Hello from win98se within WinXp. ;)

**fivefeet8** · December 6th, 2004

Hehe. As of this post, I'm posting from within a Virtual PC environment running win98se. Running in Winxp. It's strange, but the other day I came across an application that needed dos, so I went hunting for some type of dos emulator. Came across a few that worked, but were mainly for playing old dos games and not installing and running actual windows applications. Then I went hunting for some type of windows emulation.

I found that there are several virtual PC environment software available, but MS Virtual PC has a 45 day trial period. So here I am running win98se from within winxp. It's kinda cool in a geeky sorta way, but atleast it's all sorta familiar. The BSOD's, longer load times, missing files on startup, and ectt.. Hehe. I'll probably test some applications or games with it sooner or later. Some cool things about this is that it allows you to essentially pause the win98 and continue later sorta like a savestate of windows. You can resume later without restarting the virtual PC.

Anyways, has anyone else had experience with this software? What's the limitations to it? Can it play PC games or use PC software of yore? So far, I'm still updating win98se with windows updates.

VDDZ · December 6th, 2004

I assume that there no porformance upgrades by doing this right? As the computer would have to run XP, VPC and 98.

**fivefeet8** · December 6th, 2004

I hight doubt it, but most older applications, mainly dos applications, don't require much anyways. It's sorta cool to see the old win98se startup screens and sound from within winxp. The performance of the Virtual Environment seems fairly good for just rudimentary uses. I'll probably test other applications later.

**n_w95482** · December 6th, 2004

I've used both VMWare and Virtual PC. One of them I tried with Fedora Core 2, and the other one I was able to run Mechwarrior 2 at full speed (I can't remember which emulator ran which program/OS). Both emulators ran Windows 98SE quite well and I was able to access the Internet pretty easily. Now that I've reformatted I should try both programs again, especially to see if I can get FC2 (or 3) to work this time

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RF · December 6th, 2004

I tried longhorn 4008 in it, but it was really really really slow

I also tried a few linux os's in vmware but tossed all pc emulation out when I got my hands on a spare hdd

December 6th, 2004

virtualpc runs a number of directdraw games under win95/98 that don't work under xp, but not all of them....also, with some soundcards it seems to crash sometimes with ddraw.

The Aviator · December 6th, 2004

How resource friendly is it? Would seem to boggle down a < 512mb ram pc. or does it?

**n_w95482** · December 7th, 2004

You can set it to use a certain amount of memory so that shouldn't be too much of a problem. 98SE runs pretty good with only 64 MB RAM. Anything less than 32 MB in 98SE is quite slow so I recommend allocating at least 32.

December 7th, 2004

it's fine...as long as you don't run XP under XP

Rudy_x · December 7th, 2004

hmmm. maybe a little hint for you!

it's called dual-boot!!!

I have it too, win98se and winxp!

Player-X · December 7th, 2004

wrong it's called virtual PC where you emulate another pc with a PC

Rudy_x · December 7th, 2004

yeah ok, but why install virtual PC for a Dos-application! it sucks so much resources. So if you do a dualboot win98/XP. you can choose for win98 and then run the dos-application! much faster!

Player-X · December 7th, 2004

If he dosn't have another partition installing 2 OSes on the same partition could be troublesome later so this is an easiet alternative and the Virtual PC actuaily runs pretty well

December 7th, 2004

I find dual boot annoying... at least with the vpc, you can easily add/remove stuff, as opposed to permantly having to use a largely obsolete operating system.

Badaro · December 7th, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by fivefeet8

Anyways, has anyone else had experience with this software? What's the limitations to it? Can it play PC games or use PC software of yore? So far, I'm still updating win98se with windows updates.

I used VMWare for a LOT of time for testing and demo purposes. I had a bunch of VMs for Win95, Win98, WinMe and so on that I could boot anytime to test for compatibility with our software. Very handy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudy_x

hmmm. maybe a little hint for you!

it's called dual-boot!!!

I have it too, win98se and winxp!

I prefer to use VMWare and avoid rebooting all the time between different OSes.

[]s Badaro

**Kane** · December 7th, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudy_x

yeah ok, but why install virtual PC for a Dos-application! it sucks so much resources. So if you do a dualboot win98/XP. you can choose for win98 and then run the dos-application! much faster!

Yes, but there are inherent problems with that:

I want to use my drives in NTFS format. Although there are programs that allow NTFS access in 98, I stil have to create a seperate partition. If I use VMWare or VirtualPC though, I can have an autosizing file for the harddrive.
I run a lot of streaming apps. Thus I have no desire to turn my PC off. If I use VPC or VMWare, I can continue to run them in the background while using 98

Of course there are a number of advantages to this option too

Much faster (less resourse usage)
3d accelleration support, including 3dfx cards

For me however, I'd rather build up a seperate machine for '98 use.

