OS help

JudgeDreadLocks · February 2nd, 2008, 21:14

im still makin decisions about makin a computer, and i need some help. Should i get XP or vista? I heard vista is a pain, but dont some games require vista? i dont want to miss out on better perks b/c of pcsx2. Does the emu run better on vista? or is vista a big mistake? i like the way vista looks, but does it offer anythin more that XP doesnt have?

bmreyna1 · February 2nd, 2008, 21:24

Get Xp for faster Emulation You can Always Upgrade.....

If you do get Vista i would Not get a card Lower than the 8800 512mb i got a 8600 GT with 512mb's and i cant Play games like crysis,The witcher ect with Dx9 with high settings

gotta stick to medium soo yeh

JudgeDreadLocks · February 2nd, 2008, 21:43

oh yeah, Dx10 isnt compatible w/ xp, rite? how much faster than vista does xp emulate? will i be much of a difference with an AMD 6400 at 3.2ghz and 2 gbs of ram? do i need Dx10 to play crysis and other high end games?

bmreyna1 · February 2nd, 2008, 21:46

ok lets see... where to start...

Dx 10 is At the moment not compatible with Xp But it will be soon =P
ive never Heard of a pcsx2 fps with a amd 6400... i didnt even know they went higher than 5800, so you might be in luck there ^^
Ram doesnt usually matter as long as you got more than 1.5gbs i think your Ok, But with Vista i recomend 2gb's

As far as other games go It depends on your Graphics card... What do you currently have.. And btw Most all Games still have Dx 9 Support... Like crysis and bioshock and Cod4 all that and you will get better fps with Dx9 But better graphics obviously with Dx10

JudgeDreadLocks · February 2nd, 2008, 22:00

i plan on gettin a 8800 gt. i dont have the pc just yet also, the ull name of the processor is [== Black Edition ==] AMD Athlon™64 X2 6400+ Dual-Core CPU
what does the 64 mean? it supports 64 bit OS? does it also support 32?

bmreyna1 · February 2nd, 2008, 22:02

Well since you dont have it Stay Yet Stay away from AMD... I used to be a Amd Fanboy myself until i got the Intel Core 2 duo and let me tell you its Way faster....

As for the 64bit OS usually Only developers and Debuggers use it =/... Thats just my
opinion

Your processor will be x32 bit But will Maybe support x64 bit

PCXL-Fan · February 2nd, 2008, 22:11

No games require vista except those made by Microsoft, since they are trying to force people to upgrade to the new OS. THese include Halo2 and Shadowrun. Infact we have yet to see a huge just in visuals going to Vista.

Crysis was supposed to be the flagship title that showed the difference between XP and vista(dx9 and dx10), but by using xp and simply editting a couple settings in some config files you can get it looking even better than default max settings in vista.

All modern core2 processors support 64bit applications and OS.

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bmreyna1 · February 2nd, 2008, 22:17

vista is better for high end games at the moment Untill the Dx 10 Comes out for Xp and it should within 3-4 months =P

PCXL-Fan · February 2nd, 2008, 22:22

As I said dx10 as of yet adds pretty much nothing to games, which means vista adds pretty much nothing to games besides eating more of your ram and leaving less for the game.

If your an oldschool gamer like me vista is going to break lots of those old games.

Vista has lots of nice features though, like the quicksearch bar in the startmenu, the added security measures and the desktop rss feed.

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skoreanime · February 2nd, 2008, 22:23

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Originally Posted by bmreyna1

vista is better for high end games at the moment Untill the Dx 10 Comes out for Xp and it should within 3-4 months =P

I think you're a bit misinformed...unless I'm just misunderstanding your words. Microsoft has no plans to implement DX10 in XP. Yes I know there are some people who are attempting to bring it to XP, but something like a new DX...I'd just go buy Vista. Also, the latest SP for XP just makes it all the better for gaming then Vista does.

bmreyna1 · February 2nd, 2008, 23:27

microsoft is not supporting direct x 10 for xp But there is a Team out Converting the Format look it up on google you will see... im to lazy to find out their name =P

chiadog · February 2nd, 2008, 23:59

Alky project is dead.

Oh, and calling their code alpha is being generous. Even if they didn't go under, by the time of release there would be zero reason to run XP over Vista then. You're seriously looking at least 2-3 years before a stable compatible release from the code.

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JudgeDreadLocks · February 3rd, 2008, 00:36

i have another question. two dual core processors.
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E8400 CPU @ 3.00GHz 1333FSB 6MB L2 Cache 64-bit
and
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6850 CPU @ 3.00GHz 1333FSB 4MB L2 Cache 64-bit
whats the difference and why does the second one cost ~$100 more?
also, bmrenya, i heard that AMD is better for gaming. Not true?

Krakatos · February 3rd, 2008, 00:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by JudgeDreadLocks

i have another question. two dual core processors.
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E8400 CPU @ 3.00GHz 1333FSB 6MB L2 Cache 64-bit
and
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6850 CPU @ 3.00GHz 1333FSB 4MB L2 Cache 64-bit
whats the difference and why does the second one cost ~$100 more?
also, bmrenya, i heard that AMD is better for gaming. Not true?

1) The E8400 is a penryn. If you have a motherboard that supports it, it's a lot better than the E6850. The E6850 costs more because it was the top of the old "mainstream" dual cores. Basically, it's quite idiotic getting it now. It's surpassed.

2) No amd can compete nowadays with the mid-high end intel CPUs. Amd wasn't bad before. As of now it can't compare...

JudgeDreadLocks · February 3rd, 2008, 01:07

please explain wat you mean by penryn.

