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**cooliscool** · January 16th, 2009

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Originally Posted by Skirty

i think thatg enlish is the ezist 2 leard. it was ez 4 me.

You're ****ing RETARDED.

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SaiKai · January 16th, 2009

Indeed, cooliscool, indeed. :P

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zidine00 · January 16th, 2009

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Originally Posted by Fadingz

I suggest

for you...

I know im taking this far to seriously, but why is that book already in english if its english for dummies how are they supposted to understand the book?

anyway when you say VB do you mean the new VB2008 syntax or the older one?

koko-goal · January 16th, 2009

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Originally Posted by zidine00

I was wondering what would be the easiest language in your oppinion to learn (apart from basic) for a person that has very little programing experiance (SQL).

if you want to learn Programing You have to start with Visual basic,especially VB5,if you learned this version you'll understand the late versions of course,after that get into C++.

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i think thatg enlish is the ezist 2 leard. it was ez 4 me.

TheCloudOfSmoke · January 16th, 2009

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Originally Posted by Skirty

i think thatg enlish is the ezist 2 leard. it was ez 4 me.

Apparently not.

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Originally Posted by Fadingz

I suggest

for you...

OWNED

That was funny on so many levels.

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If I support the game company, then I won't won't be supporting the blank DVD business.

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**cottonvibes** · January 17th, 2009

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Originally Posted by zidine00

anyway when you say VB do you mean the new VB2008 syntax or the older one?

well i started with VB6.
i've heard VB .net and later are crap, but i'm not completely sure why they're crap as i haven't used them myself.

if you don't want to use the old-VB6 or VB.net, then maybe try Realbasic like gamersat678 said.

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spike01 · January 17th, 2009

really I stared From C++ (turbo) and then went to VB also Html to java but i think VB was either brand new of not out yet when I started oh well

S.T.A.R.S. · January 19th, 2009

LoL the easiest language and also not bad at all is deffinetely Microsoft Visual Studio Visual Basic 2005 or 2008 or even 2010 which will come out during this year

I developed the Camera Live Viewer in Visual Basic 2005 and it works pretty good.But to be honest I started with Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 C#(C-Sharp) and I am using it even today.It's better then VB,but if you want something easier and faster to learn then start with VB and later you can start with C#,J# or C++ or even C which is so irritating and hard that you will shoot yourself in the leg lol.You need a LOT of studying for C

Anyway I recommend you C#,but if you are lazy then take Visual Basic.Or you can wait until Visual Studio 2010 is released with it's beautiful .NET framework 4.0

Note that if you have weak computer,then take Visual Studio 2002 or 2003.Visual Studio 2005 should work good too if you put some of the performances on the minimum.

Oh by the way...does anyone know will Visual Studio 2010 be able to run under Microsoft Windows XP? I haven't read the news yet...

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**@ruantec** · January 19th, 2009

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Originally Posted by cottonvibes

well i started with VB6.
i've heard VB .net and later are crap, but i'm not completely sure why they're crap as i haven't used them myself.

if you don't want to use the old-VB6 or VB.net, then maybe try Realbasic like gamersat678 said.

actually is quite the opposite... VB.net seems to be alot more advanced and it doesn´t have previous VB limits plus is a great tool for all those VB syntax lovers.. eventhough i think VB6 is a great tool for everyone that wants to create fast and nice apps in a very short time... and yeah i like VB6 too

......taking in mind i was a VB hater myself before i had to learn it for my ex-job

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**shadow_tj** · January 21st, 2009

to start programming. you have to learn the basics.

First of all you need to learn what is possible with programming languages.
Most people are advicing VB6 or Delphi 6 as a starting module.

This is a very easy way to learn programming... only huge problem is the basics are mostly not told in the books you find on the internet or in the local book shop.

My advice is start with simple Pascal 6.0
Its stupid.. i know but then you will will learn what variables are.. whan strings and integers are... how arrays can be used very simple in dos console programms.

When yah done that then yah can jump over to VB or Delphi.
Delphi is fun.. and if yah already know pascal.. then yah would have no problems there.

VB is also nice. if you wanne get exam papers like Microsoft certified programmer.
then yah need to pick Visual Basic... after visual basic yah can pick c++ and .net for your exam papers.

But if yah realy wanne learn programming... try to start with the basics.... thats also how its done at schools and training courses.
Remember.. training courses are not cheap... but it can be a real good help to learn programming.

Good luck, and have fun with programming

Shadow_tj

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · January 21st, 2009

I also started with Turbo Pascal...but I quit cuz the teacher gave me the manual when I asked how to insert a bmp pic into my program....
Then I learned a bit of VB by myself...I still know very little though as I keep on having to do something else and abandon it, but I must admit that the syntax for Pascal really helps unsderstand the others and VB is a piece of cake when compared to it.

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zidine00 · January 22nd, 2009

Do you know if it is possible to use Pascal on Linux or will I have to use windows again. Or are there any alternatives for Linux.

