Mozilla Firefox getting a new default skin

Badaro · June 6th, 2004

News has surfaced that the next version of Mozilla Firefox will have a new default skin. And I don't think this is good news, check the attached screenshot for a sample of the new default.

I certainly won't be considering an upgrade to 0.9 until I have confirmation you can switch back to the 0.8 skin.

Source: http://kmgerich.com/archive/000062.html

[]s Badaro

Proto · June 6th, 2004

Meh... its not that bad and anyway you can always use the skin you like the most

And I dont think they will leave the old one in the oblivion either

Quark · June 6th, 2004

1) It's not done yet. Don't judge it so quickly. In fact, it may or may not be in 0.9. At the latest it will be in the beta release of 1.0.

2) You can easily change the theme. The first thing I do when testing new builds/profiles is change the theme (to Pinball most of the time).

3) Old theme. Arvid was asked repeatedly to relicense Qute so that people could modify it in his absense, or so that developers could have control of how their product looks. He said no. When Thunderbird looked ugly as hell, forum users from mozillazine.org tried modifying it to give new folder icons. He told them to stop. So the developers decided that they needed a theme that they had rights to, and started development on Winstripe (the Windows version of Pinstripe, the default Mac theme). After discussing it privately over e-mail, Arvid posts the private e-mails on the forums and claims he's willing to relicense. In my eyes, it's months too late and he lost all respect I had after posting private e-mails.

So unfortunately, it's no longer a matter of how the theme looks. The author ruined it for everyone.

Gamer1 · June 6th, 2004

the mozilla modern skin is so much cooler looking

Badaro · June 6th, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gamer1

the mozilla modern skin is so much cooler looking

Personally, I think that all default skins packed with Mozilla before the current Firefox skin were downright horrible. They were one of the main reasons I could never get myselft attached to Mozilla (Modern was the best of the pack, though).

Quark, I'm aware of the whole mess behind this change of skins, but that doesn't change my stance that the "new" skin is currently butt-ugly IMO, and I certainly won't be updating Firefox unless I have a way to continue with the current one.

[]s Badaro

Cypherswipe · June 6th, 2004

Eh. New skin looks bleh, but not much different than the old one. I always change skins anyway because I hate white crap. What i really hate though is the fact that there are so few dark skins for moz/firefox, and no really good ones. The best one is skypilot (although it's more of a medium color, not a dark one).

Noxious Ninja · June 7th, 2004

Well, I use Mostly Crystal, so this doesn't affect me. :P

That said, from reading the thread at MozillaZine, it seems Arvid is a bit of a snob. Ben Goodger comes across as an ass, but freedom is extremely important here, and I support him all the way.

Strider · June 7th, 2004

i use the firefox grey modern skin anyways so it doesnt affect me much

sniff_381 · June 7th, 2004

i also use the grey modern skin... and badaro.. changing the default skin doesn't rlly mean bout releasing a new version.. niweiz.. I support all those who r making new skins for firefox...

Badaro · June 13th, 2004

FYI,

Apparently there's an issue with both Seamonkey and Firefox currently preventing the installation of themes from websites not on a specific whitelist. Not sure if it'll be fixed before 1.7/0.9 are final, so if you're having trouble installing a skin, download it to the desktop, open the theme manager and drag-and-drop the skin file to the theme manager to get it working (well, at least in Firefox

).

Source: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=83886

BTW, I did a good test run of the new skin (Winstripe), and after that I had to get a new sig.

[]s Badaro

Quark · June 13th, 2004

I actually like the new theme, though it needs fine tuning. I certainly like it more than Qute.

Of course, no theme stands up to Pinball :P

Badaro · June 13th, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quark

I actually like the new theme, though it needs fine tuning. I certainly like it more than Qute.

The new theme needs a LOT of tuning.

The author himself said something in the lines of Winstripe being a "0.1 release at best".

It may turn up nicely, but for the moment I think it looks horrible. The main offenders are the way-too-simple 2D icons that don't quite fit in WinXP, and the excess of padding space around the icons.

[]s Badaro

Quark · June 13th, 2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badaro

The new theme needs a LOT of tuning.

The author himself said something in the lines of Winstripe being a "0.1 release at best".

It may turn up nicely, but for the moment I think it looks horrible. The main offenders are the way-too-simple 2D icons that don't quite fit in WinXP, and the excess of padding space around the icons.

[]s Badaro

Yes, the padding is definately a problem with it, especially when you select "Small Icons" -> small should mean small. Hopefully they decide that was a bad idea. Anyway, if the spacing is some people's main concern, anyone knowledgeable of editting the userChrome.css file can fix that easily.

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Cypherswipe Extra Large Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 934	Eh. New skin looks bleh, but not much different than the old one. I always change skins anyway because I hate white crap. What i really hate though is the fact that there are so few dark skins for moz/firefox, and no really good ones. The best one is skypilot (although it's more of a medium color, not a dark one). __________________

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Noxious Ninja Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: teh intarweb Posts: 1,718	Well, I use Mostly Crystal, so this doesn't affect me. :P That said, from reading the thread at MozillaZine, it seems Arvid is a bit of a snob. Ben Goodger comes across as an ass, but freedom is extremely important here, and I support him all the way. __________________ 09 f9 11 02 9d 74 e3 5b d8 41 56 c5 63 56 88 c0

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Strider Living Paradigm Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 10,224	i use the firefox grey modern skin anyways so it doesnt affect me much __________________ My Deviant Art

June 6th, 2004	#3 (permalink)
Quark Has an extra GOTO 10 Line Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 250	1) It's not done yet. Don't judge it so quickly. In fact, it may or may not be in 0.9. At the latest it will be in the beta release of 1.0. 2) You can easily change the theme. The first thing I do when testing new builds/profiles is change the theme (to Pinball most of the time). 3) Old theme. Arvid was asked repeatedly to relicense Qute so that people could modify it in his absense, or so that developers could have control of how their product looks. He said no. When Thunderbird looked ugly as hell, forum users from mozillazine.org tried modifying it to give new folder icons. He told them to stop. So the developers decided that they needed a theme that they had rights to, and started development on Winstripe (the Windows version of Pinstripe, the default Mac theme). After discussing it privately over e-mail, Arvid posts the private e-mails on the forums and claims he's willing to relicense. In my eyes, it's months too late and he lost all respect I had after posting private e-mails. So unfortunately, it's no longer a matter of how the theme looks. The author ruined it for everyone.

June 7th, 2004	#9 (permalink)
sniff_381 †PeaceMaker† Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: between reality and dream Posts: 708	i also use the grey modern skin... and badaro.. changing the default skin doesn't rlly mean bout releasing a new version.. niweiz.. I support all those who r making new skins for firefox... __________________ go visit my site... sniff381:=ual Identity

June 13th, 2004	#10 (permalink)
Badaro Rosen Ritter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Brazil Posts: 3,394	FYI, Apparently there's an issue with both Seamonkey and Firefox currently preventing the installation of themes from websites not on a specific whitelist. Not sure if it'll be fixed before 1.7/0.9 are final, so if you're having trouble installing a skin, download it to the desktop, open the theme manager and drag-and-drop the skin file to the theme manager to get it working (well, at least in Firefox ). Source: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=83886 BTW, I did a good test run of the new skin (Winstripe), and after that I had to get a new sig. []s Badaro __________________ My old signature became obsolete and I lack imagination to make a new one.

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Quark Has an extra GOTO 10 Line Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 250	I actually like the new theme, though it needs fine tuning. I certainly like it more than Qute. Of course, no theme stands up to Pinball :P

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