Vista: good or bad?

[gamefreak94]

Just wondering whether I should install Vista on my PC. Specifications and hardware shouldn't be a problem but many people still say that I'll get far better performance if I stick to Windows XP and that Vista has security and stability issues. In the face of all this criticism, is there any upside to installing Vista? Is DirectX 10 available for XP?

[Squall-Leonhart]

Vista is harder on system memory then XP, so if your ram is poor/weak/bad it will show alot more prevalent on vista.

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[Glaedrin]

Also, if you are completely used to where all of the administrative utilities are... you will hate it. Oh, and it has random weird stuff happen to it as well (network connection will just die for no reason, it will spin up the HDD on idle, etc.)

Not to mention the fact that 95% of all businesses have passed on Vista. (It really has to have problems if businesses are sticking up their crosses and running away)

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[GaveUpTomorrow]

I've been using Vista for almost a year now and I've never had any problems. I used XP for years before buying/building a new computer that came with Vista, and I haven't minded the upgrade at all. If you have XP and are buying Vista, it may not be worth it. But if you are getting a new computer, you might as well throw Vista on it.

Yes, many of the administrative utilities and smaller things that the common user wouldn't use have been hidden or changed to some degree, but a little bit of experience and patience will get you around that.

As for security and stability, I've had no problems with that as well. My computer has never crashed, never got a BSOD, etc. With XP, I used to get random crashes from time to time, so Vista has really been a blessing in that sense.

@Glaedrin: Also, I've never heard of anyone having the network connection die for no reason or HDD spinning up for no reason. It certainly hasn't happened to me...not anymore than it would on XP anyways.

People are really too hard on Vista though...it is actually a really great OS if people would just give it a chance rather than being scared of change. Remember when XP came out and everyone was using 2000? Everyone bashed XP, saying how horrible it was and unstable...just a tweaked up GUI. With updates it became a great OS and now everyone praises it over Vista. Well I think that Vista is now at the point with updates that it easily surpasses XP and there is no reason to stick with XP if getting a new computer or just feel like an upgrade.

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[Squall-Leonhart]

I'm going to buy a bomb shelter just because of this thread.... if ref sees it.......

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[Glaedrin]

Well me being an IT undergrad, I can reliably tell you that ID10T and IBKAC errors have skyrocketed following the introduction of Vista (or as many in the industry call it ME II)

Not only has this probably led to more palm-to-forehead moments than we were alloted for this decade, but these "few changes" in the administrative utilities are vastly understated (why do we need 3 different pages for network settings?)

Now, this doesn't mean that an IT person cannot (after many hours of learning) be somewhat proficient in this OS, but the fact is that it now takes more than twice as many clicks to fix normal problems (more difficult problems are another story)

And the only way I would "upgrade" is if I get Server 2008, as it dumps all of the half-assed "features" for a no frills processing power-house.

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[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

Vista is harder on system memory then XP, so if your ram is poor/weak/bad it will show alot more prevalent on vista.

Statement not fair. All OS's require more memory than the versions that precede them. Leopard is a mem hungry bastard too.

Since SP1 Vista has been fine. Just turn off UAC and Search Indexing.

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[Squall-Leonhart]

You read the sentence wrong, i said HARDER ON MEMORY, not that it requires more.

Vista is more likely to crash because ram is out of spec (timing / voltage) then XP or any previous version of windows.

Well me being an IT undergrad, I can reliably tell you that ID10T and IBKAC errors have skyrocketed following the introduction of Vista (or as many in the industry call it ME II)

Not only has this probably led to more palm-to-forehead moments than we were alloted for this decade, but these "few changes" in the administrative utilities are vastly understated (why do we need 3 different pages for network settings?)

Now, this doesn't mean that an IT person cannot (after many hours of learning) be somewhat proficient in this OS, but the fact is that it now takes more than twice as many clicks to fix normal problems (more difficult problems are another story)

And the only way I would "upgrade" is if I get Server 2008, as it dumps all of the half-assed "features" for a no frills processing power-house.

I'm still waiting for an nvidia installer that works properly on X64, time and time again, it fails to register the 32bit portions of the driver.

