Windows 7 and updating. - Page 2

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · September 24th, 2009

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Originally Posted by Mad

Excalibur, yeah you can upgrade from vista to Windows 7: Windows 7 editions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Windows 7 editions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Its also cheaper to do so, if you already have a copy of vista.

Yes you can, but it's still better to buy the real OS rather than an upgrade edition cuz upgrade means that's the only way you can get 7, in other words it ALWAYS has to be Vista first and then 7...which is just asking for unneccessary problems and annoyances. The propper OS version also allows an upgrade the one time you want to do that.

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Spyhop · September 24th, 2009

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Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

Yes you can, but it's still better to buy the real OS rather than an upgrade edition cuz upgrade means that's the only way you can get 7, in other words it ALWAYS has to be Vista first and then 7...which is just asking for unneccessary problems and annoyances.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You can still do clean installs with upgrade versions.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · September 24th, 2009

Well perhaps through trickery or a mistake on MSs part...but you should not be able to...otherwise an Upgrade Version would be sold for the exact same as the real deal.

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Spyhop · September 24th, 2009

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Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

Well perhaps through trickery or a mistake on MSs part

No, by design. You're making **** up according to how you think it should work according to it's description. The upgrade versions will install clean, it just briefly asks for your previous windows disc to verify that you own it. At least, XP did this, I haven't tried it since. It might not even ask you for that anymore.

If you're ever audited, you'd better be able to produce a valid vista license as well as the 7 upgrade license, but they almost never audit home users.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · September 24th, 2009

But then why are Upgrade versions so much cheaper? just for inconvenience of having to enter a previous licence and/or insert a previous disc?

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Spyhop · September 24th, 2009

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Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

But then why are Upgrade versions so much cheaper?

Wouldn't really call them cheaper. They're about the same price as OEM licenses. But they're cheaper than retail, sure, because MS is giving you a deal since you already own the previous version. Many software companies do this.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · September 24th, 2009

So then seeing as I own retail Vista Home Premium there's nothing stopping me from getting 7 Home Premium Upgrade or perhaps even Professional Upgrade even if I want to do future clean installs?

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Spyhop · September 24th, 2009

Right. But, again, I would opt for the OEM license so I wouldn't have to keep track of 2 separate licenses. An OEM runs about 150-200 bucks.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · September 24th, 2009

Wit the OEM licence you don't get as much support though should you need it?

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gamefreak94 · September 24th, 2009

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Spyhop · September 24th, 2009

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Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

Wit the OEM licence you don't get as much support though should you need it?

When do geeks like us ever need windows support?

Besides, the restriction behind OEM licensing is that it has to stay on the machine you buy it for, you can't transfer the license to another computer in the future. But, in reality, MS doesn't really care. I transfer OEMs all the time. Worst case scenario - you might have to do a phone activation after you transfer an OEM.

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zidine00 · September 24th, 2009

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Squall-Leonhart · September 24th, 2009

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No, by design. You're making **** up according to how you think it should work according to it's description. The upgrade versions will install clean, it just briefly asks for your previous windows disc to verify that you own it. At least, XP did this, I haven't tried it since. It might not even ask you for that anymore.

If you're ever audited, you'd better be able to produce a valid vista license as well as the 7 upgrade license, but they almost never audit home users.

Vista required a previous os installed to upgrade.
Windows 7 has returne to the disk check iirc.....
however afaik, the overinstall trick still works.

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BinarySlave · September 25th, 2009

This is the info I found:

Code:

Convert Win7 Ultimate to Pro or Home Premium
============================================
Here's the crux of the matter: If you put a DVD containing Win7 Ultimate in your PC
and run the installer — either by booting from the disc or running the setup program
from inside Windows — you end up with Win7 Ultimate. No surprises there.

However, if you first delete a tiny file named ei.cfg before making the installation
DVD, the Win7 installer will give you the following choices:
 Windows 7 Starter
 Windows 7 Home Basic
 Windows 7 Home Premium
 Windows 7 Professional
 Windows 7 Ultimate

Delete or rename \sources\ei.cfg before burning a Windows 7 installation DVD, and a
menu then allows you to select which version to install.

