Vista: good or bad?

[P_RePTiLe]

vLite - Windows Vista configuration tool - Vista
http://www.nliteos.com/ - Xp

That's what i will be doing when i have to leave my XP.
I already made my own version of my xp-sp2 disc.

It gives you the possibility to make a custom installation for _your_ machine - instead of going with the silly Ms-defaults.

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I hate defaults...lol.

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[psychodude]

I've used XP ever since it was still code named Whistler, and directly from the start people flamed and cursed XP. Was it valid to curse XP? Hell yeh, especially pre SP-1 it was a horrible OS with frequent BSoD's, lockups and slowdowns on running for 48 hours you weren't particularly proud of.

Overtime I ditched XP, really if anything was an ME II it was XP. I stepped over to windows 2003 the moment I got the chance and it was definitely worth it, finally an OS which was windows based and could run for not just a day and remain solid but could easily run up to 3 months without needing a reboot. Due to powercuts and such interfering at times I never really made it past that.

As Vista beta became available to the public I began using that, it was resource heavy unfortunately so ran it secondary. The moment I bought a new system earlier on this year though I've installed vista 64 directly along with it, works like a gods gift. Summary of the past 4~5 months of usage: 0 BSoD's, 0 crashes, 0 lockups, 0 driver failures and like 5~10 reboots or so performed.

Now that's what I call rock solid.

[S.SubZero]

Originally Posted by psychodude

Overtime I ditched XP, really if anything was an ME II it was XP. I stepped over to windows 2003 the moment I got the chance and it was definitely worth it, finally an OS which was windows based and could run for not just a day and remain solid but could easily run up to 3 months without needing a reboot. Due to powercuts and such interfering at times I never really made it past that.

No reasonable system admin runs a Windows server, especially an internet facing one, for three months without a reboot. Windows Update alone guarantees that.

I could run an XP machine indefinitely if it came down to ignoring updates. Vista x64 seems no different. Performs very nice for me and everything I throw at it runs without issue.

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[DB7]

Originally Posted by PCXL-Fan

But either way the additional 1gb of ram he will definitely see speed increases right? Particularily with loading apps and starting up windows. He doesn't do any intensive tasks besides watching a dvd on his computer.

Yes he will notice a speed increase. When I first got my current PC it came with just 512mb of RAM and Vista Basic, I will not lie to you when I say it was a horrible experience.

A short while later I got the cash to get a gig stick of RAM (the sticks from my previous PC were not compatible) and Vista became a whole other experience with 1.5gb. It was a lot quicker and responsive.

As far as I see it nobody wants the next incarnation of Windows to do less than the previous version, now I fully admit I know nothing about programming, but wouldn't keeping all the old features and compatibility, with adding more for current technology, mean that the operating system has to increase in size?

[MT]

I've used XP ever since it was still code named Whistler,

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Only saw a few screenies of it. :/

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[PCXL-Fan]

Originally Posted by DB7

As far as I see it nobody wants the next incarnation of Windows to do less than the previous version, now I fully admit I know nothing about programming, but wouldn't keeping all the old features and compatibility, with adding more for current technology, mean that the operating system has to increase in size?

DB7 thanks for answering my question. =)
Hmmm, well according to chaosblader if its going to have the same resource consuming features as vista and being based off of previous versions of windows its at the very least going to take as much but most likely more.

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[mudlord]

but wouldn't keeping all the old features and compatibility, with adding more for current technology, mean that the operating system has to increase in size?

No.

There is such thing as size optimization. Something that most commercial developers fail to comprehend.

[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by mudlord

No.

There is such thing as size optimization. Something that most commercial developers fail to comprehend.

I'm sure they comprehend it just fine. They usually don't hand dev jobs out to unqualified people. It's the marketting department that gets their hands on this **** and bloats it half the time. Marketers have this nasty habit of telling the public what they want. They do it with games all the time.

That said, most of their market isn't geeks. It's the average computer user. They have no interest in doing things the way geeks would prefer they be done because average joe user has different values. We want leaner programs to be sure. Average Joe wants crazy desktop effects, neat slideshow effects, bright lights and sounds. Most of the money comes from average joe so that's who they try to please.

But still, I don't really care because I still have the options to turn all the bullsh** off.

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[psychodude]

Originally Posted by DB7

As far as I see it nobody wants the next incarnation of Windows to do less than the previous version, now I fully admit I know nothing about programming, but wouldn't keeping all the old features and compatibility, with adding more for current technology, mean that the operating system has to increase in size?

