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[Rebel_X]

For me, Windows 98SE was the best OS ever created, simple and easy, you can do whatever you want, and the fact that most Windows XP users, don't use XP for networking, it still has most if not all of networking services and administrators tools.. anyhoo.. Windows ME was better than 98SE, and addressed a lot of fixes to 98, for example, when adding new hardware, it can look and search for the best driver recursing subdirectories unlike Win98SE (even if you ticked the check box to do so in 98, it wont!!) and others,, besides, everything works in 98 works in ME, and it has beautiful interface.. it was really MILLENIUM..

I don't say that I hate XP, I love it, but I can't deny the amount of resources it devour compared to 98 is incredible (back in the days where RAM and CPU is so limited like 128MB and PIII 600Mhhz)..

And I bet that if PCSX2 for example will run in 98SE, it will be faster than XP and consequently Vista..

[DB7]

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

Never heard of google?, sheesh, first place i hit is google when someone says something like this, so i can validate it myself. people are lazy

Ha, I am extremely lazy but when people come out with a "fact" that I have never heard of in over a year of Vista being on the market, on forums or in the many computer magazines I read ( lord I love working in a shop with a magazine section), I do not find it unreasonable for them to provide sources for what they are saying, especially when the mentioned flaw with the OS would be one of those things that a test rig would show up.

As I've said before I am not using Vista because of its looks but performance wise I find little to choose between Vista and its older kin.

I simply fail to understand why when I am running a system where the best piece of it is a GeForce 8600GTS, that I have encountered so very few of the supposed problems that exist with Vista, compared to those who are running far better hardware.

cottonvibes, I've worked with computers since the lord awful BBC Micros I had at school. The computers I worked on at college ran Windows 3.1. I missed Windows 95 and the first release of 98, the first PC I bought (a HP Brio) came with 98SE (I still have the restore disks although I killed the machine years ago with an ill-advised bios update).

I simply do not see the reasons that people hated Windows ME, which as I've said before was simply 98 Third Edition. Now I confess I stripped stuff out on 98 with 98lite and on ME with the Optional Component Maker, so perhaps this has caused me to see the two more fairly since the extra tat Microsoft added in was not present.

As for paying for DirectX, just think of the prices. Microsoft would have to recoup the loss of not releasing a new operating system. So since the upgrade from XP to just Vista Home Basic costs around £90 (which is around 175USD) can you really see each release costing significantly less than that? Think how quickly DX10 has been upgraded to DX10.1, would you really be willing to pay that every six months compared to every two or three years for a new OS.

[Squall-Leonhart]

well
Vista + Nforce USB and 4GB ram = No USB2 (Fixed 2 months after vista release)
Vista x64 + 4GB during installation = Likely to crash, Slipstreamed SP1 disk fixed
Vista + Geforce 7/8 + 4GB = Freezing, crashing, random issues. (waiting on fix)
There are 4GB issues with Vista and Creative cards as well.

In most cases where 4GB's has caused a problem, it has been an issue with Vista itself, and has been fixed with a follow up patch. of course, this has been after Nvidia and others have been blamed repeatedly for it, only for MSFT to release the fix, and have it be in the main USB driver, or Some other random driver.

[DB7]

Again please supply where you have learnt this.

The computer mags in the UK tend as a general rule to run a top of the line PC and a mid range PC for their hardware and games tests. Not once in the year+ Vista has been out have I seen any mention of this 4gb of RAM and GeForce 7/8 series problem, which is exactly the sort of thing these tests are supposed to reveal. Now unless every computer magazine the Co-operative stocks is in the pay of Microsoft (well obviously the Official Windows Vista Magazine is) are you really telling me that this problem has passed them all by? especially since , apart from the Official mag, none of them recommend an upgrade to Vista.

[Rebel_X]

Originally Posted by DB7

Again please supply where you have learnt this.

