Weird Blue Screen issue

**Xtreme2damax** · 4 Weeks Ago

I am having a weird issue where my install of Windows 7 will blue screen at random. I can reproduce the problem every time by doing the following:

1. Boot up PC

2. Let Windows load to the log in screen

3. Let Windows idle on the log in screen for a few minutes.

4. Attempt to log in.

5. Upon attempting to log in after letting Windows idle on the login screen for a few minutes I am presented with a BSOD.

The error is related to NTFS.sys an is something along the lines of PAGED_TO_NON_PAGED_AREA.

It only happens if I let Windows idle on the log in screen for a few minutes, I don't get a BSOD if I log in right away.

Also Windows will blue screen at random when my PC is idle, never when I am actively using it.

Here is a minidump, hopefully it will be of use to pinpoint where the problem is:

Attached Files

102009-18687-01.zip (27.4 KB, 2 views)

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Squall-Leonhart · 4 Weeks Ago

Faulty Memory.

There is no other cause for NTFS crashes.

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**n_w95482** · 4 Weeks Ago

I agree with the above post, definitely check your memory. Here's a link to your specific STOP code.

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Squall-Leonhart · 4 Weeks Ago

It might simply require a +.01v increase,

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**Xtreme2damax** · 4 Weeks Ago

Can anyone analyze the dump file to see if any programs or drivers may be at fault? Did one of the drivers or programs crash in the event of the blue screen?

It says that drivers or applications could also be the fault of the blue screen, or if the requested data is not in memory. I never had this problem with Vista and suspect it could be a faulty application or driver causing my troubles.

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Squall-Leonhart · 4 Weeks Ago

NTFS.sys IS the driver :P and when core drivers crash (on an os this stable) it can only be hardware, or a tampered disk. (you verified the disk before installing right?)

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**Xtreme2damax** · 3 Weeks Ago

Squall I reinstalled Windows 7 and am no longer having this problem, the ram or HDD definitely wasn't the problem. If it was I would be having the same problem on even a fresh install.

It had to be a bad driver, rogue/bad application that was causing it or something corrupted in my Windows installation. This is why I needed that minidump file analyzed, now I have to fight with reinstalling tens or hundreds of applications and games.

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lagunareturns · 3 Weeks Ago

it still can be the ram because all the reinstall did made the os use another area of your ram and hence its not recieveing the error yet... if it were me id run memtest, just in case, to see if it can be a bad area in your ram

Squall-Leonhart · 3 Weeks Ago

Yeah. you have to consider, why the previous install was corrupted.

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Butz_san · 3 Weeks Ago

It's easy, just make a test of your RAM using W7 or Memtest and you'll figure out if your RAM is corrupted or something like that

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**Xtreme2damax** · 3 Weeks Ago

Well the reason why I say my previous install was corrupted is because I used CCleaner to delete registry entries.

I also compressed my main drive Windows is installed on, compression messed up because I terminated the process early. I then had to uncheck the box in drive options to decompress what files were compressed and run the compression process over again.

I also deleted some files/directories I thought were not needed, but probably were. I also had over a hundred games and applications installed. I modified the environment variables for Tortoise SVN and VS2008. I also used a guide to get Windows 7 to boot a bit faster which I found useless in the end because it made no difference in boot time and my Windows 7 install already booted quite fast.

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**Xtreme2damax** · 2 Weeks Ago

I think I had a stick of ram in incorrectly..

I noticed my system was a quite sluggish, slower, unusually unstable, and the display driver was crashing constantly. I opened the case, took the video card out, cleaned the dust, readjusted and checked the ram sticks.

Also checked the cords for my SATA drives, which might of been loose. I checked other connections and adjusted them. I hooked up my PC speaker to the motherboard so it makes a beep upon bootup and I can tell what problem there is if any.

I also switched one of my fans around to blow air out of the case, I had one of my fans blowing air inside the case which was also bringing in dust..

After cleaning out the dust and putting everything together, I sealed off one of the card slots to prevent as much dust getting inside the case as I could.

I also reset the bios back to the defaults and adjusted only the necessary options.

My PC then posted without a problem, has been running stable, smoothly, and fast ever since then.

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Last edited by Xtreme2damax; 2 Weeks Ago at 19:19..

Lord Zedeck · 2 Weeks Ago

In case it helps, if you were by any chance overclocking (or even tweaking voltages at stock frequency) and using a BIOS feature akin to Loadline Calibration of any sorts to do so, this can happen. The PC will be fine under any sort of load, but when idle, it can be more prone to crashes and BSODs. It confuses people since they assume this couldn't be one of many possible causes since they'll see it's fine under load, so it must be during anything less too.

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4 Weeks Ago	#2 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,898	Faulty Memory. There is no other cause for NTFS crashes. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

4 Weeks Ago	#3 (permalink)
n_w95482 Totally crazy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 4,775	I agree with the above post, definitely check your memory. Here's a link to your specific STOP code. __________________ Main PC: Asus P6T Deluxe, Intel Core i7 920 C0 @ 3.7 GHz (195x19, 1.3v core, 1.84v PLL, 1.3625v uncore) w/Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme, 3x2 GB G Skill PC3-12800 @ 780 MHz, 7-7-7-21-1T, 1.66v; ATi Radeon HD 4870 1 GB @ 790/1000 w/Zalman VF-1000, 300 GB WD VelociRaptor, 4x500 GB WD RE2 (RAID 10), 3ware 9650SE-4LPML RAID controller, SB X-Fi Titanium, Seasonic M12D 750w, CM Stacker 810, Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, Dell 2007WFP XBL/PSN/WoW: Thordrune

