@ruanViewer 1.0 - MorphX

[@ruantec]

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

Something else you can also always do later on is perhaps a menu where it allows you to turn some of the filters off. So that your app can be more laptop friendly for instance, cuz people don't always need filters on every image, just some of them.

That sounds like a good idea mate anyways the filter isn´t the reason for the memory usage but more the GUI, features and other stuff i have in my viewer(Taking in mind that is being written using @ES classes and therefore it inherits a lot of the new @ES features which aren´t needed for the viewer)... other than the app he showed i do not use standard/overrated windows controls to manage or create my gui but i use my own custom controls entirely written by me and those have even small animations, pictures and some other stuff.

i really understand him tho.. but people keep judging apps just for what they see and don´t even compare the team/person or work time behind apps which is when the differences comes clear. every single app can be optimized but rarely a free app is optimized from the start so good things take time

since i own a laptop myself am going to do some tests and optimizations and make sure users like Tyo are able to use the app without problems anyways it is great people write there own views as they help me to improve my app

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[Tyo]

Originally Posted by @ruantec

yes i admit that it use a bit more resources than other apps atm and there are few reasons for that:

1. if you compare the 2nd pic you posted acdsee quick view picture is pixelized and looks ugly at that size while in @ruanViewer looks better because of the filters..that as you may guess could need some resources.

2. I use DX rather than GDI to render my stuff.

3. I haven´t tried acdsee quick view yet but i doubt it allows you to drag the pic around and move to the place you want the way my app does.. which as you may know its rendered using a animation that could take some cpu usage atm but it goes down to 0 after its done so it´s not like you´re putting it in your post that makes it look like it constanly use 60% when no animation is running .

4. @ruanViewer was released last sunday and its the result of about 12 hours of work in comparation to acdsee quick view which is maybe the result of several months of development and probably a team is behind while am a single coder.

5. @ruanViewer was released mainly to test abilities...optimizations has just started(faster animations and movements in comparation to the very first build)

all those points are the reason behind the problem you´re having... of course is meant to be light-weight actually but as a graphics designer myself i can´t stand to bring a crappy looking app that "Just" does the job(it´s not my style).

thank you very much for your suggestions and report and as usual am still working on it and optimizations are comming sooner than later.

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1. yup, quickview didn't apply filtering, so its quite pixelated on higher zoom. on 3rd image though, the full viewer (this is a different viewer, both part of acdsee photo manager) utilise filtering.

2. my poor intel GMA TT_TT

3. only goes arround 60 when i move it around, 0 when idle. all 3 comparison done when the app processing image, as in dragging the image arround. acdsee quick view (and full viewer) both allow user to drag pic arround, not in the same manner as yours, but only when the image it self is larger than the viewer port

4/5. i'm quite aware about that (don't mean to offend you though), and frankly i'm amaze at what you've done but well, you know, end user tend to do that ^_^ bear with us

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

Something else you can also always do later on is perhaps a menu where it allows you to turn some of the filters off. So that your app can be more laptop friendly for instance, cuz people don't always need filters on every image, just some of them.

exactly what i meant ^_^
also maybe a bit lighter on GUI side ^_^

Originally Posted by @ruantec

since i own a laptop myself am going to do some tests and optimizations and make sure users like Tyo are able to use the app without problems anyways it is great people write there own views as they help me to improve my app

i'll look forward for the next release

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Last edited by Tyo; September 16th, 2009 at 13:56..

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love it, love it,

Spoiler:

love it

but i except eagerly the next release ^.^

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[ozzgx4]

Ive just tried it out (after installing the framework :P) and I have one word: Excellent!

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[Matis]

Hadn't seen that you had released it, @ruan. Will test it once I'm at home(about 7 hours from now. >_>).

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[mine37388]

thanks @ruan!! been watching the development of this image viewer to replace Vista's photo viewer. In the latest version (@ruanViewer 1.0b fix) I found in viewing one of my gif files the viewer would crash as soon as the gif completed one loop of the animation. Will post the debug info that it gives.

