Computer Specs(possibly)

JudgeDreadLocks · January 26th, 2008, 20:39

I plan on getting a gaming computer in the near future. i would lke to know if the specs of the system are up to scratch not only for the pcsx2, but for modern games
Video card: X2 NVidia GeForce 8800 GT
processor: Black Edition AMD Athlon 64 X2 dual core
RAM: 4GB DDR2
Motherboard: ASUS M2N SLI NVIDIA nForce 560 chipset
Also, i would like to know the kind of powersource i would need to run my computer effectively, or at all, for that matter.

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Tilla · January 26th, 2008, 20:44

Looks good
Hope you're planning to run a 64-bit OS (Vista64 or Xp64) because otherwise you can't use 4GB of RAM.

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JudgeDreadLocks · January 26th, 2008, 20:48

what r the downsides to a 64-bit OS? also, i heard there are power source minumums based on video cards and ram. the case comes with 420W power supply. Do i need more than that? i was thinkin of getting the 750W power supply...

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echosierra · January 26th, 2008, 21:10

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Originally Posted by JudgeDreadLocks

what r the downsides to a 64-bit OS? also, i heard there are power source minumums based on video cards and ram. the case comes with 420W power supply. Do i need more than that? i was thinkin of getting the 750W power supply...

64-bit OS's don't have as mature drivers as 32-bit OS's.

It's true that most 32-bit programs can run under the 64-bit version of whatever OS you like, but drivers are different. They act at the hardware level, and must be native 64-bit to operate.
So as long as you can find appropriate drivers, it's basically the exact same experience.

The pro to 64-bit: an unspeakably large address space. 17,179,869,184 GB, up from 32-bit's 4 GB.

Thanakil · January 26th, 2008, 22:16

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Originally Posted by JudgeDreadLocks

what r the downsides to a 64-bit OS? also, i heard there are power source minumums based on video cards and ram. the case comes with 420W power supply. Do i need more than that? i was thinkin of getting the 750W power supply...

I usually see 64-bit as being a improvement, but it's up to you to see what you prefer.

A 750W should be perfectly good, I don't see you needing more than that. (you can get more, but I don't see you NEEDing more, 750W is fine)
The only thing I would say is "Why go with Black Edition Athlon when Intel 8xxx is so awesome?".

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JudgeDreadLocks · January 26th, 2008, 22:16

so i basicly only need 64-bit for the 4GB ram? i dont know what that address thing you were talkin bout means... to answer the aboves question, im buying my comp from ibuypower.com, and its like a desktop special. it doesnt give me the choice of any other type of processor except AMD Athlon. is that processor bad? its like, the most expensive dual core on the page

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Thanakil · January 26th, 2008, 23:01

Well, I wouldn't call it bad, it's just you can usually get better performance/price ratio (and kinda performance alone too) from a intel CPU.

The one they show is which one exactly, the 6400? (I think that's what I've seen with "Black Edition" on their website).

It's clocked at 3.2ghz (which is good), it's quite fast and all, and the price doesn't look too bad.

It's just that I'd usually recommend one of the new 45nm cpu intel processor instead, but the athlon is still good.
(the Intel CPU is especially easy to OC, possibility to OC to 4ghz and + without too much problems)

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JudgeDreadLocks · January 26th, 2008, 23:19

i see... another question, is the quad core processor worth the $40 extra? should i stick with the dual core proccesor? any other compatability issues that come with the quad core? i need answers! and, yes, the black edition is the 6400

clerick · January 26th, 2008, 23:24

I personally have a quad core q6600 and I love it over the dual because I do video editing/photoshop work and other multi core needs. A lot of games take full use of both cores, making it when you exit out a cinch with 4 cores. Also a G0 overclocks very good on air with a good cooler (i'm running 3.6 from stock 2.4). Oh and a few things about windows 64
*Super annoying driver installation. If the driver is no WQHL you will need to boot while hitting F8 to disable the beta insall protection
*Some programs will simply not work that impact your hard ware without having special version of the program (such as atitools and rivatuner)
*Even though 64 bit windows can use all of your 4gb it's presently absolutely pointless to the gamer. Why?
- All games that don't have a 64 bit mode exe will run in 32, which will give slight drop in performance since 32bit is being emulated
-A game must be coded to take advantage of the 4gb with the 64 bit exe (and since todays pc games are 95% 32bit only no game will actually use your extra 2gb of ram).

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JudgeDreadLocks · January 26th, 2008, 23:50

to thanakil:
i dont see a 8xxx version of an intel,but i do see the Intel core 2 Duo Processor E6850 with 2x 3.0 GHz/4Mb L2 Cache. is this better than my black edition? it is cheaper... and quad core is once again a couple a bucks exrta. worth it?
also, thanks clerick, u just saved me alot of money. i dont really need 4Gb of ram, so 64bit OS is essentially usless, yes?

