FRAPS vs. Hypercam

[HI-TECH]

Which one is better and why?

[Hard core Rikki]

FRAPS, definitely.

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[BigIg]

Isn't hypercam more for screencasting, and fraps for game recording?

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[cottonvibes]

i havn't tried hypercam.

but by its name, i don't think it tells you the game's FPS, which Fraps does...

i mainly use FRAPS to know the FPS i'm getting.

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[Exodus]

FRAPS. I've tried many recording software, and that's the one that does things the fastest. The reason may be because FRAPS goes to the video buffer, while all others just record the output... I think.

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[The General]

Can someone help me, i notice that fraps doesn't work with certain games. It will work in the main menu, but as soon as i get into the game, it doesn't recognized it. Can you config fraps or something, because i don't see a config file.

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[mudlord]

FRAPS, definitely.

With it making global system hooks, which infect into every running process?

No thankyou

Least Camtasia is nowhere near that intrusive.

[cottonvibes]

Originally Posted by mudlord

With it making global system hooks, which infect into every running process?

No thankyou

Least Camtasia is nowhere near that intrusive.

how do you know it "infects into every running process?"

i think it only targets directX and openGL apps.


and is there really a problem if it does?

its not a virus or anything, its not installing spyware into your PC...


i don't understand why people are so paranoid about some applications.

the majority of programmers are good people that want to help, they're not all spyware h4x0rs that enjoy stealing your credit card numbers and flooding your computer with popup ads...

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[Lord Budweiser]

The problem is that those altruistic ways can be exploited by other programs. Just take a look at Starforce.

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[mudlord]

how do you know it "infects into every running process?"

i think it only targets directX and openGL apps.

Wrong

It targets ANY application, regardless of API. Which is wrong and ineffective.

and is there really a problem if it does?

Yes, there is.

[cottonvibes]

Originally Posted by Lord Budweiser

The problem is that those altruistic ways can be exploited by other programs. Just take a look at Starforce.

i have yet to hear of a FRAPS exploit.

it really seems like an innocent program to me and perhaps embedding itself into other processes is just to check if their will be a directX or openGL device from that process.

Originally Posted by mudlord

Wrong

It targets ANY application, regardless of API. Which is wrong and ineffective.



Yes, there is.

okay after reading that article i can see that it might not be the most efficient solution.

but like i said, "is there really anything wrong with that?"


you say there is... well care to elaborate?


to me it dosn't really seem like a problem, but more of an inconvenience.

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[StriderVM]

Well, I think what mudlord is saying is when, since the idea always exists, time will tell when a person will have a nice idea of ruining people's computers by using FRAPS.

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[mudlord]

you say there is... well care to elaborate?

Security holes.

Fraps.dll creates a global system hook. It is then possible to maliciously exploit this to do whatever you want. Starforce had exactly the same issue.

Seriously, there is much better ways than to blindly create a global system hook to sink its tendrils into any process.

[Hard core Rikki]

FRAPS does hook into everything (including Firefox, btw. You may check with youtube.com fullscreened vids with ffdshow installed, counter shows and sshoting available).
To alleviate such a concern, maintaining a small withlist/blocklist for the fraps process is as optimal as it gets (allowed only in the games currently installed, and obviously blocked from dev softs, debuggers and similar stuff, though just preventing interprocess memory access rights sounds as nice).

Quite offtopic, btw.
Last note: ZD Recorder is a very good alternative to FRAPS worth considering. Seriously, why was Hypercam even mentioned??

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[SCHUMI_4EVER]

And that's the reason firewalls and other protection software exists mudlord.

ATI Tray tools also changes the global system hook. It's the FPS monitor which seems to do it I guess...thanks to my firewall I can either allow or block it though...not that I would ever block it.

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[mudlord]

And that's the reason firewalls and other protection software exists mudlord.

Oh? So we install a program that is potentially playing with fire and we say "Oh we have other software, that should be enough to protect us".

I rather remove the threat than living with FRAPS >.>

[SCHUMI_4EVER]

no...we cover our paranoid little rear, by using a paranoid program to protect one last small and unlikely security hole in an otherwise harmless and awesome app.

You do know that you could be swallowed in an earthquake any second? that a meteor could hit your house any second? that any number of fatal accidents might befall you at any second? how are you planning to protect yourself? Do you prefer to live your life in constant fear of these miniscule possibilities? or would you rather enjoy life whilst you can and most likely die happily from natural causes at the ripe old age of 93 years?

Absolutely any software COULD be a threat you know. Block those that are really bad...in other words those known to cause damage. Enjoy the awesomeness of the rest.

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[Hard core Rikki]

@ Schumi:

.......
any uncontrolled hooks are VERY bad for development, and environments requiring significant control over security policies.
I know I would not enjoy debugging if hooks and interprocess stuff kept corrupting the memory range of every soft tested/run all the time.

Now that due mention has been made about earthquackes and meteors, please keep this ontopic, and no longer offtopic...


As a final note: ZD Soft is pretty closely as efficient as FRAPS. It certainly doesnt have the damn slowdown effect on ressource-intensive games. Direct encodes into Xvid certainly are more optimal than hddbuffer-taxing uncompressed or lossless vid captures.

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[mudlord]

no...we cover our paranoid little rear, by using a paranoid program to protect one last small and unlikely security hole in an otherwise harmless and awesome app.

Otherwise harmless?

You got to be kidding me.

ANY program that blindly uses global system hooks is a security threat. And should be dealt with as such. And I fail to see how FRAPS is awesome.

But if you want to live with security holes, go ahead. Maybe for you, it is not a security threat as you do not work in environments where security can't be compromised at all.

You do know that you could be swallowed in an earthquake any second? that a meteor could hit your house any second? that any number of fatal accidents might befall you at any second? how are you planning to protect yourself? Do you prefer to live your life in constant fear of these miniscule possibilities? or would you rather enjoy life whilst you can and most likely die happily from natural causes at the ripe old age of 93 years?

Now you are going WAY OT.

[SCHUMI_4EVER]

it was an example for what I saw mudlord as doing...not offtopic as I see it. But yes I shall stop now, this is my last post in this topic (unless discussion changes to a significantly better app) and it's just for your info mudlord. ATI Tray tools apparently also changes the global hook so you may want to stay away from it aswell.

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