Best options in MPC for 5.1 surround?

**DarkAurora** · August 10th, 2004

Can someone tell me what the best options are in Media Player Classic for 5.1 surround sound? Thanks.

**Kane** · August 10th, 2004

Personaly I use the internal AC3 decoder and pass it through SPDIF to my sound system.

**hushypushy** · August 10th, 2004

i use the internal one too, works fine for me. i've also used AC3filter in the past, that's worked well.

**Kane** · August 10th, 2004

AC3filter was great until the internal AC3 decoder appeared. The Internal filter has less normilisation options, but is perfectly suited to my needs.

**hushypushy** · August 11th, 2004

well i dont use it anymore. IIRC i used it in the past because i was having problems where the audio would pause using the internal one.

**DarkAurora** · August 11th, 2004

Does the S/PDIF work if you are just using PC speakers/subwoofer and not a reciever? I was under the impression that you need an audio reciever for S/PDIF to work.

**Kirby** · August 11th, 2004

usually when you have more than a 2.1 system, you need some sort of extra equipement for surround sound. Either a reciever or a decoder, I dunno which one though

**Kane** · August 11th, 2004

SPDIF out is for seperate recievers. There is options for decoding AC3 tracks in s/w to however many speakers you have, so...

Kazuya Mishima · August 11th, 2004

I use the internal one with spdif-out enabled. Wha is the difference between pcm 16bit 24 and 32 and ieee? Call me deaf but i can't hear the difference. And can somebody point out the difference with render in 2d and 3d? I can't tell the difference again and again you can call me blind.

**Kane** · August 11th, 2004

The PCM modes are dependant on your card. IIRC only the Audigy/2 support 24 bit.
The 2d/3d thing is just which way it renders the image, it's like the difference between using D3D and DirectDraw in VBA

**DarkAurora** · August 11th, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane-Sama

SPDIF out is for seperate recievers. There is options for decoding AC3 tracks in s/w to however many speakers you have, so...

Yeah, I know where it says "Decode to:" in MPC but you can't select anything for center or subwoofer.

**hushypushy** · August 12th, 2004

the LFE should be automatic, depending on the crossover you've set in software options, or depending on your hardware.

**Kane** · August 12th, 2004

Well if you set it to 3/2 speakers and check the LFE box......

Kazuya Mishima · August 12th, 2004

Thats what i use sometimes but there is no difference between 3/2 speakers and spdif-out. Deaf, i know.

Anyway, chosing 3/2 instead of spdif-out will still get you 5.1 and is the same as the powerdvd option of using spdif-out or 6 speakers. What bothers me is that in cyberlink's faq it says the only way to get true 5.1 is with spdif-out NOT 6 speakers but it still sounds 5.1 to me. What about MPC?

**Kane** · August 12th, 2004

IIRC SP-Dif passes 6 discrete channels across where as 5.1 from a PC uses 5 and makes the sub channel up itself.

**hushypushy** · August 12th, 2004

isn't AC3 6 discrete channels already? so when i'm watching a DVD in PowerDVD (or a ripped DVD in MPC) doesnt it send all 6 channels to their respective speakers?

**Kane** · August 12th, 2004

I think that what happens is that when using SP-Dif passthrough, the AC3 stream with all 6 channels is passed directly to the Amp to decode, wheras a PC decoded stream becomes 5 channel with an implied 6th channel

**DarkAurora** · August 12th, 2004

I don't think it will make any sound difference if the subwoofer channel isn't directly decoded from the DVD.

**Kane** · August 12th, 2004

Niether do I, but the PowerDVD manual is correct in saying that the only way to get 'true' 5.1 is via SP-Dif, if I am correctm, but that is mainly conjecture.

**DarkAurora** · August 12th, 2004

MPC has come along very well so far; I wouldn't be surprised if it was able to do 'true' 5.1 sound in a future release.

August 10th, 2004	#1 (permalink)
DarkAurora Back from the dead Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seymour, TN Posts: 3,735	Best options in MPC for 5.1 surround? Can someone tell me what the best options are in Media Player Classic for 5.1 surround sound? Thanks.

August 10th, 2004	#2 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	Personaly I use the internal AC3 decoder and pass it through SPDIF to my sound system. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

August 10th, 2004	#3 (permalink)
hushypushy the only one you've ever SEEN Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 21,837	i use the internal one too, works fine for me. i've also used AC3filter in the past, that's worked well. __________________ Dedicated to mediocrity and repetition since 1994. 2008 "How Not to Post" guide

August 10th, 2004	#4 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	AC3filter was great until the internal AC3 decoder appeared. The Internal filter has less normilisation options, but is perfectly suited to my needs. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

August 11th, 2004	#5 (permalink)
hushypushy the only one you've ever SEEN Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 21,837	well i dont use it anymore. IIRC i used it in the past because i was having problems where the audio would pause using the internal one. __________________ Dedicated to mediocrity and repetition since 1994. 2008 "How Not to Post" guide

August 11th, 2004	#6 (permalink)
DarkAurora Back from the dead Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seymour, TN Posts: 3,735	Does the S/PDIF work if you are just using PC speakers/subwoofer and not a reciever? I was under the impression that you need an audio reciever for S/PDIF to work.

