Whats the best language to learn for a beginer?

zidine00 · January 10th, 2009

I was wondering what would be the easiest language in your oppinion to learn (apart from basic) for a person that has very little programing experiance (SQL).

**Hard core Rikki** · January 10th, 2009

VisualBasic, followed by C# (both are very appropriate for GUIs too, and agile development).

Contrary to what the more veteran claim, VB is not something shameful to use or reserved to unintelligent/noob coders.

To each language their merits, at the core. Given a certain mastery level, just see if you prefer portability, ease, or longterm code survivability.

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**cooliscool** · January 10th, 2009

I learned C++, then C#/VB.NET. I'm more inclined to say learn C++ (not C, it's not OOP) before learning, for example, VB.NET. Reason being is that if you learn VB first, you're likely to become too accustomed to how (very) liberal it is in comparison to low level C/C++.

Knowing C++ and .NET languages, I much prefer .NET for general app development thanks to ease of interface development (so much less needs to be hand written), of course, that's not taking into account using the .NET framework in your C++ app, which is a little stupid anyway because it eliminates the possibility of portability. One thing I can say though, always use Microsoft's IDEs if devving on Windows. Haven't found an IDE for any language that comes close to Microsoft's.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · January 10th, 2009

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Originally Posted by Hard core Rikki

VisualBasic, followed by C# (both are very appropriate for GUIs too, and agile development).

Contrary to what the more veteran claim, VB is not something shameful to use or reserved to unintelligent/noob coders.

To each language their merits, at the core. Given a certain mastery level, just see if you prefer portability, ease, or longterm code survivability.

Fully agreed.

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zidine00 · January 11th, 2009

thanks for the advice, ive always had reservations about learning visual basic but since you are recomending it i might as well give it a try.

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · January 11th, 2009

Well once you understand the logic behind one language the others become simpler with you only really still having to learn the new syntax and then some of the more advanced stuff. If you just straight started on C++ you would be faced with greek and that's no fun and may dishearten you, if however you have another language or two under you belt you already have an idea sort of how the code is meant to function for various things, all that's left then is to sort out the syntax differences.
Basically starting to learn C++ or another complicated language would be like starting to learn maths on Algebra...(ok I suppose it's a little easier than that). It's far easier to learn Algebra if you can already add, subtract, multiply and divide.

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SaiKai · January 12th, 2009

I can really recommend you delphi. even with its somwhat stubborn framework it is very easy to learn and will give you a insight in things to come. and btw old versions of delphi are free. i had to learn delphi in shool classes( we started with modula2 -.-) and im still programming in my freetime...

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**cottonvibes** · January 13th, 2009

i recommend you start with Visual Basic, then move on to Java/C#, then finally C++.

some people say Visual Basic teaches bad programming practices and spoils you, but its not true.
its usually said by elitist coders that think they're better by coding in harder languages.
once you're more experienced you can move on to more difficult languages and learn the more advanced programming concepts.

starting out with C++ is like getting punched in the face

you're likely to get annoyed and quit learning if you start out with C++.
and unless you're doing some performance critical application like a next gen emu (which a beginner will probably not be coding), then simpler languages are perfectly fine.

when you start out programming, it should be a fun experience to show you the fun in coding. Visual basic offers that with its simplicity, while learning C++ first you'll be stuck making console "hello world" apps for quite a while. (in other words, its boring!

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · January 13th, 2009

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I can really recommend you delphi. even with its somwhat stubborn framework it is very easy to learn and will give you a insight in things to come. and btw old versions of delphi are free. i had to learn delphi in shool classes( we started with modula2 -.-) and im still programming in my freetime...

Not sure that I would recommend it, but I will agree that although it's slightly more complicated than VB it still offers a possible and a decent start for beginners.

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runawayprisoner · January 13th, 2009

You can literally make viruses with VB (simple ones), so who the heck said it wasn't "useful"?

But that aside, like others have suggested, it's not a bad starting point. It works well enough for a beginner, and once you've gotten the basics down, you can start moving on to another language for a platform that you think will work out best for you.

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Fadingz · January 13th, 2009

VB -> C#/J# -> C++ -> M$ C++(optional; however, it's needed for XBox game programing, or M$ DirectX)
.net is pretty something nice to stick with if you are doing stuff on windows.