Description:
Stopped working

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: CLR20r3
Problem Signature 01: aruanviewer.exe
Problem Signature 02: 0.0.0.0
Problem Signature 03: 4ab049f4
Problem Signature 04: mscorlib
Problem Signature 05: 2.0.0.0
Problem Signature 06: 49cc5797
Problem Signature 07: 20c7
Problem Signature 08: 100
Problem Signature 09: N3CTRYE2KN3C34SGL4ZQYRBFTE4M13NB
OS Version: 6.0.6002.2.2.0.768.3
Locale ID: 1033

EDIT: Also found this to be the only gif file of mine that it crashes on, works perfectly with others

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Last edited by mine37388; September 17th, 2009 at 03:09.. Reason: Additional info

[Bubbafat]

Building off of the idea before, i personally like the gui and stuff, makes it look sharp. But maybe an option to change it how the user sees, make it easier on the pc?

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[Matis]

Nice going, @ruan. As far as memory usage goes, it uses roughly 30 more MBs than XP's picture viewer, and though I got it to use 54% of my CPU through some frantic mouse scrolling, it shouldn't go over 20-30% at most under normal circumstances. It still has a lot of room for improvement, obviously, but so far, it's doing good.

Also, as someone else said, being able to use the arrow keys to skim through images in a folder would be nice. Also, shouldn't moving the image name to the "status bar" at the top(the one that says @ruanviewer) give a little better performance(negligible, of course, but hey)?

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[@ruantec]

Originally Posted by Tyo

2. my poor intel GMA TT_TT

..... that explains it i guess.. intel GPU chips sucks at many areas specially shaders as far as i know...

Originally Posted by Tyo

exactly what i meant ^_^
also maybe a bit lighter on GUI side ^_^

got it i´ll try to make a lite version later for all those people that use laptops or older puters.

Originally Posted by mine37388

thanks @ruan!! been watching the development of this image viewer to replace Vista's photo viewer. In the latest version (@ruanViewer 1.0b fix) I found in viewing one of my gif files the viewer would crash as soon as the gif completed one loop of the animation. Will post the debug info that it gives.

Description:
Stopped working

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: CLR20r3
Problem Signature 01: aruanviewer.exe
Problem Signature 02: 0.0.0.0
Problem Signature 03: 4ab049f4
Problem Signature 04: mscorlib
Problem Signature 05: 2.0.0.0
Problem Signature 06: 49cc5797
Problem Signature 07: 20c7
Problem Signature 08: 100
Problem Signature 09: N3CTRYE2KN3C34SGL4ZQYRBFTE4M13NB
OS Version: 6.0.6002.2.2.0.768.3
Locale ID: 1033

EDIT: Also found this to be the only gif file of mine that it crashes on, works perfectly with others

Thank you for your report. i´ve addressed the problem and already fixed. so it should play just fine in upcomming versions the reason for the crash is because the animation has some bad frames/data and causes the gif animation thread to crash while trying to render the actual frame.. other apps will for sure crash or freeze the animation aswell so it´s not just a @ruanViewer problem eventhough with the fix now the full animation should be played without problems as it skips the bad frame.

Originally Posted by Bubbafat

Building off of the idea before, i personally like the gui and stuff, makes it look sharp. But maybe an option to change it how the user sees, make it easier on the pc?

Originally Posted by Matis

Nice going, @ruan. As far as memory usage goes, it uses roughly 30 more MBs than XP's picture viewer, and though I got it to use 54% of my CPU through some frantic mouse scrolling, it shouldn't go over 20-30% at most under normal circumstances. It still has a lot of room for improvement, obviously, but so far, it's doing good.

Also, as someone else said, being able to use the arrow keys to skim through images in a folder would be nice. Also, shouldn't moving the image name to the "status bar" at the top(the one that says @ruanviewer) give a little better performance(negligible, of course, but hey)?

Thank you guys for your great posts i´ll keep that in mind and make sure the next release have the mentioned features

Regards
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Forgot to mention i also have a intel gma.

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[@ruantec]

Originally Posted by Mad

Forgot to mention i also have a intel gma.

mmmm that explains it... @ES classes were written to work on every machine but if your machine isn´t capable to process stuff using hardware acceleration the code changes and it renders everything using GDI+ instead which would explain why is consuming such amount of resources and cpu power.....

GDI+ itself is quite slow and it doesn´t support Hardware acceleration so probably that´s the reason for the issues... anyways i´ll investigate the case soon.