The computer mags in the UK tend as a general rule to run a top of the line PC and a mid range PC for their hardware and games tests. Not once in the year+ Vista has been out have I seen any mention of this 4gb of RAM and GeForce 7/8 series problem, which is exactly the sort of thing these tests are supposed to reveal. Now unless every computer magazine the Co-operative stocks is in the pay of Microsoft (well obviously the Official Windows Vista Magazine is) are you really telling me that this problem has passed them all by? especially since , apart from the Official mag, none of them recommend an upgrade to Vista.

I don't care about mags in uk nor usa, not even in iraq, what I care about is Vista is bullsh!t, you can say I hate it, Squall Leonhart hates it, refraction, (even Sephiroth or Cloud if they are real will hate it) 99% of people here hate it, you the 0.0001% LOVE IT!!!! Well, what u love is what u love.. but don't force us to love what u love. we gave vista chance and it failed to be successor for xp nor windows 95.. heck, if u are talking about graphics interface, I suggest u use Linux Ubunto.. it beats Vista on all measurements..

Final deduction, Vista's existance is just waste of space. memory, or Silicon ( = sand) Dvds pressed into them.. IMnotHO

[Spyhop]

You can actually get a version of Vista with the minwin kernel (windows 7 kernel).
It's obviously very experimental though and good luck finding drivers. But still, if you're the kind who likes to tinker, it's out there.

[Rebel_X]

I don't wanna prejudice and start to dislike Windows 7 before it's releasing date, let all Microsoft programmers take their time I am not in a hurry, I am waiting and using XP till then..

[Squall-Leonhart]

Originally Posted by Rebel_X

I don't care about mags in uk nor usa, not even in iraq, what I care about is Vista is bullsh!t, you can say I hate it, Squall Leonhart hates it, refraction, (even Sephiroth or Cloud if they are real will hate it) 99% of people here hate it, you the 0.0001% LOVE IT!!!! Well, what u love is what u love.. but don't force us to love what u love. we gave vista chance and it failed to be successor for xp nor windows 95.. heck, if u are talking about graphics interface, I suggest u use Linux Ubunto.. it beats Vista on all measurements..

Final deduction, Vista's existance is just waste of space. memory, or Silicon ( = sand) Dvds pressed into them.. IMnotHO

You jack ass, you make me hate you so i put you on ignore, then you post that and now i have to unblock you again.

quit messing around with my hate-o-meter.

[Rebel_X]

Originally Posted by Squall-Leonhart

You jack ass, you make me hate you so i put you on ignore, then you post that and now i have to unblock you again.

quit messing around with my hate-o-meter.

heheh, I like u man

[DB7]

Originally Posted by Rebel_X

I don't care about mags in UK nor USA, not even in Iraq, what I care about is Vista is bullsh!t, you can say I hate it, Squall Leonhart hates it, refraction, (even Sephiroth or Cloud if they are real will hate it) 99% of people here hate it, you the 0.0001% LOVE IT!!!! Well, what u love is what u love.. but don't force us to love what u love. we gave vista chance and it failed to be successor for xp nor windows 95.. heck, if u are talking about graphics interface, I suggest u use Linux Ubunto.. it beats Vista on all measurements..

Final deduction, Vista's existance is just waste of space. memory, or Silicon ( = sand) Dvds pressed into them.. IMnotHO

I'm not trying to convince people not to hate it, I simply wanted to know where Squall-Leonhart found information that has appeared in no media in the UK that I have seen.

Now that I've been made aware of it, I have googled it, and found the problem mentioned on the Nvidia forums. However from what I have read this is a problem with Nividia's drivers and not with Vista itself. I fail to see how this is the fault of Microsoft because it isn't as if they sprung Vista onto the market.

And as I have mentioned before, I do not like Vista myself, I am not using Vista, I just have not encountered the problems with my older hardware that people have on top of the line stuff. I want to know the problems people have with the OS, not the rhetoric that they've read on the internet.

