Windows Xp Professional x64

Somaz · 2 Weeks Ago

Windows XP Professional x64 has the WoW 64 (Windows on Windows 64) system that allows you to run 32-bit programms.

Some people say that Windows XP x64 can't run some of the 32-bit programms, but then what about WoW 64 ?

My question is:
Why are people affraid to change to x64?
I want to do it to increase my max RAM ammount to 4 gb (I have Win XP pro SP2).

What's the prob, if x64 runs fine with the 32-bit applications? Am I getting something wrong? And how is this concerning pcsx2?

**refraction** · 2 Weeks Ago

there isnt any problems with running 32bit programs on XP 64. WoW64 auto kicks in for 32bit programs. the usual "gripe" is drivers, they are even to this day a pain sometimes, althought things are much better than they use to be.

Also PCSX2 runs fine (both versions)

cottonvibes · 2 Weeks Ago

like ref said,
running apps isn't the problem, its drivers (usually)

i use a gamepad driver that they only have a 32bit version of.

so gamming on a 64bit OS, i can't use my gamepad... so it sux0rs :/

Somaz · 2 Weeks Ago

Why doesn't x64 use WoW for the rivers then

?

**refraction** · 2 Weeks Ago

drivers = hardware abstration layer
apps = application layer.

it works on an application layer level

KillerShots · 2 Weeks Ago

It's also poorly written programs. Some programs look at the Operating System string, and if it's not the same thing that they're looking for, they refuse to run. Of course, they don't bother checking for the XP 64 string, so you get software that won't run (only because XP 64 is identified as XP 64). I don't see this very often in games (in fact, the last game that did this was way back in the 98/XP transition days), but commercial applications do this. Generally, if the quality control department sucks, you end up with sucky software - it's that simple.

S.SubZero · 2 Weeks Ago

XP64 actually likes to identify itself as Windows Server 2003, since it's that OS with the server stuff stripped out. XP64 even uses 2003's updates and service packs.

I like XP64 a lot. I do have a couple of devices I can't seem to get drivers for, a webcam and an infrared port on my laptop, but otherwise I've found drivers for everything. It is a bit of a hunt, as XP64 drivers don't tend to be conveniently located. I ended up using drivers meant for other laptops for some of my stuff.

While I see XP64 surviving for a long time (as long as Server 2003) I am not going to use it in the future. I already converted one laptop over to Vista x64, and one has been delegated the "Hackintosh test bed", so the only thing I have XP64 on currently is my gaming desktop. I am thinking of upgrading it, and it will probably get Vista as well.

ready2rumbelX · 2 Weeks Ago

Honestly speaking, x64 is quite stable and the support is there. I've encountered no problems using XP x64 and it ran flawless (whether x86 or x64 apps).

The only headache of an O/S, that's x64,is Vista. It's stable and runs on the same premise as XP x64 but it's M$'s infuriating "Driver Signing" that's a massive pain in the Buttootoo.

Anyone who's on XP MCE/SP2 x86, i'd recommend switching to x64...if you can.

Although, before doing so, investigate and research into the drivers for all your hardware and software you ususally use...if it all checks out, go for it.

Note: Some software says it doesn't necessarily support x64, but works fine anyway.

r2rX

Squall-Leonhart · 2 Weeks Ago

WoW64 can't run all x32 apps, there are a few out there which won't run.

the big issue is XP64 cannot run 16bit apps, so alot of your old ntvdm apps are gone. (use dosbox)

Xtreme2damax · 2 Weeks Ago

I've had a few games that refused to install because it kept complaining it wasn't compatible with my version of Windows even though the game ran perfectly fine once installed.

To remedy this problem, I had to make an image of my disc, download orca, manually edit the msi file, replace the msi file on the image with the edited one using MagicISO, mount with Daemon Tools and install.

Quite a workaround just to install a game that refuses to install when it actually works fine once you are able to get it installed.

Other than some small hitches I haven't had any problems running applications on either the 64-bit XP Pro or Vista 64-bit.

SCHUMI-4-EVA · 2 Weeks Ago

You have Vista 64bit now X2DM? I thought you only got XP64?

Xtreme2damax · 2 Weeks Ago

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCHUMI-4-EVA

You have Vista 64bit now X2DM? I thought you only got XP64?

Arghhh Matey, walk ze plank.