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**shadow_tj** · January 22nd, 2009

if you want to program windows and lunix at same time then you need to istall lazerus.
its simular to delphi.

Delphi had Kylix compilers. last version is kylix 3.0 but that is not supported annymore

Monalisaparker · January 30th, 2009

I think for a beginner C is a good language to learn , so one can start with it

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Itachifan727 · February 1st, 2009

I am starting with this. (Game Maker) It got me interested in programming. I know it's not even really a programming language but its pretty simple and easy to use until you feel you're ready to move onto something like C or C++. (Which is what I might do later on.)

unknown_gamer · February 1st, 2009

Game maker is really basic, if you are a starter its kind of good to start, but making codes, not drag and drop.

What I suggest is learning c/c++ as for console, because GUI is too hard, atleast if you arent using Visual c++.

then after getting the MODULAR PROGRAMMING style from c/c++ start studying Object Orriented Programming with java, its alike with c/c++

then go whereever you want.

I personally dont like visual basic... its mostly drag and drop and now with framework its so easy they make programmers lazy instead of making them learn.

cheers.

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · February 5th, 2009

The thing is though, by simply dragging and dropping you can easily see the code behind it and learn from it, for instance dragging a button shows the code to create a button which I find really nifty at least for those people willing to learn how to code buttons rather than just be lazy. It's like an instant tutorial.

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unknown_gamer · February 6th, 2009

Dragging and droping isn't as good as you think, each one has a way of coding, and I dont like how the automatic drag and drop system geenrates the code, I prefer doing the button from what I know so that way the program is really mine, although what matters is the algorithm of the program, in my own opinion dragging and dropping kills the soul of a programmer cuz it isnt programming what you are doing.

and as I said, the generated code isnt as optimize as it will be if you were doing it yourself, or maybe you wouldnt be confortable with that code cuz it isnt yours, atleast i prefer doing it, anyone can prefer not to, im not against anyone

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · February 7th, 2009

Obviously personal code is better, but beginners don't have enough knowledge for personal code yet.

For them it's great to be able to drop a button on say the top-left of the form and look at the code that was created. They instantly see what code is used to create a button (and seeing it on screen in the actual program is in my opion perferable to in a book), then they could even observe how the code changes if for instance they drop another button in the top-right or they try and add text or whatever. It's like an interactive tutorial. A dangerous tutorial because it's very easy to become lazy, but for those that have the willpower not to fall back onto simple dragging and dropping it provide a whole host of information both that can be seen and that can be deduced.
For instance if the value for the button on top-left reads -100 and the value for the button on the top-right shows 100 then they could guess that that's how position is assigned and that a button dropped exactly into the middle should have a value of 0 and then instantly test that theory.
I at least would find and interactive tutorial like that far more productive than having to read 4 pages about positional values in a book and then having to type out two examples character for character line for line at the end of it.

Sure the potential for lazyness and sloppy coding is great, but just as great is the potential for a great learning medium.

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S.T.A.R.S. · February 8th, 2009

You can try C# 2005.It's pretty good programming language in which you can make powerfull applications.I started in C# 2003 and it's a bit harder then 2005 because you need to write more code to enable the menu box when writing the code,but it's pretty good one too.2005 is easier in any case.Most of the code is the same plus is has much new features because 2005 is using .NET framework 2.0 and 2003 uses .NET framework 1.1

Hey I have Visual Studio 2002,but I never really tryed it lol.Can anyone tell me is it worth of trying?

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S.T.A.R.S. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Planet Earth... Posts: 593	C# 2005 You can try C# 2005.It's pretty good programming language in which you can make powerfull applications.I started in C# 2003 and it's a bit harder then 2005 because you need to write more code to enable the menu box when writing the code,but it's pretty good one too.2005 is easier in any case.Most of the code is the same plus is has much new features because 2005 is using .NET framework 2.0 and 2003 uses .NET framework 1.1 Hey I have Visual Studio 2002,but I never really tryed it lol.Can anyone tell me is it worth of trying? __________________ GOODBYE FOREVER EVERYONE...

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January 16th, 2009	#22 (permalink)
SaiKai Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: blub Posts: 23	Indeed, cooliscool, indeed. :P __________________

January 17th, 2009	#27 (permalink)
spike01 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Usa/Texas Posts: 58	really I stared From C++ (turbo) and then went to VB also Html to java but i think VB was either brand new of not out yet when I started oh well

January 19th, 2009	#28 (permalink)
S.T.A.R.S. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Planet Earth... Posts: 593	LoL the easiest language and also not bad at all is deffinetely Microsoft Visual Studio Visual Basic 2005 or 2008 or even 2010 which will come out during this year I developed the Camera Live Viewer in Visual Basic 2005 and it works pretty good.But to be honest I started with Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 C#(C-Sharp) and I am using it even today.It's better then VB,but if you want something easier and faster to learn then start with VB and later you can start with C#,J# or C++ or even C which is so irritating and hard that you will shoot yourself in the leg lol.You need a LOT of studying for C Anyway I recommend you C#,but if you are lazy then take Visual Basic.Or you can wait until Visual Studio 2010 is released with it's beautiful .NET framework 4.0 Note that if you have weak computer,then take Visual Studio 2002 or 2003.Visual Studio 2005 should work good too if you put some of the performances on the minimum. Oh by the way...does anyone know will Visual Studio 2010 be able to run under Microsoft Windows XP? I haven't read the news yet... __________________ GOODBYE FOREVER EVERYONE...