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[Glaedrin]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

Statement not fair. All OS's require more memory than the versions that precede them. Leopard is a mem hungry bastard too.

Well you are wrong there...

Many Linux distributions do not use much more RAM than their previous iterations, this is because of their ingenious Kernel and very good memory management (hence kickass server OS)

Don't believe me? Take a look at their min specs (read'em-n-weep)

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

I'm still waiting for an nvidia installer that works properly on X64, time and time again, it fails to register the 32bit portions of the driver.

Usually it's up to both companies to work together on this (Microsoft sure did help NVIDIA with their ME II drivers), could be that NVIDIA and Microsoft are focusing more on ME II as it is being forced into nearly every new PC in the market. Aren't near monopoly's great?

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[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by Glaedrin

Well you are wrong there...

Many Linux distributions do not use much more RAM than their previous iterations, this is because of their ingenious Kernel and very good memory management (hence kickass server OS)

Linux is a different beast. With the exception of Ubuntu and a few others, most linux distros aren't meant for the desktop market. I was referring to the desktop OSs.......upgrades of which usually include more features and more eye candy.

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[Glaedrin]

Um are you calling the effects that Linux does have not eye-candy? Just because it can render them more efficiently on OpenGL than Windows can with DX 10 dose not mean they aren't there...?

Before you go on with your ignorance on this subject try reading this very well written article and watch the vid, it will probably blow your mind.

A Better Introduction to Linux User Interface | LinuxHaxor.net

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[Squall-Leonhart]

err just to point out, Aero(Glass) is Dx9. Which is partially why it runs like crap.

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[Glaedrin]

Actually, to make it more specific, it is Direct X 9.1

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[Squall-Leonhart]

there is no Dx9.1 specification, you refer to Dx9L which also goes by Dx9-Ex

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[gamefreak94]

By the way, is there a DirectX 10 version available for Windows XP, I've heard of some Alky's version of DirectX 10 that supposedly works on XP but all download links to it that I could find were dead. Is it true that DirectX 10 significantly improves graphics rendering?

[strike105x]

Vista can run pretty decent with the right resources like a dual core cpu and arround 2 GB RAM and at least an 8 MB cache HDD recomended will be a 16 MB cahce thow, but the compatibillty with emulation isnt that great as with XP (i'm suprised nobody said anything about this after all this is a emulation site ) ) So with vista its all about computer specs and what you will be using it for. As for DirectX 10 it all depends on the game, but in theory yes directX 10 is a big improvement when it comes to graphics and no there is no DirectX 10 for XP yet apart from some beta DLL's moded by some guy i forgot he's name

AND NOW ABOUT LINUX: ALL linux distros are meant for Desktops its just that you have alot of work to do on them alot of configuring but there alot more cooler with the eye candy than any version of Windows. I tried linux a few times and from my personal experience i can say it rulles when it comes to eye candy

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[makotech222]

all emus work fine for me..

vista 64 has been pretty good for me. only a few problems here and there. like today, i installed a game that uses starforce (yeah my mistake) and it restarted my computer and wouldnt allow windows to boot. took an hour to get my computer up and running so i uninstalled starforce with the tool and just cracked the game :P

also, some mmorpgs use xtrapper for hacker protection, which is incompatible with x64, so i cant play those games but thats pretty much it for vista.

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[mudlord]

By the way, is there a DirectX 10 version available for Windows XP, I've heard of some Alky's version of DirectX 10 that supposedly works on XP but all download links to it that I could find were dead. Is it true that DirectX 10 significantly improves graphics rendering?

No.

There is no DX10 for XP.

And yes, in theory, DX10 offers some benefits for developers. However, OpenGL can do pretty much the same thing and offers geometry shaders under XP.

[Squall-Leonhart]

its all aload of bs if you ask me, XP can run Dx10, and theres no reason it would need a massive change to the os, just backport Dx10 to XP, we don't need the memory virtualisation or any of the TDR Bs, just the effects...

i still can't believe people buy MS's bs so easily.

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[gamefreak94]

Ubuntu is a great OS. Can I have it alongside XP or will it reset the Master Boot Record (MBR) in its own way