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gamersat678 · January 16th, 2009

If your into gaming languages stick with c++. If you want a desktop application learn visual basic (god i loved 6, let's no go there with .net). I've personally learned visual basic 6 and enjoyed learning the language. I've moved on to Realbasic, the should of been Visual basic 7. Not to much documentation out there but more is being produced daily. It's also a cross platform language (mac,linux,windows). I just love it.

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You can literally make viruses with VB (simple ones), so who the heck said it wasn't "useful"?"

you can make stuff a lot more complex than that. But why would you want to do that in the first place. We are all good and righteous people right? Right????????

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Mr. Duck Sauce · January 16th, 2009

What about Python, I am hearing great news on that from friend's about using it.

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DarkSamus · January 16th, 2009

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i think thatg enlish is the ezist 2 leard. it was ez 4 me.

They are talking about programming languages

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · January 16th, 2009

Talking about languages, any chance you could lay off the chatspeak Skirty?

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Proto · January 16th, 2009

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They are talking about programming languages

Structured english and natural language programming is quite an interesting ongoing research in the computer science grammar area though.

Anyway I give props to Phyton.

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Squall-Leonhart · January 16th, 2009

Binary was easy for me.... lol i passed it atleast.... can't remember any of it now...

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Fadingz · January 16th, 2009

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i think thatg enlish is the ezist 2 leard. it was ez 4 me.

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Squall-Leonhart · January 16th, 2009

that book cover has a typo!!!
Engrish > English.

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Fadingz · January 16th, 2009

Indeed, Squall, indeed.

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cooliscool Global Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: South Carolina, USA Posts: 6,824	I learned C++, then C#/VB.NET. I'm more inclined to say learn C++ (not C, it's not OOP) before learning, for example, VB.NET. Reason being is that if you learn VB first, you're likely to become too accustomed to how (very) liberal it is in comparison to low level C/C++. Knowing C++ and .NET languages, I much prefer .NET for general app development thanks to ease of interface development (so much less needs to be hand written), of course, that's not taking into account using the .NET framework in your C++ app, which is a little stupid anyway because it eliminates the possibility of portability. One thing I can say though, always use Microsoft's IDEs if devving on Windows. Haven't found an IDE for any language that comes close to Microsoft's. __________________ Bottles' Glasses - Banjo Kazooie/Tooie model viewer and ripper

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zidine00 Resident Baka Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: No where Now here Posts: 871	thanks for the advice, ive always had reservations about learning visual basic but since you are recomending it i might as well give it a try.

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SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Corrupt Rapist run South Africa Posts: 11,327	Well once you understand the logic behind one language the others become simpler with you only really still having to learn the new syntax and then some of the more advanced stuff. If you just straight started on C++ you would be faced with greek and that's no fun and may dishearten you, if however you have another language or two under you belt you already have an idea sort of how the code is meant to function for various things, all that's left then is to sort out the syntax differences. Basically starting to learn C++ or another complicated language would be like starting to learn maths on Algebra...(ok I suppose it's a little easier than that). It's far easier to learn Algebra if you can already add, subtract, multiply and divide. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!! Last edited by SCHUMI_4EVER; January 11th, 2009 at 01:31..

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SaiKai Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: blub Posts: 23	I can really recommend you delphi. even with its somwhat stubborn framework it is very easy to learn and will give you a insight in things to come. and btw old versions of delphi are free. i had to learn delphi in shool classes( we started with modula2 -.-) and im still programming in my freetime... __________________

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runawayprisoner Mobile Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 6,206	You can literally make viruses with VB (simple ones), so who the heck said it wasn't "useful"? But that aside, like others have suggested, it's not a bad starting point. It works well enough for a beginner, and once you've gotten the basics down, you can start moving on to another language for a platform that you think will work out best for you. __________________ cChip interpreter WIP - current status: Release Candidate LRx Filter RC - current performance rating: 9/10

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SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Corrupt Rapist run South Africa Posts: 11,327	Talking about languages, any chance you could lay off the chatspeak Skirty? __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

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Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,851	that book cover has a typo!!! Engrish > English. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.