The Aviator · December 7th, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane-Sama

Yes, but there are inherent problems with that:

I want to use my drives in NTFS format. Although there are programs that allow NTFS access in 98, I stil have to create a seperate partition. If I use VMWare or VirtualPC though, I can have an autosizing file for the harddrive.
I run a lot of streaming apps. Thus I have no desire to turn my PC off. If I use VPC or VMWare, I can continue to run them in the background while using 98

Of course there are a number of advantages to this option too

Much faster (less resourse usage)
3d accelleration support, including 3dfx cards

For me however, I'd rather build up a seperate machine for '98 use.

pwned...

anyway i agree with kane, I program some and i have lots of services i keep running alwayz and would hate to have to shut them down to play something simple like a dos game.

Ipswitch · December 8th, 2004

If you have a less-than-stellar computer, then vmware/VPC is probably not the best option. I know I played with it a bit in the past on my 1ghz, 256mb ram box. It ran sort of well but there was a huge performance hit on the rest of the stuff I was doing.

Lentoman · December 10th, 2004

If you want to do be really hardcore, post through WinUAE, it can emulate a full Amiga and make full use of your pc hardware through windows...

Meaning you get 16 million colors, high resolution workbench, 16-bit sound and networking.

Obviously you have to know a little about AmigaOS to get it all working, and unless you own the kickrom and workbench it would be illegal.

December 6th, 2004	#1 (permalink)
fivefeet8 &-)---\|--< Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Smallville Posts: 7,587	Hello from win98se within WinXp. ;) Hehe. As of this post, I'm posting from within a Virtual PC environment running win98se. Running in Winxp. It's strange, but the other day I came across an application that needed dos, so I went hunting for some type of dos emulator. Came across a few that worked, but were mainly for playing old dos games and not installing and running actual windows applications. Then I went hunting for some type of windows emulation. I found that there are several virtual PC environment software available, but MS Virtual PC has a 45 day trial period. So here I am running win98se from within winxp. It's kinda cool in a geeky sorta way, but atleast it's all sorta familiar. The BSOD's, longer load times, missing files on startup, and ectt.. Hehe. I'll probably test some applications or games with it sooner or later. Some cool things about this is that it allows you to essentially pause the win98 and continue later sorta like a savestate of windows. You can resume later without restarting the virtual PC. Anyways, has anyone else had experience with this software? What's the limitations to it? Can it play PC games or use PC software of yore? So far, I'm still updating win98se with windows updates. __________________ Play emulated games online Main Rig\|\|Intel Q6600@3.2 ghertz\|4x1gb DDR2 1066\|Asrock 1600sli 110db LGA 775\|EVGA 8800gtx@620/1450/975\|2x Seagate 160gb SATA150 Raid0\|250 gb Samsung SATA2 HD\|Seagate 7000.10 500gb HD\|NEC 3520 4x/8x DVD+R/RW DL burner\|Antec TP 650 watt\|40" Sony Bravia 1080p\|20.1" 5ms LCD 1680x1050 Native\|Logitec 5.1 Speaker System w/15" Sub\|Dual Boot Winows XP Pro/Vista 64bit\|\| 2nd Rig\|\|Athlon64 x2 3800+\|2x1 gig PC3200\|BFG Geforce 6800 Ultra OC @450/1250 agp\|60 gig Maxtor IDE HD 7200 RPM\|40 gig Maxtor IDE HD\|Asrock Dual SATA2\|Silver Aluminum ATX\|17" LCD\|\| 3rd Rig\|\|Athlon Xp 2800+\|1.5 gig PC2700\|BFG GeforceFx 5900 Ultra OC agp\|100 gig Maxtor SATA HD\|NF7-s rev2.0\|Nvidia Soundstorm MCP\|19" CRT\|\|

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VDDZ Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: in a box under the stairs in the corner of the basement half a block down the street from Jerry's Bait shop, You know the place. Posts: 502	I assume that there no porformance upgrades by doing this right? As the computer would have to run XP, VPC and 98. __________________ Image made by someone at deviantART.com, I lost their name, sorry...

December 6th, 2004	#3 (permalink)
fivefeet8 &-)---\|--< Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Smallville Posts: 7,587	I hight doubt it, but most older applications, mainly dos applications, don't require much anyways. It's sorta cool to see the old win98se startup screens and sound from within winxp. The performance of the Virtual Environment seems fairly good for just rudimentary uses. I'll probably test other applications later. __________________ Play emulated games online Main Rig\|\|Intel Q6600@3.2 ghertz\|4x1gb DDR2 1066\|Asrock 1600sli 110db LGA 775\|EVGA 8800gtx@620/1450/975\|2x Seagate 160gb SATA150 Raid0\|250 gb Samsung SATA2 HD\|Seagate 7000.10 500gb HD\|NEC 3520 4x/8x DVD+R/RW DL burner\|Antec TP 650 watt\|40" Sony Bravia 1080p\|20.1" 5ms LCD 1680x1050 Native\|Logitec 5.1 Speaker System w/15" Sub\|Dual Boot Winows XP Pro/Vista 64bit\|\| 2nd Rig\|\|Athlon64 x2 3800+\|2x1 gig PC3200\|BFG Geforce 6800 Ultra OC @450/1250 agp\|60 gig Maxtor IDE HD 7200 RPM\|40 gig Maxtor IDE HD\|Asrock Dual SATA2\|Silver Aluminum ATX\|17" LCD\|\| 3rd Rig\|\|Athlon Xp 2800+\|1.5 gig PC2700\|BFG GeforceFx 5900 Ultra OC agp\|100 gig Maxtor SATA HD\|NF7-s rev2.0\|Nvidia Soundstorm MCP\|19" CRT\|\|