In fact, no matter which Win7 installation DVD you have — Ultimate, Pro, or Premium —
if you delete the ei.cfg file from the disc, you'll be offered the same choices and
can install any version of Windows 7.

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Squall-Leonhart · September 25th, 2009

That guide doesn't contain complete information.
You also need to extract the bootblock from the original DVD/Image and add it to the new project otherwise the new image/DVD will not be able to boot at startup.

you can use ultraiso to extract, and add the bootblock.

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BinarySlave · September 26th, 2009

Considering that one downloaded the official .iso provided by MS or made a .iso-backup
from it's own legally obtained DVD, it would be sufficient to just rename or delete the file with WinISO (or any other ISO editing tool) inside the image itself.
Without fiddling around with any boot-blocks.

...and yes, you are right Squall... the above info wasn't complete.
I am so used to WinISO (for me it is like using WinRAR) that I simply forgot to mention it.
I'm regularly updating my Boot-DVDs which contain rescue tools and backup software.
With WinISO this simply is a breeze.

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September 24th, 2009	#23 (permalink)
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Corrupt Rapist run South Africa Posts: 11,347	Well perhaps through trickery or a mistake on MSs part...but you should not be able to...otherwise an Upgrade Version would be sold for the exact same as the real deal. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

September 24th, 2009	#25 (permalink)
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Corrupt Rapist run South Africa Posts: 11,347	But then why are Upgrade versions so much cheaper? just for inconvenience of having to enter a previous licence and/or insert a previous disc? __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

September 24th, 2009	#27 (permalink)
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Corrupt Rapist run South Africa Posts: 11,347	So then seeing as I own retail Vista Home Premium there's nothing stopping me from getting 7 Home Premium Upgrade or perhaps even Professional Upgrade even if I want to do future clean installs? __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

September 24th, 2009	#28 (permalink)
Spyhop Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Edmonton Posts: 3,825	Right. But, again, I would opt for the OEM license so I wouldn't have to keep track of 2 separate licenses. An OEM runs about 150-200 bucks. __________________ WINTERFELL - C2D E8400 - DFI Lanparty JR P45-T2RS MATX Motherboard - Mushkin Redline PC2 8000 DDr2 - EVGA Geforce GTX 285 - Silverstone SG01 case RIVERRUN - Pentium DC 2.5ghz - 4GB OCZ DDR2 - Cheapie ASUS Motherboard w/onboard vid - Antec Sonata III KING'S LANDING - 80GB Playstation 3

September 24th, 2009	#29 (permalink)
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Corrupt Rapist run South Africa Posts: 11,347	Wit the OEM licence you don't get as much support though should you need it? __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

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September 25th, 2009	#35 (permalink)
Squall-Leonhart Behind ur girlfriend :D Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18,914	That guide doesn't contain complete information. You also need to extract the bootblock from the original DVD/Image and add it to the new project otherwise the new image/DVD will not be able to boot at startup. you can use ultraiso to extract, and add the bootblock. __________________ VBA-M \| Xtemu \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions \| TNHW \| XBCD 0.2.6 \| Satanic666's Emulator Compiles Don't be a NOOB, READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct Need Help with ePSXe? This is your first stop!. If you don't post all the required information, you don't get help. Everytime someone posts a romsite, God kills a beautiful woman.

September 26th, 2009	#36 (permalink)
BinarySlave Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: South of Nowhere Posts: 64	Considering that one downloaded the official .iso provided by MS or made a .iso-backup from it's own legally obtained DVD, it would be sufficient to just rename or delete the file with WinISO (or any other ISO editing tool) inside the image itself. Without fiddling around with any boot-blocks. ...and yes, you are right Squall... the above info wasn't complete. I am so used to WinISO (for me it is like using WinRAR) that I simply forgot to mention it. I'm regularly updating my Boot-DVDs which contain rescue tools and backup software. With WinISO this simply is a breeze. __________________ I will never ask for ROM, because I already know where it is... in Italy!