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[Shadow_Cast]

http://www. ******* .com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7534
Just thought some of the mods and admins might want to read that

My thoughts on this are that it should be allowed to link to this site. I mean, they are a great community (Which is astounding, since most sites that have any sort of gaming content are made up of immature brats or young admins/mods who only enjoy flexing their power muscles on anyone who doesn't conform to their ideas.), and they're not completely about the illegal substance -- it's more like something that's there if you wan't it, and if you don't, fine. But I honestly do think that it's ridiculous that nobody links to them simply because of content that they are supposed to be against. And honestly, I think that most if not all people on this board have dabbled in illegal subject matter -- I mean, the very fact that we have Gameboy Advance emulation forums means that people have in fact downloaded roms for their personal use (Though there are the rare ones that do in fact own flash linkers and dump their own games, to which I applaud). I guess what I'm trying to say is that these people aren't that bad, and though there is some illegal subject matter on their site, it's just part of idle conversation. I honestly think that we should build a relationship between our communities. (But hey, that's just me. My guess is that by tommarow, a couple mods will have seen this post, edited the news link, and locked/deleted the topic. I still feel that this had to be said though.)

[_E_]

I am sorry, I have to remove their name from the URL at least.

I ll just put it straight and simple, Until they remove the roms links ( find them under gameshare link in the main site ) and roms hubs/support forums, we arent going to link to them. It goes against our policy. Its not about their community, or how nice those people are and whats not,..Its about the Iinks that said site has.

Yours,
-Elly

[Bill_gates]

After reading your post and what the admin at that site posted, I must say you both make good points. I agree with you guys on the issue of linking

Is there really any point of carrying on this self-righteous charade?
Im sure most of us at the forums download isos/roms anyway
(Or am i to believe that everyone on teh GBA forums owns a flash linker )

im really curious as to what some of the admins think of this....

[MrTeamWork]

I don't think your going to win this one manboy.

[_E_]

Originally Posted by manboy

After reading your post and what the admid at that site posted, I must say you both make good points. I agree with you guys on the issue of linking

Is there really any point of carrying on this self-righteous charade?
Im sure most of us at the forums download isos/roms anyway
(Or am i to believe that everyone on teh GBA forums owns a flash linker )

im really curious as to what some of the admins think of this....

like what I told you over irc, I seriously dont care if everyone downloaded warez, those discussions ARE NOT AND WILL NOT BE ALLOWEDhere

to put more clearly, the answer is a big fat NO!

Yours,
-Elly

[Shadow_Cast]

Originally Posted by Elly

I am sorry, I have to remove their name from the URL at least.

I ll just put it straight and simple, Until they remove the roms links ( find them under gameshare link in the main site ) and roms hubs/support forums, we arent going to link to them. It goes against our policy. Its not about their community, or how nice those people are and whats not,..Its about the Iinks that said site has.

Yours,
-Elly

I understand. I hope that this little barrier can be overcome in the future, but really, it's just a little sad that we can't come together for the simple reason that they run a DC++ hub, or that people ask for games. (Just thought I'd say that having less than 10 posts and posting in their request forum is frowned upon, and doesn't really happen.)

[Bill_gates]

Originally Posted by Elly

like what I told you over irc, I seriously dont care if everyone downloaded warez, those discussions ARE NOT AND WILL NOT BE ALLOWED here

to put more clearly, the answer is a big fat NO!

Yours,
-Elly

and i was just about to delete my post too...
found an error in my reasoning...

[Strider]

even if you own roms that should be your own personal business, we don't allow them (or discussion of them) because it is illegal and this site is all about doing things the legal way ;p

unless we change the rules and say that this sorta thing is allowed we expect everyone to follow the no illegal discussion clause

[dpence]

Originally Posted by Shadow_Cast

I understand. I hope that this little barrier can be overcome in the future, but really, it's just a little sad that we can't come together for the simple reason that they run a DC++ hub, or that people ask for games. (Just thought I'd say that having less than 10 posts and posting in their request forum is frowned upon, and doesn't really happen.)

It's no little barrier...The difference is between Ngemu Being a LEgal site, because they do not deal or associate with Roms, iso's, and warez. Versus a Site that openly Sides on the Illegal side. EVEN if you own the game it is strictly ilegal to DL it. You are ONLY entitled to make a backup of your OWN personal copy. You are not Allowed to have a backup of someone elses. Why people have trouble understanding that I do not know. Sites like that one will At best, get shut down, if not sued by the company's they are infringing upon.

[Shadow_Cast]

Originally Posted by dpence

It's no little barrier...The difference is between Ngemu Being a LEgal site, because they do not deal or associate with Roms, iso's, and warez. Versus a Site that openly Sides on the Illegal side. EVEN if you own the game it is strictly ilegal to DL it. You are ONLY entitled to make a backup of your OWN personal copy. You are not Allowed to have a backup of someone elses. Why people have trouble understanding that I do not know. Sites like that one will At best, get shut down, if not sued by the company's they are infringing upon.

