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Old January 25th, 2007   #61 (permalink)
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What Vista has that noone uses:
an OS...
everyone uses the games you can install on it, not the OS. Noone ever uses windows, only IE/Firefox/games/paint.
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Old January 25th, 2007   #63 (permalink)
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What Vista has that noone uses:
an OS...
everyone uses the games you can install on it, not the OS. Noone ever uses windows, only IE/Firefox/games/paint.
The whole point of an OS is just to provide a platform to run applications on, as smoothly as possible. The OS runs itself really.
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Old January 25th, 2007   #64 (permalink)
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What Vista has that noone uses:
an OS...
everyone uses the games you can install on it, not the OS. Noone ever uses windows, only IE/Firefox/games/paint.
Good point. However I have been using Vista for over a year now and I appreciate it's highly configurable User accounts, remote accessabilities and superior network handling. The way it handles networking is on par with linux. More closer to Linux than any windows in the past... It is a highly more secure OS. Like any OS, it's as secure as it's owner. Close the ports you don't use, and monitor the ones you do. Vista makes that easier. I can appreciate the fact that the GUI is nicer looking because lets's face it as windows users we have been drooling over Xwindows, Gimp and Mac OS Gui's for a few years and now we have an OS that actually functions.. Let me also say that it is way more stable than 2000 and XP. Combined. With a skilled user who keeps his OS up to date with protections from the latest exploits. Microsoft is actually pretty good about that. Remember how easy it was back in the day to compile pepsi.c or winnuke.c and bomb someones windows box to a blue screen? Now a days it takes a lot more effort.. so hackers are doing things in different ways. Exploiting software that is used on the OS instead of the OS itself. Kinda like the sendmail and apache backdoors for linux from back in the day. I also have used office 2007 for about 6 months.. i really like it. As an author i kinda prefer it to open office.. now. The other office series products were not as great as open office.. but now, office 2007 really impresses me. I am not really Pro- Microsoft.. hell I am not realy pro anything if you looked at my computer .. ahhaha I mean, hell i run OSx86! What i am getting at is that this OS should be tried.. give it the benefit of the doubt... Bill Gates has paid attention to why Linux and any *ix has been so successful.. aside from making windows an open source product - Vista reaches every other point it aims for. Sure it consumes more memory and processes... but thats why we are all going to get dual-quad or whatever the hell core we want... also because we all want to emulate a ps2 righttt? And that we want to buy an 8800gt when the price drops.. While the PS3 is in it's second year directX10 cards will flood the market from every maker imaginable and I think we all will want to ride that bandwagon. Hell, 20 inch widescreens at walmart are only 200 bucks! Our systems will make these console kids drrroooooll.. This is always how it works. The kids with systems have the upper hand for a few months.. Then computer technology doubles as per the golden rule of technology.. Then it's payback.. Vista and it's api shall throw a wrench in their systems gears of war. Wait till *****in Halo 3 comes out on Vista.. or even Halo 2 in a few months! Unreal 2007? Hellgate? These games will be _Powerfull_ on our computers.. Even a mediocre computer with a decent graphics card can produce better quality graphics than an XBOX 360 _ever_ can. Want proof? here: Prey: PC Versus Xbox 360 - Features at GameSpot
That is a link comparing a 1,000$ PC against an Xbox360. Well i wouldn't say
a grand .. maybe a few hundred bucks. The graphics _outshine_ the XBOX!
Everyone quit debating on whether this is going to be a good OS. This is
ultimatly going to be a Great OS. I doubt any of us will be using
XP for more than a year or two from now. Buy a new computer and you automatically are qualified for a free Vista upgrade. One other thing I shall give props to ole micro$oft is the tech support.. you can have someone log onto your desktop to help you.. Just hide the keygens.. LoL. You know what i mean. So don't knock it till youve tried it.. Vista flies on my computer ( look at my specs) There is only a 5% slower rate for directx9 apps and games. Compensate this with more ram and maybe a dual core and hell so what if the OS takes one more second to load. The games, the programs, The looks from the kids who blew 600+ bucks on a small blue ray game system will sell you on Vista. Vista will sell you on Vista.
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I didn't entire feel like reading that long post. But let me point out that if vista was even "near" secure (which linux actually is, believe it or not) you owuldn't need any security whatsoever.

Linux' security comes in form of total denial. Whatever involves more advanced operations than document writing and harmless preferences demands a password that must be typed in with the keyboard. If a hacker/virus tries to emulate keyboard pressing, it'll first have to get permission to emulate this...
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I didn't entire feel like reading that long post. But let me point out that if vista was even "near" secure (which linux actually is, believe it or not) you owuldn't need any security whatsoever.