Thanakil · January 26th, 2008, 23:57

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Originally Posted by JudgeDreadLocks

to thanakil:
i dont see a 8xxx version of an intel,but i do see the Intel core 2 Duo Processor E6850 with 2x 3.0 GHz/4Mb L2 Cache. is this better than my black edition? it is cheaper... and quad core is once again a couple a bucks exrta. worth it?
also, thanks clerick, u just saved me alot of money. i dont really need 4Gb of ram, so 64bit OS is essentially usless, yes?

The 8xxx are still very new, so it can be hard to find some. A quad core is a good idea, it's up to you. Not a lot of things take advantage of it (it's more common to see games with support of 4 cores tho, some engines have support for over 4 cores even, but they are far from being the majority).

Overall it really depends on you tho, a DualCore can still do very very good and be enough in most case.

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clerick · January 27th, 2008, 00:00

It is not useless, the future will be 64bit and higher. The fact is currently the people using 64bit are those who do a lot of rendering/modeling (where 8gb + is a norm) or servers where more ram is needed for sql databases. 64 bit code does run faster then 32bit in the same game, however presently there's just not enough games or apps in 64bit code. If you are willing to through the haste of installing drivers every now and then and having slightly lesser performance then go ahead. However keep in mind that 64 does have advantages: once all programs begin to have a 64 bit alternative the need for 32 will disappear. Also theres a gamecube emulator called dolphin that has a 64 bit only version which runs great I should say.

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Bubbafat · January 27th, 2008, 00:10

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Originally Posted by Tilla

Looks good
because otherwise you can't use 4GB of RAM.

What??? i did. I was running xp 32bit sp2 and with 3 gbs of ddr2 it would come up as 3.31 gigs and give the rest to video which was my 512mg 1800xt, making a little more than a gig of video

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skoreanime · January 27th, 2008, 00:39

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What??? i did. I was running xp 32bit sp2 and with 3 gbs of ddr2 it would come up as 3.31 gigs and give the rest to video which was my 512mg 1800xt, making a little more than a gig of video

Windows XP Pro with the little registry tweak can read around 3GBs of RAM. It cannot read 4GBs. And I think you've misunderstood something here...free system RAM doesn't turn into graphics RAM...unless I missed something here.

echosierra · January 27th, 2008, 00:46

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Originally Posted by Bubbafat

What??? i did. I was running xp 32bit sp2 and with 3 gbs of ddr2 it would come up as 3.31 gigs and give the rest to video which was my 512mg 1800xt, making a little more than a gig of video

He means that the entire 4GB memory is not available for a program to use. For various reasons, Windows only allows ~3.4GB to be used.

About the address space of 32/64 bit:
Your computer uses a finite number of bits to specify a memory location, so it follows that there are a finite number of locations in memory. So there are a limited number of unique locations for you to store something, this is effectively the limit of storage.

32-bit addressing gives you 2^32 locations, or 4,294,967,296 locations. This is roughly 4 gigabytes.
64-bit addressing give you 2^64 locations, or 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 locations. As you can see, 64-bit addressing give you many more locations to work with.

PCXL-Fan · January 27th, 2008, 00:50

Whats the cost of this system during this Ibuypower sale you are looking at?
Also does it come with a fancy painted case your not willing to part with?

There are other places which might have better deals.

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JudgeDreadLocks · January 27th, 2008, 01:26

after the OS, about ~$2000 give or take $200 depending on accesories. my main concern is if the intel i mentioned above really better or up to par with the black edition AMD processor

PCXL-Fan · January 27th, 2008, 01:52

is that including the lcd? thats a pretty high price.

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JudgeDreadLocks · January 27th, 2008, 02:00

yeah, the screen included, 20.1 inches w/ hdmi 1080p support. still need info on processors. perhaps someone could speak to me personally. does anyone have xbox live? i dont have a real computer atm, it would be convienient to use live.

PCXL-Fan · January 27th, 2008, 02:10

only reason to pay extra for a black edition over a regular edition cpu is if your planning to overclock since the multipliers are unlocked.

In that case if your planning to overclock i'd still go with an intel penryn cpu.

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January 26th, 2008, 20:39	#1
JudgeDreadLocks The Nicest Black Guy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NY Posts: 181	Computer Specs(possibly) I plan on getting a gaming computer in the near future. i would lke to know if the specs of the system are up to scratch not only for the pcsx2, but for modern games Video card: X2 NVidia GeForce 8800 GT processor: Black Edition AMD Athlon 64 X2 dual core RAM: 4GB DDR2 Motherboard: ASUS M2N SLI NVIDIA nForce 560 chipset Also, i would like to know the kind of powersource i would need to run my computer effectively, or at all, for that matter. Last edited by JudgeDreadLocks; January 27th, 2008 at 01:27.. Reason: more questions/info

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January 26th, 2008, 20:44	#2
Tilla Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 157	Looks good Hope you're planning to run a 64-bit OS (Vista64 or Xp64) because otherwise you can't use 4GB of RAM. __________________ Playstation 3 80GB Intel Core2Duo E6750 2.9 Ghz (Overclocked to 3.2 Ghz)~4x1GB OCZ PC2-6400 RAM~Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA2 HDD~Seagate Barracuda 1000 GB SATA2 HDD~Powercolor Radeon HD 5850~Windows 7 Ultimate

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JudgeDreadLocks The Nicest Black Guy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NY Posts: 181	what r the downsides to a 64-bit OS? also, i heard there are power source minumums based on video cards and ram. the case comes with 420W power supply. Do i need more than that? i was thinkin of getting the 750W power supply... Last edited by JudgeDreadLocks; January 26th, 2008 at 20:59..

