Dreamcast Emulator

[campaign2016]

yupppers looks like it works

The only emulation project which runs a commercial game is Dreamer, coded by ElSemi.
The version that runs this game is unreleased, of course, for the sole fact that the author feels
the DC isn't ready to be emulated this soon, and I concur.

But at least ElSemi is still working on it, and his other project, Nebula, a CPS-2 Emulator.

Beckham_m7u, I am around all over the place. I am quite active and checking the various forums daily. Lord James quit of his own free will and now it seems that it was for the best that he did. More than that will not be said, so please don't ask. This new project I know nothing about. I would assume that if some of the Admins are going to be helping out there, they also will still be here. If I am asked to help out w/it, I will, but I will also plan to be here as well. So, most of us are still around and we are always ready and willing to help.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

yeah Emu Fanatics has nothing to do with PSXEmu .. just a bunch of my friends ... which some happen to be ex-members and current members of PSXEmu. Well I don't want to give to much away .. so you guys will just have to wait.

Also I don't come around as much as I used too ... just been busy lately

Wormie | Emu Fanatics

[beckham_m7u]

haha....that's quite impressive, sxamiga... well, I'm not gonna force people to tell what they're doing just take it easy... and for guys that are working on some projects, wish you a very good luck...

And CDBurnOut, so, Dreamer is the only DC emulator that runs commercial games huh? Maybe on their newest version (I hope) and what's that NEBULA ? Did u mean PS-2 Emulator? hmmm...that's interesting considering the awsome graphic that PS2 has.... Maybe it will need GeForce 3 ??? hohoho... As I read just now, GeForce 3 hasn't been released yet...

mm...Just Wondering, is AdriPSX and ePSXe have a compatibility different??? Is it possible if some games that didn't work on ePSXe will turn great on AdriPSX? (Well, I never tried it because I think when they're using "plugins" system, they're sharing the compatibility as well...Am I wrong?) Besides, which system do you prefer? the fixed (like Bleem! or VGS) or the plugin one(like the famous ePSXe or AdriPSX)?

Ow, and that PCSX seems great to me... Keep yer good work, guys...

Beckham_m7u, just because ePSXe and Adripsx share the same plugin system doesn't necessarily mean that their compatability will be the same. You see, the main emulator cores (the emulator minus the plugins) are not the same and the emulator itself is what mainly decides the compatability aided, in part, by the plugins. So there is a reasonable chance that Adripsx may, read "May" play some games that ePSXe does not. I am currently checking this and later I will let everyone know what I have discovered.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

[beckham_m7u]

haha....thanks for your explanations, sxamiga and Disturbed...

my memory card on AdriPSX won't read or function as well as ePSXe...can anyone describe this? Well, I haven't tried the newest version of Adri yet...But on PSXEmu website, it was said that the newest version features not including the fixing of memory cards...kinda confused...

[beckham_m7u]

hmmm..this is about GAME TRANSLATIONS (well, I didn't put this on new topic coz I think it will waste some spaces)

1. Who (or What company) is usually translates the Japan games to a US one?
2. Why didn't they translate some very great RPG games that comes out lately like Tales of Phantasia, Spectral Blade, Khamrai, Tales of Eternia, Eithea, etc etc...

thanks

[LanGaidin]

hmmm..this is about GAME TRANSLATIONS (well, I didn't put this on new topic coz I think it will waste some spaces)

Just an FYI, that it usually is better to create a new topic for something like this... For the most part, it doesn't really matter, but more people are likely to see it, if it is in it's own topic with a subject that is relevant. Also, it makes it easier to find later. I really doubt that there are space issues here, and even so, creating a new message doesn't use much more space than replying to an already existing one.

1. Who (or What company) is usually translates the Japan games to a US one?


I'm pretty sure that it's the developers of the game. I.E., Squaresoft has a translator to translate their own games to English...

2. Why didn't they translate some very great RPG games that comes out lately like Tales of Phantasia, Spectral Blade, Khamrai, Tales of Eternia, Eithea, etc etc...

Usually it's because they don't think that the game will do well in the US. It's very expensive to translate games, especially games that are text/speech oriented, such as RPGs, and the companies want to be 100% sure that the cost will be justified, before doing it. There are more than 3 times as many PSX games in Japan as their are in the US. For most of them, they really wouldn't sell well in the US (Some of what they consider fun games are incredibly odd). However, there is occasionally the really great game that doesn't get sold outside Japan. Basically, it's beaurocratic red tape. :/ You can try sending letters/E-mails to the developers, or even better yet organize a petition. If you can prove to them that they'll make money off the translations, they will do it. Even if the games are years old, a la CT and FF IV...

CDBuRnOuT said:

The only emulation project which runs a commercial game is Dreamer, coded by ElSemi.
The version that runs this game is unreleased, of course, for the sole fact that the author feels
the DC isn't ready to be emulated this soon, and I concur.