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[KaOSoFt]

First, I have a complain: no one said anything about this thread in the other thread, where I was pressing F5 like mad waiting for the application... I hate you. There, I said it.

I'm on Windows 7 (x86), Intel Core 2 Q6600, EVGA nVidia GeForce 8800GT, and I must say I'm quite impressed with what's been done in so few hours of development.

Now, there are some things I'd like to clarify/report:

1. How do the image sorting/viewing works? Alphabetically? Smart sorting? Sometimes it doesn't go the way I'd had thought.

2. For some reason, in some folders, I open the first image, and using the arrows in @ruanViewer it won't go forward, I have to go backwards. I press >, but it simply won't display the next image. The button animation works, but it doesn't move to the next image. Like I said, it's in some folders, or more likely, with some files. I can go through the folder going backwards, but that's not what I wanted.

3. I've had some crashes, but unfortunately, I haven't waited for it to generate a dump. I would just close it by force. Most have happened with the same images.

4. There should be an option that, if you reach the end of the folder (last file), it should go back to the first image if you press Forward. I'm always stuck whenever I reach the end of the images folder.

If you need anything else, just let me know. I'm looking forward to this! Nice work!

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Natural sorting : alphanumerical iirc.

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Originally Posted by KaOSoFt

First, I have a complain: no one said anything about this thread in the other thread, where I was pressing F5 like mad waiting for the application... I hate you. There, I said it.

I'm on Windows 7 (x86), Intel Core 2 Q6600, EVGA nVidia GeForce 8800GT, and I must say I'm quite impressed with what's been done in so few hours of development.

Now, there are some things I'd like to clarify/report:

1. How do the image sorting/viewing works? Alphabetically? Smart sorting? Sometimes it doesn't go the way I'd had thought.

2. For some reason, in some folders, I open the first image, and using the arrows in @ruanViewer it won't go forward, I have to go backwards. I press >, but it simply won't display the next image. The button animation works, but it doesn't move to the next image. Like I said, it's in some folders, or more likely, with some files. I can go through the folder going backwards, but that's not what I wanted.

3. I've had some crashes, but unfortunately, I haven't waited for it to generate a dump. I would just close it by force. Most have happened with the same images.

4. There should be an option that, if you reach the end of the folder (last file), it should go back to the first image if you press Forward. I'm always stuck whenever I reach the end of the images folder.

If you need anything else, just let me know. I'm looking forward to this! Nice work!

mmmm i forgot to post in the other thread about this one... sorry for make you press F5 that long .

A: 1. There is no sorting atm(comming with the next release).

A: 2. Atm the @ruanViewer opens the files supported and load them into an object array and set the currentpic counter depending at what index your pic is in the array.. that is going to change in the next release where the pic you just opened its the first item then the rest.

A: 3. Crashes as explained in one of my previous posts its caused by some gif animation that has some bad data in it.. the problem is fixed in the upcomming version tho.

A: 4. Sounds like a great idea... added to my todo list at the top

Regards
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[SCHUMI_4EVER]

I would like to add to point 4, yes the viewer should return to the beginning once it reaches the end, but it would be great to have the viewer actually display a message that you reached the end.

So it should be 2nd last pic-> Last Pic-> Message that it's the end->Return to the beginning.

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Woah, is looking awesome.

Just did some quick tests with "v1.0b fix": Using ~900x1200 JPEG images, size 100-350 KiB
Athlon II X2 240 + GF7300GT

Moving and zooming, ~50% (100% of a core)
Rotating, 20%. (looks really smooth)
Next and previous, up to 30%. of CPU usage.

Spamming the next button (178 images) increased cpu usage up to ~90% and ~220 MiB memory usage.

I second the suggestion of having the arrow keys behave as previous and next.
Also, perhaps some transition effect between images?

Oh, and that executable icon deserves a bigger version. XD

Keep it up! Is very nice.

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[Zack]

Any chance of a OS X version ?

Nice project mate

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not unless OSX suddenly supports .net 3.5 :crazy:

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Originally Posted by Zack

Any chance of a OS X version ?

Nice project mate

see first page for linux support...

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Originally Posted by Shin_Gouki

see first page for linux support...

Thanks

I seemed to have missed that post when reading though.

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