Linux' security comes in form of total denial. Whatever involves more advanced operations than document writing and harmless preferences demands a password that must be typed in with the keyboard. If a hacker/virus tries to emulate keyboard pressing, it'll first have to get permission to emulate this...
Okay good point. Well let's see you exploit an Vista OS box.. Tell me how far you get because there are thousands others trying as we speak. And i quote slashdot.org :

"Exploit code for Windows Vista (though at this point only proof-of-concept code) has been published to a Russian hacker site, Eweek reports. Certain strings sent through the 'MessageBox' API apparently cause memory corruption. Though this is obviously cause for concern, at the moment it would seem access to the system would already be required to make use of the exploit. Determina has an analysis of the bug."

So right as we speak the only major way you can hack Vista is to already have access.. directly to the box. Thats pretty damn secure. Unless your a total Gimp who enables remote management with now protection. Also, to combat your phrase on Windows needing security... It only needs security updates for those users who don't know anything about computers or privacy levels. 99.9% of all updates from microsoft combat some form of activeX hacking.. which truly can be avoided if you know how to run a box properly.. in fact it amazes me that my sister'inlaw's computer even starts up. 3ghz, 1 gig ram XP box that takes a full 5 mins to startup from all the lame activeX crap that installs itself. Yes, Vista is secure. If you know how to use it. Hell XP was secure if you ran it right. Even with window's native firewall! ( not as configurable as i'd like.. but my friends couldn't bomb or log into my box.) I am saying this as a user who has ran BBS's and all kinds of servers for the last ten years. This is _the first_ stable OS from them since DOS LoL.
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I'm running Vista. It's AWESOME.

I just won't use it as main OS. Know why? Vista uses a lot of resources, even with no eye-candy. My processor keeps temp at 40ºC even when idle. I also have only 512Mb of RAM and a poor Maxtor HDD 40GB. I will be formatting and making a XP partition for games, and a small Vista partition, for text works and internet. Maybe if my specs were higher I could even afford on using Vista as main OS. But as my final word, Vista worths the try.

Just a note if you'll vLite Vista: KEEP THE VIDEO DRIVERS. I'm sure you know why.
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I'm running Vista. It's AWESOME.

I just won't use it as main OS. Know why? Vista uses a lot of resources, even with no eye-candy. My processor keeps temp at 40ºC even when idle. I also have only 512Mb of RAM and a poor Maxtor HDD 40GB. I will be formatting and making a XP partition for games, and a small Vista partition, for text works and internet. Maybe if my specs were higher I could even afford on using Vista as main OS. But as my final word, Vista worths the try.

Just a note if you'll vLite Vista: KEEP THE VIDEO DRIVERS. I'm sure you know why.
definatly keep those.. i don't know how many times a year i change video cards LoL.
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I didn't entire feel like reading that long post. But let me point out that if vista was even "near" secure (which linux actually is, believe it or not) you owuldn't need any security whatsoever.

Linux' security comes in form of total denial. Whatever involves more advanced operations than document writing and harmless preferences demands a password that must be typed in with the keyboard. If a hacker/virus tries to emulate keyboard pressing, it'll first have to get permission to emulate this...
No, Linux security comes from the fact that its highly decentralized (there are hundreds of distros) and that very few users use Linux. It's more rewarding to write exploits for a centralized OS which is used by hundreds of millions of users (like winxp).

Also, Linux is a server OS, always have been: and surprisingly, most hacked servers have Linux on them.
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No, Linux security comes from the fact that its highly decentralized (there are hundreds of distros) and that very few users use Linux. It's more rewarding to write exploits for a centralized OS which is used by hundreds of millions of users (like winxp).

Also, Linux is a server OS, always have been: and surprisingly, most hacked servers have Linux on them.
Yes, a wrongly configured linux machine is just as easy to hack as a wrongly configured windows machine.

Besides not that long ago in linux you could have fun with this program

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Well, jokes aside, one thing that actually helps towards Linux being a more robust system is that it is Secure by design, and even if they are flaws its modular approach allows for an easili upgradable system, compared to Windows-Servers security through obscurity that gets broken every second day...
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ALL arguments aside.. I really saw potential in BeOS.. I really wish that they didn't stop development.. They were doing things in that OS that Windows couldn't do at the time.. Oh well. I wonder.. are there any Linux distros that run on a usb drive? I have a 64 meg pendrive
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I got my Windows Vista yesterday!! i tested all the night and am amazed!!! this OS(at least the 64bit version) is just great!!! the new smart-start(i think) function works perfect!! just shutdown your pc and when you need it again then press any key on your keyboard and windows is back again!! no loading time!!! also programs that use the new vista technology(like a.e.s) works perfect and far better than in WindowsXP.

this is my first impression with vista..i´ll check it out this weekend to see what´s new.

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I think a certain version of Puppy can. It seems like the kind of distro that would offer that option anyway.
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On a 64M usb drive? You'd probably want DSL (Damn Small Linux).

On larger drives, any distro can be installed if you know what you're doing. Not sure if many actually take you step by step through it, though.
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