Yes I got Vista 64 now through hard work and dedication.

SCHUMI-4-EVA · 2 Weeks Ago

So I guess that means your job is workin out for ya? I'm glad for ya.

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Somaz Narutard warcraft mapper Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Latvia Posts: 116	Windows Xp Professional x64 Windows XP Professional x64 has the WoW 64 (Windows on Windows 64) system that allows you to run 32-bit programms. Some people say that Windows XP x64 can't run some of the 32-bit programms, but then what about WoW 64 ? My question is: Why are people affraid to change to x64? I want to do it to increase my max RAM ammount to 4 gb (I have Win XP pro SP2). What's the prob, if x64 runs fine with the 32-bit applications? Am I getting something wrong? And how is this concerning pcsx2?

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refraction PCSX2 Coder $refraction's Avatar$ Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Plymouth, UK Posts: 9,278	there isnt any problems with running 32bit programs on XP 64. WoW64 auto kicks in for 32bit programs. the usual "gripe" is drivers, they are even to this day a pain sometimes, althought things are much better than they use to be. Also PCSX2 runs fine (both versions) __________________ http://www.generalemu.net/ Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.4Ghz (425x8), eVGA 8800GTX 768mb, 996Gb HDs, 2Gb Corsair DDR2-800 @ DDR2-1020 5-5-5-18 Dual Channel, 14605 3dMark 06 Points CPU-Z Link 3dMark06 Score Link Dont PM me for help, use the forums, thats what its for!
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cottonvibes NGemu's Kawaii Neechan ;) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,693	like ref said, running apps isn't the problem, its drivers (usually) i use a gamepad driver that they only have a 32bit version of. so gamming on a 64bit OS, i can't use my gamepad... so it sux0rs :/ __________________ PC Specs: AMD X2 4400+ @ 2.921 Ghz, 1.47 vCore \| G92 8800 GTS 512mb @ 740/1944\| 4GB Dual Channel OCZ Memory @ 835 Mhz (5-4-4-15-2T) \| 700 Watt PSU \| DVD-RW Drive \| 500 GB Hitachi SATA II Hard Drive, 30 GB & 40 GB Western Digital IDE Hard Drives \| 1920x1080 40" LCD Flat Pannel HDTV monitor \| Consoles: 1 PS3 (60 GB), 2 PS2s, 1 PS, 3 GBAs, 1 GB, and 1 old school NES Having troubles with PCSX2? Check out my guide to get it running correctly. Running PCSX2 Guide for Noobs

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refraction PCSX2 Coder $refraction's Avatar$ Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Plymouth, UK Posts: 9,278	drivers = hardware abstration layer apps = application layer. it works on an application layer level __________________ http://www.generalemu.net/ Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.4Ghz (425x8), eVGA 8800GTX 768mb, 996Gb HDs, 2Gb Corsair DDR2-800 @ DDR2-1020 5-5-5-18 Dual Channel, 14605 3dMark 06 Points CPU-Z Link 3dMark06 Score Link Dont PM me for help, use the forums, thats what its for!
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KillerShots War Games coder Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,909	It's also poorly written programs. Some programs look at the Operating System string, and if it's not the same thing that they're looking for, they refuse to run. Of course, they don't bother checking for the XP 64 string, so you get software that won't run (only because XP 64 is identified as XP 64). I don't see this very often in games (in fact, the last game that did this was way back in the 98/XP transition days), but commercial applications do this. Generally, if the quality control department sucks, you end up with sucky software - it's that simple. __________________ Primary CPU: Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Mobo: Biostar N4SLI-A9 RAM: 2G Crucial (DDR400) Video: eVGA GeForce 7900 GTX (512M) Audio: HDA X-Mystique HD(s): Maxtor 300G SATA2, Samsung 400G SATA2 OS(s): WinXP x64 Pro, Vista x32 Ultimate, Gentoo x64 Monitor(s): Primary - 19" Flat Panel (1280x1024) Secondary - 19" Flat Panel (1280x1024) Tertiary - Zenith 42" Plasma TV (1024x768 res) Many other machines... sig too short

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Somaz Narutard warcraft mapper Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Latvia Posts: 116	Why doesn't x64 use WoW for the rivers then ?