January 26th, 2008, 22:16	#6
JudgeDreadLocks The Nicest Black Guy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NY Posts: 181	so i basicly only need 64-bit for the 4GB ram? i dont know what that address thing you were talkin bout means... to answer the aboves question, im buying my comp from ibuypower.com, and its like a desktop special. it doesnt give me the choice of any other type of processor except AMD Athlon. is that processor bad? its like, the most expensive dual core on the page Last edited by JudgeDreadLocks; January 26th, 2008 at 22:21..

January 26th, 2008, 23:01	#7
Thanakil Wheee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Qc, Can Posts: 3,116	Well, I wouldn't call it bad, it's just you can usually get better performance/price ratio (and kinda performance alone too) from a intel CPU. The one they show is which one exactly, the 6400? (I think that's what I've seen with "Black Edition" on their website). It's clocked at 3.2ghz (which is good), it's quite fast and all, and the price doesn't look too bad. It's just that I'd usually recommend one of the new 45nm cpu intel processor instead, but the athlon is still good. (the Intel CPU is especially easy to OC, possibility to OC to 4ghz and + without too much problems) __________________ Land: burned; sea: boiled; unable to acquire sky, please wait...

January 26th, 2008, 23:19	#8
JudgeDreadLocks The Nicest Black Guy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NY Posts: 181	i see... another question, is the quad core processor worth the $40 extra? should i stick with the dual core proccesor? any other compatability issues that come with the quad core? i need answers! and, yes, the black edition is the 6400

January 26th, 2008, 23:24	#9
clerick Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: USA Posts: 35	I personally have a quad core q6600 and I love it over the dual because I do video editing/photoshop work and other multi core needs. A lot of games take full use of both cores, making it when you exit out a cinch with 4 cores. Also a G0 overclocks very good on air with a good cooler (i'm running 3.6 from stock 2.4). Oh and a few things about windows 64 Super annoying driver installation. If the driver is no WQHL you will need to boot while hitting F8 to disable the beta insall protection Some programs will simply not work that impact your hard ware without having special version of the program (such as atitools and rivatuner) *Even though 64 bit windows can use all of your 4gb it's presently absolutely pointless to the gamer. Why? - All games that don't have a 64 bit mode exe will run in 32, which will give slight drop in performance since 32bit is being emulated -A game must be coded to take advantage of the 4gb with the 64 bit exe (and since todays pc games are 95% 32bit only no game will actually use your extra 2gb of ram). __________________ Q6600 @ 3.6 ghz \| 8800 GTX @ 621/1600/2010 \| 4 gig DDR2 @ 800 mhz \| 2 HDD SATA Raid 0 \| X-Fi sound

January 26th, 2008, 23:50	#10
JudgeDreadLocks The Nicest Black Guy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NY Posts: 181	to thanakil: i dont see a 8xxx version of an intel,but i do see the Intel core 2 Duo Processor E6850 with 2x 3.0 GHz/4Mb L2 Cache. is this better than my black edition? it is cheaper... and quad core is once again a couple a bucks exrta. worth it? also, thanks clerick, u just saved me alot of money. i dont really need 4Gb of ram, so 64bit OS is essentially usless, yes?

January 27th, 2008, 00:00	#12
clerick Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: USA Posts: 35	It is not useless, the future will be 64bit and higher. The fact is currently the people using 64bit are those who do a lot of rendering/modeling (where 8gb + is a norm) or servers where more ram is needed for sql databases. 64 bit code does run faster then 32bit in the same game, however presently there's just not enough games or apps in 64bit code. If you are willing to through the haste of installing drivers every now and then and having slightly lesser performance then go ahead. However keep in mind that 64 does have advantages: once all programs begin to have a 64 bit alternative the need for 32 will disappear. Also theres a gamecube emulator called dolphin that has a 64 bit only version which runs great I should say. __________________ Q6600 @ 3.6 ghz \| 8800 GTX @ 621/1600/2010 \| 4 gig DDR2 @ 800 mhz \| 2 HDD SATA Raid 0 \| X-Fi sound

January 27th, 2008, 01:26	#17
JudgeDreadLocks The Nicest Black Guy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NY Posts: 181	after the OS, about ~$2000 give or take $200 depending on accesories. my main concern is if the intel i mentioned above really better or up to par with the black edition AMD processor

January 27th, 2008, 02:00	#19
JudgeDreadLocks The Nicest Black Guy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NY Posts: 181	yeah, the screen included, 20.1 inches w/ hdmi 1080p support. still need info on processors. perhaps someone could speak to me personally. does anyone have xbox live? i dont have a real computer atm, it would be convienient to use live.