You know, when I first read that he felt that way, I thought it was really cool of him. But, the more I think about it, I don't quite understand it. I mean, to me, the point of emulation was 3-fold:

1. Increase the # of people that can play the games, by increasing the # of playable platforms
2. The "Is it possible" factor... Just seeing the "impossible" being done
3. Keeping old games alive.

Obviously the last doesn't apply to the DC, however none of these are inherently bad. They probably help the developers and consumers, and don't hurt the console makers. There are 2 main by-products of emulation that are not good:

1. Fewer people buying the consoles
2. Increase in game piracy

The first is debatable, as I don't believe that many people who use emus but don't own the console would have bought the console anyway. However, it is possible it's true, so I'll consider it a valid point... However, for the DC, considering that the consoles are no longer being produced, they would have no trouble selling the remaining stock, even if an emu that played 90% of the games perfectly came out today.

The second point a lot of people will probably argue. However, the fact is that no matter how easy it is to play pirated (or "backup" for those that can't face reality) games on the PSX, it is even easier to do so on the PC with an emu. It's also possible to play pirated games without buying anything (Few software pirates would be willing to steal a console, however a free emu, or pirating a commercial one gets around that). I'm sure the same will be true of the DC. And, while this would be a valid point on why to not release an emu (Not one I agree with, but I could at least understand), in this case, when IS a good time to release one? The only time I could see would be after the games for the console are no longer being actively sold (Usually about a year after the console is no longer being manufactured). If that is the argument, then it is too early for PSX, N64, and even Gameboy emulators, still... And, I have never heard anyone making those arguments about these systems.

Is there some other downside of emulation that goes away/is diminished after the console has been on the market for more than a couple years? Please explain to me what I'm missing here...

It's kind of a Catch 22....

People feel things like the DC are too new to be emu'd, but something like the GB, which is quite old can, even though it's still being sold...

It really varies from scene to scene....take Arcade for example...
MAME doesn't enable games it can emulate until at least a year after the 1st bootup date on the ROM...
The Impact team is also following this logic with Zinc.

Bleh, I'm kind of not really explaining anything :/ Hrm...let's take a look at a more recent example, the GBA
Their was a GBA emu (albeit unreleased at the time), running a commercial ROM within 24 hours of the handheld's release.
The version of the emu with the ability to run the game, was released the next day.

Ask most 'older' emulation fans, and they think of GBA emulation at this point as one of the biggest disasters in Emulation history...

Anyway...the general concensus(sp?) is that as a console/handheld/arcade/etc gets older, it's more and more acceptable to emulate it,
regardless of it still selling or not, because by that time, the platform in question has already been selling for a while, and can stand
the 'competition' an emu can bring in some cases...

Argh, this is really unorganized, but I hope it make sense, please forgive me =P

[tidus]

Tales of Phantasia was probably not translated because it was a SNES game in the first place, it just got ported over to the PSX. Also with Tales of Phantasia (as good of a game it is) it would probably be expensive to have the voice acting in English, plus it's a 2D game. Compared to FF9, it wouldn't sell at all since there are very few anime fans (like me) in the rest of the world.

[campaign2016]

i dont know

look at lunar 2

alot of people have that game and its a 2d game

although it is alot more expensive to translate an rpg than a fighting game. if there is voice acting in a fighting game it usually sounds better in the original japanese any way since the english translations are never good

[beckham_m7u]

hmmm...maybe you guys are right but surely the translation will make some US gamers HAPPY...!!! then I guess we should wait which developers will translate those great games, huh? hmm...Waiting is the most boring job in the world...

[campaign2016]

unless it pays good

[Ryos]

I've already said this before, but I'll say it again. Namco is the company that did the marvelous Tales of...series, including Tales of Destiny (the only game of the series to make it to the United States). Because it did so poorly, and because Tekken and other brainless games do so well, Namco has no incentive to translate any other Tales of... games, including Tales of Phantasia, possibly the best game ever made (and that's the SNES version:P). Unless someone else buys the rights, we will never see an official version of any other Tales of... games.

[cluthu]

>Tales of Phantasia...
Though I'm unsure about the PSX version, if you'd like to play ToP translated into English you might want to check out DeJap Translations @ http://dejap.zsnes.com . You'll need an emulator (ZSnes is my personal fave. Their homepage @ http://www.zsnes.com ) and the ROM (which, of course, I can't say any more about).

There's no voice acting as in the PSX ToP, but the patch that Dejap has is simply astounding (IMHO), given that they had to replace all the original text and had no access to the original game's source code.

I haven't any idea if this is useful to you, but I just thought I'd mention it.

[beckham_m7u]

ha...thanks guys...

and cluthu,.... i've already got the translations files but since i can't use it, i dumped it... hehe

and hope those games will be translated (Khamrai seems great )