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chillypacman · October 2nd, 2002

Well not exactly... don't know what i should look out for on the one hand I was dying to be a engineer on the other hand computer proggraming seemed like a better option seems like everything i like doing has something to do with computers. I was just thinking anyone got any good ideas of a career I should look out for?

**_E_** · October 2nd, 2002

I am an enginnering student myself,....why dont you be a "Computer Engineer" ?

chillypacman · October 3rd, 2002

Thats what i was aiming for from the start. But now I'm reconsidering it.

paulsy · October 3rd, 2002

what are the classes like Kingstar

i am also thinkin about being a computer engineer

**ammoQ** · October 3rd, 2002

Well I think if you are born to be a programmer, you should already know it. It´s something real programmers feel soon when they get in touch with programming. If you only want to do it because it´s well paid and sounds interesting, you are probably not born to be a programmer. You can still pursue this career, but it´s unlikely that you ever become better than average.

chillypacman · October 4th, 2002

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Originally posted by ammoQ
Well I think if you are born to be a programmer, you should already know it. It´s something real programmers feel soon when they get in touch with programming. If you only want to do it because it´s well paid and sounds interesting, you are probably not born to be a programmer. You can still pursue this career, but it´s unlikely that you ever become better than average.

I can program in visual basic visual c++ (not very well though) and might learn java pretty soon.

chillypacman · October 4th, 2002

Oh and Kingstar what are the classes like and what classes are you in?

And also ammoQ I was wondering what did you have to do to become a pro programmer

**ammoQ** · October 4th, 2002

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Originally posted by chillypacman
And also ammoQ I was wondering what did you have to do to become a pro programmer

Bought a ZX81 home computer when I was 12, several other home computers later; entered a school for "IT and Organisation" (in Austria, we have some kind of specialized high schools called HTL where they teach you common knowledge and technical stuff of some kind for 5 years; after that you can study at university or start working; the level of this school is comparable to a 2-year college).

paulsy · October 4th, 2002

what should i expect going into this ammoQ

Quatro · October 4th, 2002

well look at it this way, what do you most prefer... doing programming stuff and your never tired of those encoding stuff or are you more mathematically incline??? You should judge yourself on what aspect you excel at so theirs no regret. Choose wisely...

**ammoQ** · October 4th, 2002

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what should i expect going into this ammoQ

It depends on where you work. Lots of fun, Lots of work, sleepless nights, lazy days. In many companies, especially small ones, you may find unequalled freedom as long as you deliver your results. Read the "tao of programming" for more information (see sticky thread PHP, C++ tutorials).

KillerShots · October 4th, 2002

Being a "computer engineer" graduating this december, here's what that field offers:

1. Yes, you get to work with software
2. Yes, you get to work with hardware design
3. At least where I come from, most CE's totally disdain the software side and focus only on the hardware (not myself), so you may have trouble finding anyone with similar interests
4. Bear in mind the EE's also work with software and hardware, but have a deeper hardware knowledge (down to the quantum level where I'm at)
5. In college, unless you're in a CS (Computer Science) field, don't expect to learn how to work with graphics or even Windows apps unless you learn it on your own. I never did learn how to do a stupid windows application, and I'm working with OpenGL on my own. If your college offers it, you may be able to take something like that as an elective...mine didn't
6. To really excel in a CE field, don't ignore either the hardware or the software - they're of extreme importance to each other! Towards the end, you'll find yourself a total idiot if you ignored the software ("What's a comment?" comes to mind often), and if you ignored the hardware...well, you're screwed.

AtomicFeline · October 4th, 2002

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Originally posted by chillypacman
Thats what i was aiming for from the start. But now I'm reconsidering it.

That's right. Computer Programming is much better.

**_E_** · October 4th, 2002

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Originally posted by chillypacman
Oh and Kingstar what are the classes like and what classes are you in?

And also ammoQ I was wondering what did you have to do to become a pro programmer

I am still in first year engineering. We take classes like Chemistry,Physics, Enginneering,Calculus and a writing course ( optional) . Next year, i ll go into more specific ( depends on the kind of career i choose) and in your case, you ll study physics ,Enginnering, Computer stuff. Basically, as a computer enginner ( or any kind of engineer) you ll have to be able to design and create new hardware/software

chillypacman · October 5th, 2002

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Originally posted by Kingstar

I am still in first year engineering. We take classes like Chemistry,Physics, Enginneering,Calculus and a writing course ( optional) . Next year, i ll go into more specific ( depends on the kind of career i choose) and in your case, you ll study physics ,Enginnering, Computer stuff. Basically, as a computer enginner ( or any kind of engineer) you ll have to be able to design and create new hardware/software

You telling me they ACTUALLY DO CHEMICAL study in engineering wow you sure? Are you do Chemical engineering or Computer engineering coz if the classes are like that I would be expecting to get at least 20k a year on my first day of work

chillypacman · October 5th, 2002

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Originally posted by AtomicFeline

That's right. Computer Programming is much better.