[Rebel_X]

Well, one of the problems is that you can't change the MIDI output for your sound card (MS wavesynth suck big time, I want to use xg or Timidity driver to load soundfonts), even midi output interface didn't change from xp, I don't know why it's hidden or something, last time, I had to download control panel tool to change it, instead of changing registry values, besides some discontinued programs used to work on xp but not vista (no patches.. ), some WDM drivers worked on xp don't work on vista (wdm drivers should work according to it's definition, see wiki)

heck, you can't even run ms-dos applications in full screen (vista home edition, dunno bout others)..

[Zack]

Right let me start off by telling a little story.

I was once a Vista basher. I hated it. At this time I ran a P4 3ghz with 1gb of ram and a Nvidia 128mb card. Obviously Vista sucked on it compared to xp.

However I now have a beefy rig (check sig for specs), and Vista is a dream to use on it.

It : A) Runs as fast as XP (on my rig), B) looks nicer, C) Less bugs than Xp (on my rig). I got usb and black screens on boot on xp :S (yes i installed my drivers right im not a noob)

Now it does however suck for Pc Gaming, (something I don't really do), but for arguments sake i tested it on both.

XP = Settings all on Max + high antialising (full speed no slowdowns)
Vista = Settings all on max + high antialising (lslowdowns galore, even with gfx settings lowered)

So basically what I am trying to get across here is that if you have a beefy enough PC and don't pc game on it Vista is great. I'd just like to say that emulators ran equal on both XP and Vista for me. Just seemed to be PC games that suffered.

I am not saying it's better or worse than XP, all I am saying is it isn't as bad as people make out. Most of the "Vista sucks" comments generally come from people with either driver issues, low spec pc's or pc gamers.

[lagunareturns]

What I would like to see a dedicated gaming os which features full backwards compatibility for older games, through emulation that is, as well as a xbox and xbox 360 emulator (only reason I reckon ms should include xbox and xbox 360 emulation is because they support windows live and pretty much any new game on pc is a 360 game, at least that way the developers don't need to pay extra to develop for pc).

[DB7]

Originally Posted by Rebel_X

Well, one of the problems is that you can't change the MIDI output for your sound card (MS wavesynth suck big time, I want to use xg or Timidity driver to load soundfonts), even midi output interface didn't change from xp, I don't know why it's hidden or something, last time, I had to download control panel tool to change it, instead of changing registry values, besides some discontinued programs used to work on xp but not vista (no patches.. ), some WDM drivers worked on xp don't work on vista (wdm drivers should work according to it's definition, see wiki)

heck, you can't even run ms-dos applications in full screen (vista home edition, dunno bout others)..

Thanks because your post is exactly the type of thing I want to hear.

As it happens one of my big grips with Vista required me to download a third party app. When I set-up XP I can use the file types tab to change the program that opens with the right click menus Edit command. In Vista this TAb does not exist, which caused me not say more than a few swear words. More when the Official Vista Magazine forum told me I would be just as happy changing the default program that opens with a double click.

Originally Posted by zion

Now it does however suck for Pc Gaming, (something I don't really do), but for arguments sake i tested it on both.

XP = Settings all on Max + high antialising (full speed no slowdowns)
Vista = Settings all on max + high antialising (lslowdowns galore, even with gfx settings lowered)

As a matter of interest what game did you try? Because even when I ran Crysis, I found I could have the same medium settings on Vista as on XP (and I admit to using the DX9 .exe on Vista).

Now on Vista I was able to play the Battle for Middle-Earth at a higher graphical setting before it started to complain that my gameplay would suffer.

[Binary]

Whoever try windows vista 1 year ago should retry again but this time UPDATE your damn windows.


So far this vista with sp1 runs like xp to me but I shut off the hog programs (Windows Defender, Error Reporting or crash wtfever, Cut System Restore in half)

Windows defender is the biggest resource hog I've seen. Aero runs great to.

Just best if you yall get a new system that supports DX10

[Squall-Leonhart]

Originally Posted by DB7

I'm not trying to convince people not to hate it, I simply wanted to know where Squall-Leonhart found information that has appeared in no media in the UK that I have seen.

