and regular news. Pleasing to the masses, was it not?

Re: NGEmu

I know /you/ want to please yourself, I've had conversations with you about this. Others motivation seems quite different, at times. (No names pls).

Re: The end..

Hrm? I expected a reply, even when he stated he was off to bed. He took the bait. Simple as that. I haven't been singling Bobbi out because I 'dislike' him, or what have you, I've been doing so since my argument was with him, not you. Last I checked, you didn't produce help.ngemu.com.

****, the basis of all this was a comment the poor condition of help.ngemu.com. You have concured with me of it's poor quality in private, yet throughout this entire conversation, we've all ignored it.

Think about it..

Yes, reeled me in indeed.

**Thorgal** · November 5th, 2001

Ok, I just closed the thread, I'll re-open and reply tomorrow.. admins, please don't reopen before that, as I don't want to make this thread any more complicated than necessary..

**Bgnome** · November 5th, 2001

for your information, admins can still post to a closed thread

**Ryos** · November 5th, 2001

If you spend less time fighting and actually acknowledge your strengths and weaknesses, you would be able to overcome this petty argument and move on.

Why bother giving that advice, though? Everything's going to continue the way it has, with the public facade and the private reality.

Note that this is not directed at a specific person, as everyone is partially responsible for the problem.

November 5th, 2001

Anyways this is some old **** we are arguing about ... just becomes useless after awhile and very tiresome, I am not going to chose any sides in something like this ...

But the real reason I posted to this topic is because of the actual topic name. I am starting my plugin docs/tutorials for newbie users and I am just about finished with my Pete's OpenGL plugin doc. Look for many more to come in the very near future.

http://www.psxfanatics.com/modules.p...rticle&artid=1

Here is what I have so far ... just about done.

As for pleasing the masses ... isn't that what it is all about? Why would we make sites if it didn't please the masses. I agree there are a few things that could have been done better on NGEmu, but that can go for any site out there. It is not easy to satisfy everyone, the best you can hope for is that the majority of the user base enjoys it, and wants to come back. But anyways you guys have fun arguing out a pointless arguement that will go around in circles, I am going to spend my time for better things like have fun.

**Ryos** · November 5th, 2001

Wormie: http://www.psxfanatics.com/modules.p...rticle&artid=1 looks pretty good, other than the fact the article should be updated as necessary for 1.54.

November 4th, 2001	#21 (permalink)
Thorgal Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 323	CD: as a matter of fact I do, I check emuforums.com a couple of times a day, and occasionally check other boards as well. But what are we talking about here. <b>Message boards</b>. Boards where newbies can simply post their question(s) as they prefer that over doing research, fiddling with the emulator, etc. As annoying as the experienced users may find it, it's a natural fact that there are always people willing to help others, and these newbies are making full use of that (I won't go in-depth about wether it's more like 'abuse'). And even most of these people aren't 'emulation experts', they know what they need to know and try to help others with that knowledge. It's their life. In short, most emu boards including Emuforums.com are full of newbie-posts; Phuzzi kinda already said it: "The average user on this board is a ***ing clueless twat.". Would it be strange to see not many well-thought posts by 'emulation experts' then? I personally don't think so.. ... that doesn't mean these people aren't <b>out there</b>, does it? .. I don't intend to make this a thread about wether or not the emu masses are all a bunch of 'twats', so back to the site itself: <ul> <li>if I recall correctly, the original psxemu design wasn't quite 'pleasing the masses'-only, in fact at that time we didn't think it really really sucked, and at least it was easy to navigate. Same goes for the 2nd PSXEmu design, I really liked it myself at that time, was even easier to navigate, but now I think it sucks. It's called 'lack of knowledge and time' <li>as for ngemu.com itself, we don't just want to please the masses, but ourselves as well. If that makes us a bunch of twats, so be it, I don't care.</ul> ... "I expected better". Yay. __________________ - Thorgal // Design guru of NGEmu and Emuforums AthlonXP2200+, 768MB DDR333, Radeon 9700Pro, LG 915FT+, 130gb HD You think Emuforums looks a bit messy? Don't blame me! Last edited by Thorgal; November 4th, 2001 at 22:07.*

November 4th, 2001	#22 (permalink)
CD Gunslinger Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Mid-World Posts: 964	Bobbi: upon trying to quote your post, I must have clicked edit, because it royally ***ed things up.. Repost, if you can. __________________ The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed...*

November 4th, 2001	#23 (permalink)
Bobbi Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 2,026	Ai, not sure if I still get it together, lemme try ... Phuzzi: First off, it'd be a good idea to watch your language. Now ... what use would this board have, when we'd have all emulation experts sitting here ? Every questions answered by the first person. All threads having one reply ? I think what really makes a community worth while are discussions about not 100% obvious things, are questions, no matter if they can already be found somewhere else or not. You certainly can't say that the members here are highly qualified experts ... now in my opinion, you can't say that about me or you either ... the people which are highly qualified in this scene are the authors creating the emu, not me or you. But I think this board is really cool for people seeking for help or who just want to have a nice chat ... of course, there're also very, very stupid posts/people here, but I think the majority enjoys this board, and so do I. I hope I didn't miss anything I said before And BTW : I'm not the person really known to post "stupid bull** about old arguments" __________________ Specs:** AMD Athlon 64 4000+ • 2048 MB PC400 RAM • Nvidia GeForce 7600 GT PCI-E • WinXP Pro

November 4th, 2001	#29 (permalink)
CD Gunslinger Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Mid-World Posts: 964	Erm, I'm not that interested in the people on this board, why should I reply to comments about them? Your entire last post, littered with unintelligable remarks, kind of reminds me of a character from a television show: 'Screw you guys, I'm going home.' G'night __________________ The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed... Last edited by CD; November 4th, 2001 at 22:33.