December 6th, 2004	#4 (permalink)
n_w95482 Administrator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 4,684	I've used both VMWare and Virtual PC. One of them I tried with Fedora Core 2, and the other one I was able to run Mechwarrior 2 at full speed (I can't remember which emulator ran which program/OS). Both emulators ran Windows 98SE quite well and I was able to access the Internet pretty easily. Now that I've reformatted I should try both programs again, especially to see if I can get FC2 (or 3) to work this time . __________________ Main PC: DFI LAN Party nF4 SLI-DR Expert w/406-bta BIOS, AMD Opteron 165 (CCBBE 0615 EPMW) @ 3 GHz (334x9), 1.55v w/D-Tek Fuzion WB; 2x1 GB OCZ PC4000 EB Plats @ 250 MHz, 3-3-2-8, 3:4, 2.7v; ATi Radeon X1900XT 512 MB @ 668/855 w/DD Tyee WB, 150 GB WD Raptor, 4x500 GB WD RE2 (RAID 10), SB Audigy 2 ZS, 700w OCZ GameXStream, CM Stacker 810, Windows XP Pro Last edited by n_w95482; December 6th, 2004 at 02:52.

December 6th, 2004	#5 (permalink)
RF Canadian Spaceman Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,594	I tried longhorn 4008 in it, but it was really really really slow I also tried a few linux os's in vmware but tossed all pc emulation out when I got my hands on a spare hdd __________________

December 6th, 2004	#6 (permalink)
Samor Guest Posts: n/a	virtualpc runs a number of directdraw games under win95/98 that don't work under xp, but not all of them....also, with some soundcards it seems to crash sometimes with ddraw.

December 6th, 2004	#7 (permalink)
The Aviator Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 177	How resource friendly is it? Would seem to boggle down a < 512mb ram pc. or does it?

December 7th, 2004	#8 (permalink)
n_w95482 Administrator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 4,684	You can set it to use a certain amount of memory so that shouldn't be too much of a problem. 98SE runs pretty good with only 64 MB RAM. Anything less than 32 MB in 98SE is quite slow so I recommend allocating at least 32. __________________ Main PC: DFI LAN Party nF4 SLI-DR Expert w/406-bta BIOS, AMD Opteron 165 (CCBBE 0615 EPMW) @ 3 GHz (334x9), 1.55v w/D-Tek Fuzion WB; 2x1 GB OCZ PC4000 EB Plats @ 250 MHz, 3-3-2-8, 3:4, 2.7v; ATi Radeon X1900XT 512 MB @ 668/855 w/DD Tyee WB, 150 GB WD Raptor, 4x500 GB WD RE2 (RAID 10), SB Audigy 2 ZS, 700w OCZ GameXStream, CM Stacker 810, Windows XP Pro

December 7th, 2004	#9 (permalink)
Samor Guest Posts: n/a	it's fine...as long as you don't run XP under XP

December 7th, 2004	#10 (permalink)
Rudy_x Pcsx2 Betatester Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 349	hmmm. maybe a little hint for you! it's called dual-boot!!! I have it too, win98se and winxp!

December 7th, 2004	#11 (permalink)
Player-X Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: From Kuching in Malaysia now stuck in Houston Texas Posts: 9,110	wrong it's called virtual PC where you emulate another pc with a PC

December 7th, 2004	#12 (permalink)
Rudy_x Pcsx2 Betatester Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 349	yeah ok, but why install virtual PC for a Dos-application! it sucks so much resources. So if you do a dualboot win98/XP. you can choose for win98 and then run the dos-application! much faster!

December 7th, 2004	#13 (permalink)
Player-X Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: From Kuching in Malaysia now stuck in Houston Texas Posts: 9,110	If he dosn't have another partition installing 2 OSes on the same partition could be troublesome later so this is an easiet alternative and the Virtual PC actuaily runs pretty well

December 7th, 2004	#14 (permalink)
Samor Guest Posts: n/a	I find dual boot annoying... at least with the vpc, you can easily add/remove stuff, as opposed to permantly having to use a largely obsolete operating system.

December 8th, 2004	#18 (permalink)
Ipswitch /dev/user Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Internet Posts: 407	If you have a less-than-stellar computer, then vmware/VPC is probably not the best option. I know I played with it a bit in the past on my 1ghz, 256mb ram box. It ran sort of well but there was a huge performance hit on the rest of the stuff I was doing.

December 10th, 2004	#19 (permalink)
Lentoman Niku Niku Niku! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Grand Line Posts: 208	If you want to do be really hardcore, post through WinUAE, it can emulate a full Amiga and make full use of your pc hardware through windows... Meaning you get 16 million colors, high resolution workbench, 16-bit sound and networking. Obviously you have to know a little about AmigaOS to get it all working, and unless you own the kickrom and workbench it would be illegal.

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