Now that I've been made aware of it, I have googled it, and found the problem mentioned on the Nvidia forums. However from what I have read this is a problem with Nividia's drivers and not with Vista itself. I fail to see how this is the fault of Microsoft because it isn't as if they sprung Vista onto the market.

And as I have mentioned before, I do not like Vista myself, I am not using Vista, I just have not encountered the problems with my older hardware that people have on top of the line stuff. I want to know the problems people have with the OS, not the rhetoric that they've read on the internet.

I beta test for MSFT on occasion, so i have alot of contacts with the msft beta community, i won't name my source because hes under nda, but we do share information from time to time. Vista's ongoing problems with 4GB addressing being one of them.

I also recieved quite a few startling documents regarding Vista's implementation of WGA... (it sends alot more information then you'd want it to).

Regardless, at all points where 4GB has turned out to be a problem in Vista, the first place they blame is nvidia, or ati... when on numerous occasions, the problem has been in the Kernel itself.. And with the massive changes to Vista's memory systems.... more and more bugs will continue to be found.

You'll find that PCSX2, will not work on every bootup of vista for many people... and no body really knows why..

Originally Posted by Binary

Whoever try windows vista 1 year ago should retry again but this time UPDATE your damn windows.


So far this vista with sp1 runs like xp to me but I shut off the hog programs (Windows Defender, Error Reporting or crash wtfever, Cut System Restore in half)

Windows defender is the biggest resource hog I've seen. Aero runs great to.

Just best if you yall get a new system that supports DX10

Sorry, SP1 is a downer so far, its given nothing that im interested in.

[lmf]

vistas was too secure ,will 7 be even more secure?

[DB7]

If you like UAC but would like to make it more like the MAC version, in that it doesn't blackout your screen and prevent access to your other applications, here is how to do it.

Here is how you can change that:
To get to the configuration screen for this, type in security to the start menu search box. You should see the Local Security Policy as the top search item.

In the Local Security Policy window, browse down to Local Policies \ Security Options

Over in the right hand part of the window, scroll down near the bottom and find the item titled “User Account Control: Switch to the secure desktop when prompting for elevation”

Double-click on the item, and change it to disabled and then click OK.

Note: This does make your system slightly less secure, so be warned.

For Windows Home users, you will need to open up regedit via the start menu search box. Browse down to this registry key:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Policies\System]

You should see a key called PromptOnSecureDesktop. Double-click this and change the value to 0

Be warned however that this will slightly reduce your security but it is a better solution than turning UAC off completely.

[Binary]

Originally Posted by cottonvibes

windows ME was another failed OS, just like vista.

*coughs*Bull*****coughs*

I was a 3 year windows ME user until I got my XP cd. Let me tell you this no windows EVER runs like Windows ME. It sucks so bad I had to keep refreshing my wallpaper and locks up certain times. Vista does not do this, probbly becasue I runing Newer DX10 videocard, mobo, 64 bit processor. Only thing sucks about vista is just the backward Compatibility Hardware. So you had to buy a new computer thats like 1-2 year old.

If vista is on the bad list with ME, sure as hell put XP on the list too because basically it is XP but just newer **** and change **** around so people thinks Microsoft worked hard which they didn't.

[refraction]

Originally Posted by Binary

*coughs*Bull*****coughs*

I was a 3 year windows ME user until I got my XP cd. Let me tell you this no windows EVER runs like Windows ME. It sucks so bad I had to keep refreshing my wallpaper and locks up certain times. Vista does not do this, probbly becasue I runing Newer DX10 videocard, mobo, 64 bit processor. Only thing sucks about vista is just the backward Compatibility Hardware. So you had to buy a new computer thats like 1-2 year old.

If vista is on the bad list with ME, sure as hell put XP on the list too because basically it is XP but just newer **** and change **** around so people thinks Microsoft worked hard which they didn't.

when you unknot your pants, maybe you should think back to what he meant. He meant the OS as an entity is a failure, hes not saying Vista is as reliable as ME, this would be blatantly false. What he meant is ME never got anywhere, it wasnt what consumers wanted (for different reasons to Vista of course) so in that sense, its a failure.