August 11th, 2004	#7 (permalink)
Kirby Politically incorrect FTW Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 8,445	usually when you have more than a 2.1 system, you need some sort of extra equipement for surround sound. Either a reciever or a decoder, I dunno which one though __________________ AMD Athlon64 X2 4400+ Toledo, Nvidia GeForce 7950GT SLi, 2GB PC3200 2-3-2-5, ABit AN8-SLi, Sound Blaster X-FI XtremeMusic

August 11th, 2004	#8 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	SPDIF out is for seperate recievers. There is options for decoding AC3 tracks in s/w to however many speakers you have, so... __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

August 11th, 2004	#9 (permalink)
Kazuya Mishima The seeker of perfection Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Suing somebody Posts: 3,059	I use the internal one with spdif-out enabled. Wha is the difference between pcm 16bit 24 and 32 and ieee? Call me deaf but i can't hear the difference. And can somebody point out the difference with render in 2d and 3d? I can't tell the difference again and again you can call me blind. __________________ Visit my blog in Spanish: http://andreyirra.blogspot.com

August 11th, 2004	#10 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	The PCM modes are dependant on your card. IIRC only the Audigy/2 support 24 bit. The 2d/3d thing is just which way it renders the image, it's like the difference between using D3D and DirectDraw in VBA __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

August 12th, 2004	#12 (permalink)
hushypushy the only one you've ever SEEN Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 21,837	the LFE should be automatic, depending on the crossover you've set in software options, or depending on your hardware. __________________ Dedicated to mediocrity and repetition since 1994. 2008 "How Not to Post" guide

August 12th, 2004	#13 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	Well if you set it to 3/2 speakers and check the LFE box...... __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

August 12th, 2004	#14 (permalink)
Kazuya Mishima The seeker of perfection Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Suing somebody Posts: 3,059	Thats what i use sometimes but there is no difference between 3/2 speakers and spdif-out. Deaf, i know. Anyway, chosing 3/2 instead of spdif-out will still get you 5.1 and is the same as the powerdvd option of using spdif-out or 6 speakers. What bothers me is that in cyberlink's faq it says the only way to get true 5.1 is with spdif-out NOT 6 speakers but it still sounds 5.1 to me. What about MPC? __________________ Visit my blog in Spanish: http://andreyirra.blogspot.com

August 12th, 2004	#15 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	IIRC SP-Dif passes 6 discrete channels across where as 5.1 from a PC uses 5 and makes the sub channel up itself. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

August 12th, 2004	#16 (permalink)
hushypushy the only one you've ever SEEN Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 21,837	isn't AC3 6 discrete channels already? so when i'm watching a DVD in PowerDVD (or a ripped DVD in MPC) doesnt it send all 6 channels to their respective speakers? __________________ Dedicated to mediocrity and repetition since 1994. 2008 "How Not to Post" guide

August 12th, 2004	#17 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	I think that what happens is that when using SP-Dif passthrough, the AC3 stream with all 6 channels is passed directly to the Amp to decode, wheras a PC decoded stream becomes 5 channel with an implied 6th channel __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

August 12th, 2004	#18 (permalink)
DarkAurora Back from the dead Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seymour, TN Posts: 3,735	I don't think it will make any sound difference if the subwoofer channel isn't directly decoded from the DVD.

August 12th, 2004	#19 (permalink)
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,255	Niether do I, but the PowerDVD manual is correct in saying that the only way to get 'true' 5.1 is via SP-Dif, if I am correctm, but that is mainly conjecture. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, MSI K8N Platinum, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 500Gb RAID HDD, Vista Business Erika: (MCPC) Athlon XP 2400+, 1Gb 400MHz DDR Ram, geForce 6800 256Mb, 80Gb Hdd, XP 2005 MCE Kimiko: (Desktop 2) Athlon 64 3000+, 512Mb 400MHz DDR Ram, Asus K8V, geForce 6800 128Mb

August 12th, 2004	#20 (permalink)
DarkAurora Back from the dead Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seymour, TN Posts: 3,735	MPC has come along very well so far; I wouldn't be surprised if it was able to do 'true' 5.1 sound in a future release.

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