I kinda wish that Elly hadn't edited the post so that you'd be better able to get an idea of what I'm saying (Nothing against you, Elly, you're only acting on your responsibilities as an admin), but I don't like that the comments you're making are generalized. To get one thing clear, they are NOT a warez site - sure, some of their content is, but for the most part, it's an emulation site. It's like if you go to a resturaunt that serves alcohol - it doesn't exactly make that establishment a bar, it just so happens that they serve alcohol. I don't think that I can stress enough that they are not just another warez site - they are a community, and a great one at that.

[n_w95482]

I think it's that NGEmu is doing everthing in its means to not have legal action taken against it and in posting links to a site like that would be pushing the envelope in terms of that goal. I think the admins think it's just too much of a risk to NGEmu to link to a site like that. Some sites (like that) have more lenient rules, apparently this one does not and I doubt they will change anytime soon, if at all.

Just my 2 cents .

[dpence]

Originally Posted by Shadow_Cast

I kinda wish that Elly hadn't edited the post so that you'd be better able to get an idea of what I'm saying (Nothing against you, you're only acting on your responsibilities as an admin), but I don't like that the comments you're making are generalized. To get one thing clear, they are NOT a warez site - sure, some of their content is, but for the most part, it's an emulation site. It's like if you go to a resturaunt that serves alcohol - it doesn't exactly make that establishment a bar, it just so happens that they serve alcohol. I don't think that I can stress enough that they are not just another warez site - they are a community, and a great one at that.

not an Admin :P

But more to the point..ANY site that tolerates Warez or worse, promotes it with links, is a warez site. You can't have it both ways...
You can't say I am against Warez and at the same time promote or even ALLOW it.
As to your analogy, it is not very good, as a BAR does not serve food. There is a distinction. You may drink alcohol with dinner, but you go to a bar strictly to drink.
Although the site may be well intended, It does not make warez any less illegal and it does not make the site any less a warez site than any other.

Shadow_Cast > It's nice that they have a great community. There are more sites with great communities.... if they really want us to link to them they'd have to remove the links to illegal material. Because you know, next thing we get links to that torrent file site, because that only contains files that link to illegal material too, and not the material itself. We would have a very warped forum policy which would be impossible to carry out normally.
Then there's that chankast utilities thing, and my doubts about it, but that's mainly personal reasons.

[Betamax]

Originally Posted by Shadow_Cast

It's like if you go to a resturaunt that serves alcohol - it doesn't exactly make that establishment a bar, it just so happens that they serve alcohol.

The point that you've missed in that analogy is that to serve any alcohol on a premises (be it a bar or a resturant) you are required by law to have a license. If you don't have a license, it doesn't matter if you are a bar or just a "resturant", your actions are against the law and your operation can be shut down.

Anyways, having read that post I have to say I find their logic flawed, and biased to their opinion.

The fact of the matter is, linking to illegal content is not prohibited, and never has been.

By it's very definition a hyperlink is a method of a reference from some point in one document to some point in another, or the same document or
another place. Well every warez site on the planet uses this: you click the link to dl the "warez".

Thus this point is the exact opposite to the truth. Every warez site that has ever been shutdown was done so for the simple matter that it did contain links to illegal material. Anyone who thinks otherwise is only trying to fool themselves.

[Player-X]

hypothetical: What if the site you post has a link to a site with another link to a site with roms?

[Cid Highwind]

Are you sure they would check that as well? I think that when they find out, the link will be removed. Though the risk will be less big.

Btw, I wonder how many ppl will now click the hyperlink here

[Betamax]

They can click it all they like, it doesn't go anywhere

[Shadow_Cast]

Just fixed it to make sure no mistakes are made...

[Shadow_Cast]

Just wondering...should I delete this topic now? The link was removed, and most referances to the site have been removed, so I really think there isn't much of a point of continuing it. I mean, no new people can join the discussion if they don't know what I'm talking about, and that's what keeps discussion boards lively and well - fresh points of view. Just wondering, since there isn't much of a point if it's only those who have seen what it is already argue about it.

[Kanodin]

Shadow, Yes ngemu has a Gameboy Advance emulation section, as well as other sections, but do you see them linking to roms or having a DC++ server, hell, they don't even allow Fservers on the IRC channel, they're trying to keep this community clean, they can't do anything about anyone downloading isos, roms or anything else but they can and will keep warez off of this site.

Ngemu has been warez free for as long as I can remember and I spent almost a year lurking before I decided to join up, every single warez / leaked bios / betas and other links I have found on this board have been edited out because this community doesn't want it, Even though ngemu doesn't have any kind of warez, they're possibly the biggest(??) Emulation site on the net. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.