4 Weeks Ago	#4 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,898	It might simply require a +.01v increase, __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

4 Weeks Ago	#5 (permalink)
Xtreme2damax T-5000 Modenator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere, even in your couch cushions.. Posts: 3,139	Can anyone analyze the dump file to see if any programs or drivers may be at fault? Did one of the drivers or programs crash in the event of the blue screen? It says that drivers or applications could also be the fault of the blue screen, or if the requested data is not in memory. I never had this problem with Vista and suspect it could be a faulty application or driver causing my troubles. __________________ \| Xtemulation Forums \| Dolphin SVN Builds \| \| XTemulation Wiki \| PCSX2 SVN Builds \| Download the free Xtemulation Toolbar If you like Xtemulation, please Digg Us

4 Weeks Ago	#6 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,898	NTFS.sys IS the driver :P and when core drivers crash (on an os this stable) it can only be hardware, or a tampered disk. (you verified the disk before installing right?) __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

3 Weeks Ago	#7 (permalink)
Xtreme2damax T-5000 Modenator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere, even in your couch cushions.. Posts: 3,139	Squall I reinstalled Windows 7 and am no longer having this problem, the ram or HDD definitely wasn't the problem. If it was I would be having the same problem on even a fresh install. It had to be a bad driver, rogue/bad application that was causing it or something corrupted in my Windows installation. This is why I needed that minidump file analyzed, now I have to fight with reinstalling tens or hundreds of applications and games. __________________ \| Xtemulation Forums \| Dolphin SVN Builds \| \| XTemulation Wiki \| PCSX2 SVN Builds \| Download the free Xtemulation Toolbar If you like Xtemulation, please Digg Us

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lagunareturns Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 697	it still can be the ram because all the reinstall did made the os use another area of your ram and hence its not recieveing the error yet... if it were me id run memtest, just in case, to see if it can be a bad area in your ram

3 Weeks Ago	#9 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,898	Yeah. you have to consider, why the previous install was corrupted. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

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Butz_san DesMuMe user Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ecuador Posts: 389	It's easy, just make a test of your RAM using W7 or Memtest and you'll figure out if your RAM is corrupted or something like that __________________ PC: Core2Duo E4600@3.0 2GB RAM Mainboard: Biostar Video Card : HD3650 (512MB) Silver Knight water cooler OS: Windows Seven Ultimate RTM FINAL

3 Weeks Ago	#11 (permalink)
Xtreme2damax T-5000 Modenator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere, even in your couch cushions.. Posts: 3,139	Well the reason why I say my previous install was corrupted is because I used CCleaner to delete registry entries. I also compressed my main drive Windows is installed on, compression messed up because I terminated the process early. I then had to uncheck the box in drive options to decompress what files were compressed and run the compression process over again. I also deleted some files/directories I thought were not needed, but probably were. I also had over a hundred games and applications installed. I modified the environment variables for Tortoise SVN and VS2008. I also used a guide to get Windows 7 to boot a bit faster which I found useless in the end because it made no difference in boot time and my Windows 7 install already booted quite fast. __________________ \| Xtemulation Forums \| Dolphin SVN Builds \| \| XTemulation Wiki \| PCSX2 SVN Builds \| Download the free Xtemulation Toolbar If you like Xtemulation, please Digg Us

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Xtreme2damax T-5000 Modenator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere, even in your couch cushions.. Posts: 3,139	I think I had a stick of ram in incorrectly.. I noticed my system was a quite sluggish, slower, unusually unstable, and the display driver was crashing constantly. I opened the case, took the video card out, cleaned the dust, readjusted and checked the ram sticks. Also checked the cords for my SATA drives, which might of been loose. I checked other connections and adjusted them. I hooked up my PC speaker to the motherboard so it makes a beep upon bootup and I can tell what problem there is if any. I also switched one of my fans around to blow air out of the case, I had one of my fans blowing air inside the case which was also bringing in dust.. After cleaning out the dust and putting everything together, I sealed off one of the card slots to prevent as much dust getting inside the case as I could. I also reset the bios back to the defaults and adjusted only the necessary options. My PC then posted without a problem, has been running stable, smoothly, and fast ever since then. __________________ \| Xtemulation Forums \| Dolphin SVN Builds \| \| XTemulation Wiki \| PCSX2 SVN Builds \| Download the free Xtemulation Toolbar If you like Xtemulation, please Digg Us Last edited by Xtreme2damax; 2 Weeks Ago at 19:19..

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Lord Zedeck Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,806	In case it helps, if you were by any chance overclocking (or even tweaking voltages at stock frequency) and using a BIOS feature akin to Loadline Calibration of any sorts to do so, this can happen. The PC will be fine under any sort of load, but when idle, it can be more prone to crashes and BSODs. It confuses people since they assume this couldn't be one of many possible causes since they'll see it's fine under load, so it must be during anything less too. __________________ "Without forgiveness, life is governed by an endless cycle of resentment and retaliation." "Judge people not of their mistakes, but on how they handle those mistakes." Core 2 Duo E8600 @4.0GHz- ASUS Maximus Formula (Rampage Formula BIOS 0701) - 8GB (4x 2GB) Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 MSI nVidia GeForce 8800GT 512MB - 4x Western Digital Caviar 6400AAKS (2,560GB total) - PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 IBM P275 21" CRT (1600x1200 @100Hz) - Logitech Z-2300 2.1 Sound System - Windows 7 64-bit & Windows XP SP3