November 4th, 2001	#32 (permalink)
CD Gunslinger Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Mid-World Posts: 964	You took the bait, as expected. No need to reel you in though As for your little cousin, maybe you take after her as well And no, I won't be leaving this board, the comical value of it is worth it alone Oh yes, before I go.. [Army of Darkness] Hail to the king, baby. [/Army of Darkness] __________________ The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed... Last edited by CD; November 4th, 2001 at 22:54.

November 4th, 2001	#24 (permalink)
Phuzzi Offending nations since '83 Join Date: May 2001 Location: England Posts: 265	newbie != **ing clueless twat **ing clueless twat = newbie who doesn't want to learn, or someone who thinks they know, but doesn't. I have time and patience for anyone who doesn't know, but wishes to find out something without being a cock about it.

November 4th, 2001	#31 (permalink)
Phuzzi Offending nations since '83 Join Date: May 2001 Location: England Posts: 265	No-one can resist getting the last word in can they?

November 4th, 2001	#33 (permalink)
Bgnome Who Da Gnome? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: At Home Posts: 2,441	ok guys, we all know what these boards are about. as for ngemu.com, time will tell how that goes. so i'll have the last word here..closed __________________ May the Gnome™ be With You

November 4th, 2001	#35 (permalink)
CD Gunslinger Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Mid-World Posts: 964	If the first sentence were true, Bobbi wouldn't have lead such things like PSXEmu/NGEmu. It is easy. You can bode them with a screenshot, ffs. You've taken my broad statement as an attack on NGEmu's 'hard work', which it was not. Also, you keep comparing emulation masses to those of the world, after I narrowed down my statement.. You've also taken that 'emu masses' = message board users, in our opinion. This is untrue, it is just a small example. Any medium of communication could have been used.. Down to addressing specific things.. 'Would it be strange to see not many well-thought posts by 'emulation experts' then? I personally don't think so.. ' Elaborate please, because I don't quite grasp what you're trying to say. Re: Your opinion on the old design. Of course you didn't think it was poor then, it's only in retrospect such things are realized. Back then, it was a relatively simple site, with basic help for people, and regular news. Pleasing to the masses, was it not? Re: NGEmu I know /you/ want to please yourself, I've had conversations with you about this. Others motivation seems quite different, at times. (No names pls). Re: The end.. Hrm? I expected a reply, even when he stated he was off to bed. He took the bait. Simple as that. I haven't been singling Bobbi out because I 'dislike' him, or what have you, I've been doing so since my argument was with him, not you. Last I checked, you didn't produce help.ngemu.com. ***, the basis of all this was a comment the poor condition of help.ngemu.com. You have concured with me of it's poor quality in private, yet throughout this entire conversation, we've all ignored it. Think about it.. Yes, reeled me in indeed. __________________ The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed...* Last edited by CD; November 5th, 2001 at 00:11.

November 5th, 2001	#36 (permalink)
Thorgal Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 323	Ok, I just closed the thread, I'll re-open and reply tomorrow.. admins, please don't reopen before that, as I don't want to make this thread any more complicated than necessary.. __________________ - Thorgal // Design guru of NGEmu and Emuforums AthlonXP2200+, 768MB DDR333, Radeon 9700Pro, LG 915FT+, 130gb HD You think Emuforums looks a bit messy? Don't blame me!

November 5th, 2001	#37 (permalink)
Bgnome Who Da Gnome? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: At Home Posts: 2,441	for your information, admins can still post to a closed thread __________________ May the Gnome™ be With You

November 5th, 2001	#38 (permalink)
Ryos Revenger of Vengeance Join Date: May 2001 Location: Nowhere Posts: 11,250	If you spend less time fighting and actually acknowledge your strengths and weaknesses, you would be able to overcome this petty argument and move on. Why bother giving that advice, though? Everything's going to continue the way it has, with the public facade and the private reality. Note that this is not directed at a specific person, as everyone is partially responsible for the problem. __________________ Sanity is overrated.

November 5th, 2001	#39 (permalink)
Keith Guest Posts: n/a	Anyways this is some old ** we are arguing about ... just becomes useless after awhile and very tiresome, I am not going to chose any sides in something like this ... But the real reason I posted to this topic is because of the actual topic name. I am starting my plugin docs/tutorials for newbie users and I am just about finished with my Pete's OpenGL plugin doc. Look for many more to come in the very near future. http://www.psxfanatics.com/modules.p...rticle&artid=1 Here is what I have so far ... just about done. As for pleasing the masses ... isn't that what it is all about? Why would we make sites if it didn't please the masses. I agree there are a few things that could have been done better on NGEmu, but that can go for any site out there. It is not easy to satisfy everyone, the best you can hope for is that the majority of the user base enjoys it, and wants to come back. But anyways you guys have fun arguing out a pointless arguement that will go around in circles, I am going to spend my time for better things like have fun**.

November 5th, 2001	#40 (permalink)
Ryos Revenger of Vengeance Join Date: May 2001 Location: Nowhere Posts: 11,250	Wormie: http://www.psxfanatics.com/modules.p...rticle&artid=1 looks pretty good, other than the fact the article should be updated as necessary for 1.54. __________________ Sanity is overrated.

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