Yeh, but well that's why Microsoft doesn't keep all the old. For example directx 10 they came with so they could throw all the old out of that package and keep that smaller. Another example is how many drivers they killed off when transferring from XP to Vista. Many of the old stuff was simply thrown out because it would get way too much and loading it all in wouldn't be efficient, booting up would take even longer than XP that way and definitely not what you want.

Still though they have way too much which gets loaded in, and although such a default install like that is nice there should be the option to do things more customized. For example I don't have several thousand pieces of hardware within or attached to my computer, so I don't need those drivers to be loaded in. Upon installing it should simply scan my computer for what is there and give me the option whatever more to set what I desire but ending up with a very limited amount actually installed that way.

Also when it comes to the additional stuff it installs such as media player, ie, wordpad, paint, dull windows games, etc. It's all nice and such that the option is there, but I don't need it and I definitely shouldn't be needing to use a customized installer to get rid of that. Microsoft should allow their users to pick on what to install and what not if they desire. That way a new operating system doesn't have to increase in size that much as all of the useless stuff is left out.

[DB7]

I don't disagree psychodude, one of the things I miss in Windows XP and Vista is the option during install to pick what features I wanted. I far preferred this to having to create a custom disc with nlite or vlite.

You can install DX9 on Vista, it'll sit quite happily alongside version 10, for those games and programs that require the previous version.

[Glaedrin]

Originally Posted by S.SubZero

No reasonable system admin runs a Windows server, especially an internet facing one, for three months without a reboot. Windows Update alone guarantees that.

This is ludicrous, no Network Administrator in the industry would agree with you! It is strict policy to ignore updates because 9 times out of 10 they make your system more unstable (yes, updates fix some issues, but usually bring others)

And you NEVER let a Server face the internet, a Server has to be behind a robust Firewall (such as ISA) Every Network Admin is rated by how long they can keep their server operational (a downtime of under 5% in a year is exceptional)

Every minute a server is down you are losing money, so in this case, time = money, simple as that

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[Samor]

Originally Posted by Spyhop

Average Joe wants crazy desktop effects, neat slideshow effects, bright lights and sounds. Most of the money comes from average joe so that's who they try to please.

actually, they could've done some more fancy 3d tricks than just lining up the windows in 3d. I mean, Linux has more fancy 3d effects than Vista has, even though the people who use that are not quite average Joes, usually.

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[S.SubZero]

Originally Posted by Glaedrin

This is ludicrous, no Network Administrator in the industry would agree with you! It is strict policy to ignore updates because 9 times out of 10 they make your system more unstable (yes, updates fix some issues, but usually bring others)

The last few Windows Admin jobs I had did Windows updates on a fairly regular schedule. They rarely omitted any update.

Originally Posted by Glaedrin

And you NEVER let a Server face the internet, a Server has to be behind a robust Firewall (such as ISA) Every Network Admin is rated by how long they can keep their server operational (a downtime of under 5% in a year is exceptional)

LOL. The web site you are typing on right now.. it's internet facing, sir. We couldn't be here otherwise. It could be behind 400 firewalls but at some point the server needs to serve a page and to do that, it's gotta face the internet.

Originally Posted by Glaedrin

Every minute a server is down you are losing money, so in this case, time = money, simple as that

A company that is fully aware of that has redundancy in place. If it's SO critical, you have two of them, if not four of them.

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any admin with a brain does robust testing of updates on several different machines before rolling them out onto the main system.

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btw can I get DirectX 10 to work on XP? I heard of an Alky's version that does, but it said "Install at your own risk, this has been known to cause severe instability" I really dont need it almost all games will owrk on 9.0c but its just a curiosity, it is said that it offers way better graphics rendering, does it?

[runawayprisoner]

No, you can't get DirectX 10 to work on XP. That gimmick DirectX 10 on XP thing was kind of like... a set of library that was emulating some DX10 specific calls in software, thus letting some DX10 demo's work, but that method is not going to work for full-fledged games and applications.

And DX10 offers noticeable visual enhancements at the loss of noticeable performance. Plus... your graphics card has to support it.

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[Naix]

One of the main advantage in Vista is that many malwares cannot create their own processeses. Security may be one of the disadvantage but it is works as an advantage sometimes in vista.

But if u are not really a technical person in computers XP is always the "B"est choice.

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[Squall-Leonhart]

Can anyone tell me what i have to do to fix the 'Vista freezes when ethernet cable is connected' bug? trying to fix a friends laptop.

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[Spyhop]

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

Can anyone tell me what i have to do to fix the 'Vista freezes when ethernet cable is connected' bug? trying to fix a friends laptop.

Never seen that. Unless this is a known vista bug I would suspect network interface drivers frist. Try using the latest manufacturer's drivers.

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