January 21st, 2009	#30 (permalink)
shadow_tj Emu author Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 656	to start programming. you have to learn the basics. First of all you need to learn what is possible with programming languages. Most people are advicing VB6 or Delphi 6 as a starting module. This is a very easy way to learn programming... only huge problem is the basics are mostly not told in the books you find on the internet or in the local book shop. My advice is start with simple Pascal 6.0 Its stupid.. i know but then you will will learn what variables are.. whan strings and integers are... how arrays can be used very simple in dos console programms. When yah done that then yah can jump over to VB or Delphi. Delphi is fun.. and if yah already know pascal.. then yah would have no problems there. VB is also nice. if you wanne get exam papers like Microsoft certified programmer. then yah need to pick Visual Basic... after visual basic yah can pick c++ and .net for your exam papers. But if yah realy wanne learn programming... try to start with the basics.... thats also how its done at schools and training courses. Remember.. training courses are not cheap... but it can be a real good help to learn programming. Good luck, and have fun with programming Shadow_tj

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SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Corrupt Rapist run South Africa Posts: 11,333	I also started with Turbo Pascal...but I quit cuz the teacher gave me the manual when I asked how to insert a bmp pic into my program.... Then I learned a bit of VB by myself...I still know very little though as I keep on having to do something else and abandon it, but I must admit that the syntax for Pascal really helps unsderstand the others and VB is a piece of cake when compared to it. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

January 22nd, 2009	#33 (permalink)
shadow_tj Emu author Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 656	if you want to program windows and lunix at same time then you need to istall lazerus. its simular to delphi. Delphi had Kylix compilers. last version is kylix 3.0 but that is not supported annymore

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Monalisaparker Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Posts: 16	I think for a beginner C is a good language to learn , so one can start with it __________________ Baby Monitors

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Itachifan727 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Europe Posts: 5	I am starting with this. (Game Maker) It got me interested in programming. I know it's not even really a programming language but its pretty simple and easy to use until you feel you're ready to move onto something like C or C++. (Which is what I might do later on.)

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unknown_gamer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 16	Game maker is really basic, if you are a starter its kind of good to start, but making codes, not drag and drop. What I suggest is learning c/c++ as for console, because GUI is too hard, atleast if you arent using Visual c++. then after getting the MODULAR PROGRAMMING style from c/c++ start studying Object Orriented Programming with java, its alike with c/c++ then go whereever you want. I personally dont like visual basic... its mostly drag and drop and now with framework its so easy they make programmers lazy instead of making them learn. cheers.

February 5th, 2009	#37 (permalink)
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Corrupt Rapist run South Africa Posts: 11,333	The thing is though, by simply dragging and dropping you can easily see the code behind it and learn from it, for instance dragging a button shows the code to create a button which I find really nifty at least for those people willing to learn how to code buttons rather than just be lazy. It's like an instant tutorial. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

February 6th, 2009	#38 (permalink)
unknown_gamer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 16	Dragging and droping isn't as good as you think, each one has a way of coding, and I dont like how the automatic drag and drop system geenrates the code, I prefer doing the button from what I know so that way the program is really mine, although what matters is the algorithm of the program, in my own opinion dragging and dropping kills the soul of a programmer cuz it isnt programming what you are doing. and as I said, the generated code isnt as optimize as it will be if you were doing it yourself, or maybe you wouldnt be confortable with that code cuz it isnt yours, atleast i prefer doing it, anyone can prefer not to, im not against anyone

February 7th, 2009	#39 (permalink)
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Corrupt Rapist run South Africa Posts: 11,333	Obviously personal code is better, but beginners don't have enough knowledge for personal code yet. For them it's great to be able to drop a button on say the top-left of the form and look at the code that was created. They instantly see what code is used to create a button (and seeing it on screen in the actual program is in my opion perferable to in a book), then they could even observe how the code changes if for instance they drop another button in the top-right or they try and add text or whatever. It's like an interactive tutorial. A dangerous tutorial because it's very easy to become lazy, but for those that have the willpower not to fall back onto simple dragging and dropping it provide a whole host of information both that can be seen and that can be deduced. For instance if the value for the button on top-left reads -100 and the value for the button on the top-right shows 100 then they could guess that that's how position is assigned and that a button dropped exactly into the middle should have a value of 0 and then instantly test that theory. I at least would find and interactive tutorial like that far more productive than having to read 4 pages about positional values in a book and then having to type out two examples character for character line for line at the end of it. Sure the potential for lazyness and sloppy coding is great, but just as great is the potential for a great learning medium. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!