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S.SubZero XP64 User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 957	XP64 actually likes to identify itself as Windows Server 2003, since it's that OS with the server stuff stripped out. XP64 even uses 2003's updates and service packs. I like XP64 a lot. I do have a couple of devices I can't seem to get drivers for, a webcam and an infrared port on my laptop, but otherwise I've found drivers for everything. It is a bit of a hunt, as XP64 drivers don't tend to be conveniently located. I ended up using drivers meant for other laptops for some of my stuff. While I see XP64 surviving for a long time (as long as Server 2003) I am not going to use it in the future. I already converted one laptop over to Vista x64, and one has been delegated the "Hackintosh test bed", so the only thing I have XP64 on currently is my gaming desktop. I am thinking of upgrading it, and it will probably get Vista as well. __________________ -SSZ

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ready2rumbelX InnarX Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Borderline InSAnE Posts: 2,589	Honestly speaking, x64 is quite stable and the support is there. I've encountered no problems using XP x64 and it ran flawless (whether x86 or x64 apps). The only headache of an O/S, that's x64,is Vista. It's stable and runs on the same premise as XP x64 but it's M$'s infuriating "Driver Signing" that's a massive pain in the Buttootoo. Anyone who's on XP MCE/SP2 x86, i'd recommend switching to x64...if you can. Although, before doing so, investigate and research into the drivers for all your hardware and software you ususally use...if it all checks out, go for it. Note: Some software says it doesn't necessarily support x64, but works fine anyway. r2rX __________________ ready2rumbelX -Intel Core 2 Quad (@3200Mhz) -Gigabyte 965P-S3 motherboard -2GB TwinMOS PC-6400 (DDR2 800) RAM -Seagate 80GB and 320GB 7200rpm H.D -nVidia GeForce 7900GS 256MB DDR III (610/1560) -Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 (x86) -Realtek HD w/ Creative PC Works 5.1 -2 x L.G DVD/CD-RW Combo - GSA-H62N

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Squall-Leonhart VBA-M Team Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 2,983	WoW64 can't run all x32 apps, there are a few out there which won't run. the big issue is XP64 cannot run 16bit apps, so alot of your old ntvdm apps are gone. (use dosbox) __________________ TechZone3K \| NGOHQ \| Post Impact Productions READ THE NGEmu/EmuForums Rules of Conduct

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Xtreme2damax Suck My Crocodile Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In my bedroomz optimizing PCSX2 by kicking it in the nuts. Posts: 1,431	I've had a few games that refused to install because it kept complaining it wasn't compatible with my version of Windows even though the game ran perfectly fine once installed. To remedy this problem, I had to make an image of my disc, download orca, manually edit the msi file, replace the msi file on the image with the edited one using MagicISO, mount with Daemon Tools and install. Quite a workaround just to install a game that refuses to install when it actually works fine once you are able to get it installed. Other than some small hitches I haven't had any problems running applications on either the 64-bit XP Pro or Vista 64-bit. __________________ Please visit my gaming and emulation forum and be part of a great community as well as partake in interesting discussions: I'm looking for more staff & news posters for my forum, if you are interested PM me to see if you qualify for the position. Also TheCloudOfSmoke is so cool, I think he is Jesus Christ Reborn.

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SCHUMI-4-EVA Devastating Force Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In the midst of an electricity crisis Posts: 3,676	You have Vista 64bit now X2DM? I thought you only got XP64? __________________ AMD Athlon64 3700+ (2.2Ghz rated as 3.7Ghz Pentium), ASUS A8NE-FM (OEM), 4x512MB DDR400 RAM, ATI Radeon X850XT (256MB GDDR3 PCIe), Seagate Barracuda 320GB SATA2 HDD, Windows XP SP2 Home, Leadtek Winfast TV2000 XP Expert, Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Value Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!! The Champ has retired, but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!!

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SCHUMI-4-EVA Devastating Force Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In the midst of an electricity crisis Posts: 3,676	So I guess that means your job is workin out for ya? I'm glad for ya. __________________ AMD Athlon64 3700+ (2.2Ghz rated as 3.7Ghz Pentium), ASUS A8NE-FM (OEM), 4x512MB DDR400 RAM, ATI Radeon X850XT (256MB GDDR3 PCIe), Seagate Barracuda 320GB SATA2 HDD, Windows XP SP2 Home, Leadtek Winfast TV2000 XP Expert, Creative Sound Blaster Audigy Value Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!! The Champ has retired, but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!!

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