How would you know atomicfeline are you an engineer and proggramer?

**Shiori** · October 5th, 2002

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Originally posted by ammoQ
Well I think if you are born to be a programmer, you should already know it. It´s something real programmers feel soon when they get in touch with programming. If you only want to do it because it´s well paid and sounds interesting, you are probably not born to be a programmer. You can still pursue this career, but it´s unlikely that you ever become better than average.

Damn, that's a real downer there. I'm into it because of the second reason.

chillypacman · October 5th, 2002

No need to cry over spilt milk! You just need to cry over a keyboard in this case.

KillerShots · October 5th, 2002

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Originally posted by chillypacman

You telling me they ACTUALLY DO CHEMICAL study in engineering wow you sure? Are you do Chemical engineering or Computer engineering coz if the classes are like that I would be expecting to get at least 20k a year on my first day of work

Yes - to an extent. You need to not only be able to work with chemicals, but chemicals at the microscopic level. Right now, I'm taking a class called "digital electronics," which deals with how to make VLSI (very large scale integrations) using nothing but FETs (Field effect transistors). For example, take your standard silicon, dope it up with gallium arsenide, and you get an nFET (I think

). I'm still a bit fuzzy on it, but it's still new to me

. Now think of doing that about ten thousand times - you then have a basic chip (not even something as complicated as a 2x86). Of course, there are tools to help, so you don't have to worry about every single gate on the chip...but it's still quite a bit to worry about.

Beyond that, you have to know relativity (E=MC^2), only basic chemistry, LOTS of physics, LOTS and LOTS of math (calculus I, II, III, differential equations, statics, probability, discrete mathematics, and fuzzy math (j/k)

)

Oh, and the starting pay as I've seen it is actually around $40k a year USD

chillypacman · October 5th, 2002

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Originally posted by KillerShots

Yes - to an extent. You need to not only be able to work with chemicals, but chemicals at the microscopic level. Right now, I'm taking a class called "digital electronics," which deals with how to make VLSI (very large scale integrations) using nothing but FETs (Field effect transistors). For example, take your standard silicon, dope it up with gallium arsenide, and you get an nFET (I think ). I'm still a bit fuzzy on it, but it's still new to me . Now think of doing that about ten thousand times - you then have a basic chip (not even something as complicated as a 2x86). Of course, there are tools to help, so you don't have to worry about every single gate on the chip...but it's still quite a bit to worry about.

Beyond that, you have to know relativity (E=MC^2), only basic chemistry, LOTS of physics, LOTS and LOTS of math (calculus I, II, III, differential equations, statics, probability, discrete mathematics, and fuzzy math (j/k) )

Oh, and the starting pay as I've seen it is actually around $40k a year USD

Wow talk about getting paid alot! Maybe that would be the best way to go I always wanted to understand this E=MC 2 thingy

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chillypacman Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Australia - Perth Posts: 1,057	My career starts here Well not exactly... don't know what i should look out for on the one hand I was dying to be a engineer on the other hand computer proggraming seemed like a better option seems like everything i like doing has something to do with computers. I was just thinking anyone got any good ideas of a career I should look out for?

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KillerShots War Games coder Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,918	Being a "computer engineer" graduating this december, here's what that field offers: 1. Yes, you get to work with software 2. Yes, you get to work with hardware design 3. At least where I come from, most CE's totally disdain the software side and focus only on the hardware (not myself), so you may have trouble finding anyone with similar interests 4. Bear in mind the EE's also work with software and hardware, but have a deeper hardware knowledge (down to the quantum level where I'm at) 5. In college, unless you're in a CS (Computer Science) field, don't expect to learn how to work with graphics or even Windows apps unless you learn it on your own. I never did learn how to do a stupid windows application, and I'm working with OpenGL on my own. If your college offers it, you may be able to take something like that as an elective...mine didn't 6. To really excel in a CE field, don't ignore either the hardware or the software - they're of extreme importance to each other! Towards the end, you'll find yourself a total idiot if you ignored the software ("What's a comment?" comes to mind often), and if you ignored the hardware...well, you're screwed. __________________ Primary CPU: Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Mobo: Biostar N4SLI-A9 RAM: 2G Crucial (DDR400) Video: eVGA GeForce 7900 GTX (512M) Audio: HDA X-Mystique HD(s): Maxtor 300G SATA2, Samsung 400G SATA2 OS(s): WinXP x64 Pro, Vista x32 Ultimate, Gentoo x64 Monitor(s): Primary - 19" Flat Panel (1280x1024) Secondary - 19" Flat Panel (1280x1024) Tertiary - Zenith 42" Plasma TV (1024x768 res) Many other machines... sig too short

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