PCXL-Fan · February 3rd, 2008, 01:14

penryn is the name given to intels latest revision of the core2 chip. Its smaller, faster, cooler, more efficient and overclocks better than the intel core2's of last year and 2006 which where called conroes. They shrunk its transistors from 65nm down to 45nm.

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JudgeDreadLocks · February 3rd, 2008, 01:20

do they (mobos) tell me if they support the penryn procesors?

PCXL-Fan · February 3rd, 2008, 01:25

yes, but even some that don''t will with a bios update.

But bios updates require you to have non-penryn intel chip beforehand to install the bios update.

do you currently have at least a p4 system?

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JudgeDreadLocks · February 3rd, 2008, 01:36

dont know what that is, im on a laptop.

skoreanime · February 3rd, 2008, 01:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmreyna1

microsoft is not supporting direct x 10 for xp But there is a Team out Converting the Format look it up on google you will see... im to lazy to find out their name =P

You're behind the times. The project is pretty much dead.

Well, it depends too PCXL. I know that the latest update for the 975 chipset enables those boards to run the Wolfdales no problem, but the Yorkfields are still screwy on them. To be sure though, I'd do some research on other boards and visit the manufacturers website to see if your target board is supported.

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Originally Posted by JudgeDreadLocks

dont know what that is, im on a laptop.

Errr, if you're thinking of upgrading your laptop...think again. This is desktop talk

February 2nd, 2008, 21:14	#1
JudgeDreadLocks The Nicest Black Guy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NY Posts: 181	OS help im still makin decisions about makin a computer, and i need some help. Should i get XP or vista? I heard vista is a pain, but dont some games require vista? i dont want to miss out on better perks b/c of pcsx2. Does the emu run better on vista? or is vista a big mistake? i like the way vista looks, but does it offer anythin more that XP doesnt have?

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February 2nd, 2008, 21:24	#2
bmreyna1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Riverside Ca Posts: 31	Get Xp for faster Emulation You can Always Upgrade..... If you do get Vista i would Not get a card Lower than the 8800 512mb i got a 8600 GT with 512mb's and i cant Play games like crysis,The witcher ect with Dx9 with high settings gotta stick to medium soo yeh

February 2nd, 2008, 21:43	#3
JudgeDreadLocks The Nicest Black Guy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NY Posts: 181	oh yeah, Dx10 isnt compatible w/ xp, rite? how much faster than vista does xp emulate? will i be much of a difference with an AMD 6400 at 3.2ghz and 2 gbs of ram? do i need Dx10 to play crysis and other high end games?

February 2nd, 2008, 21:46	#4
bmreyna1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Riverside Ca Posts: 31	ok lets see... where to start... Dx 10 is At the moment not compatible with Xp But it will be soon =P ive never Heard of a pcsx2 fps with a amd 6400... i didnt even know they went higher than 5800, so you might be in luck there ^^ Ram doesnt usually matter as long as you got more than 1.5gbs i think your Ok, But with Vista i recomend 2gb's As far as other games go It depends on your Graphics card... What do you currently have.. And btw Most all Games still have Dx 9 Support... Like crysis and bioshock and Cod4 all that and you will get better fps with Dx9 But better graphics obviously with Dx10

February 2nd, 2008, 22:00	#5
JudgeDreadLocks The Nicest Black Guy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NY Posts: 181	i plan on gettin a 8800 gt. i dont have the pc just yet also, the ull name of the processor is [== Black Edition ==] AMD Athlon™64 X2 6400+ Dual-Core CPU what does the 64 mean? it supports 64 bit OS? does it also support 32?

February 2nd, 2008, 22:02	#6
bmreyna1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Riverside Ca Posts: 31	Well since you dont have it Stay Yet Stay away from AMD... I used to be a Amd Fanboy myself until i got the Intel Core 2 duo and let me tell you its Way faster.... As for the 64bit OS usually Only developers and Debuggers use it =/... Thats just my opinion Your processor will be x32 bit But will Maybe support x64 bit

February 2nd, 2008, 22:17	#8
bmreyna1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Riverside Ca Posts: 31	vista is better for high end games at the moment Untill the Dx 10 Comes out for Xp and it should within 3-4 months =P

February 2nd, 2008, 23:27	#11
bmreyna1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Riverside Ca Posts: 31	microsoft is not supporting direct x 10 for xp But there is a Team out Converting the Format look it up on google you will see... im to lazy to find out their name =P

February 2nd, 2008, 23:59	#12
chiadog Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: oven Posts: 67	Alky project is dead. Oh, and calling their code alpha is being generous. Even if they didn't go under, by the time of release there would be zero reason to run XP over Vista then. You're seriously looking at least 2-3 years before a stable compatible release from the code. __________________ Workstation:920@3.6/GTX285 Gameputer:860@3.6/5850 Last edited by chiadog; February 3rd, 2008 at 00:05..

February 3rd, 2008, 00:36	#13
JudgeDreadLocks The Nicest Black Guy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NY Posts: 181	i have another question. two dual core processors. Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E8400 CPU @ 3.00GHz 1333FSB 6MB L2 Cache 64-bit and Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6850 CPU @ 3.00GHz 1333FSB 4MB L2 Cache 64-bit whats the difference and why does the second one cost ~$100 more? also, bmrenya, i heard that AMD is better for gaming. Not true?

February 3rd, 2008, 01:07	#15
JudgeDreadLocks The Nicest Black Guy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NY Posts: 181	please explain wat you mean by penryn.

February 3rd, 2008, 01:20	#17
JudgeDreadLocks The Nicest Black Guy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NY Posts: 181	do they (mobos) tell me if they support the penryn procesors?

February 3rd, 2008, 01:36	#19
JudgeDreadLocks The Nicest Black Guy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NY Posts: 181	dont know what that is, im on a laptop.