Upgrade Question!?

Vlado · February 27th, 2007, 12:01

Well i think it's time to upgrade my system , so far i've gotten new ram a new hdd and now i'm looking for a new proc , a new mobo and a new video card.
For the moment i can buy the intel c2d E4300 , or for half the price of the c2d i can buy the AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600 or for the same price as the E4300 i can get the AMD Athlon X2 4200.
If i force take some cash from my graphics card budget i can get the E6300.
What do you recomend?If i buy the X2 3600 i can get a more powerfull graphics card , a 7900GS or a x1950pro. if i buy the E4300 i can get the 7600GT or the x1900.

emwearz · February 27th, 2007, 12:08

What I suggest.

Get the E6300 with a Asus P5B Vanilla or Deluxe depending on your budget. With a good cooler (so you can overclock it nicely). Then I suggest you wait until mid range DX10 cards come out and buy one of them, 7900's are pretty much just stupid to buy at the moment as they cost alot and you need to upgrade it soon anyway.

I really don't advise buying a X2, the C2D in terms of PCSX2 (and pretty much everything else) performs so much better (mainly because you can thrash them in overclocking).

That was my $0.02

Note: While you really should of posted this in the Hardware foru, im goign to leave it here on the basis that your asking about performance in PCSX2, if you would like it moved, drop me a pm or reply here.

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tuanming · February 27th, 2007, 12:26

Agreed with emwearz. The E6300 is one of the most overclockable cpu with proper hardwares. If you're on a budget, you could step up one level and get the P5B-E which can surely get you up to 3.6GHz or more with the right hardwares of course ^)^. You'd need some good DDR2 800 for that to happen.

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dashboardy · February 27th, 2007, 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlado

Well i think it's time to upgrade my system , so far i've gotten new ram a new hdd and now i'm looking for a new proc , a new mobo and a new video card.
For the moment i can buy the intel c2d E4300 , or for half the price of the c2d i can buy the AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600 or for the same price as the E4300 i can get the AMD Athlon X2 4200.
If i force take some cash from my graphics card budget i can get the E6300.
What do you recomend?If i buy the X2 3600 i can get a more powerfull graphics card , a 7900GS or a x1950pro. if i buy the E4300 i can get the 7600GT or the x1900.

core2 is better for pcsx2. simply put. overclocked or not, clock for clock core 2 > athlon x2

What kinda RAM u got? I'm guessing DDR cause Athlon boards don't support DDR2 afaik. If u have DDR2 that'll make the choice easy. also note your OC will suck if you only have DDR (with Core 2). If you have only DDR make sure your chipset doesn't require DDR2 with Core 2.

Vlado · February 27th, 2007, 12:46

I have a 2x512 DDR2 800Mhz Ram , got them at a bargain.
Emwearz isn't the e4300 more overclockable?
And yes i'm probably gonna wait for a mid range dx10 card , but for the moment i'm gonna buy miself a 6600GT 256mb 256 bit.
It's a really nice card and i can get it for about 46$ used for about 5 months.
Thing is i was planning to make it a small unit and as silent as posible.

nepsquare · February 27th, 2007, 13:04

Hmm, got the e6400 on a P5B @ 3Ghz...Replacing Memory didn't make the fps go up anymore, nor did clocking my cpu to 3,21Ghz. (for me: no difference in 533 or 800??)

My bottleneck was my gfrx card. And after some VGA charts investigations, I found that the budget eVGA 8800gts 320mb (319 euro's) was the best buy for the money atm. Don't waste your money on anything else but that card, the x1950xt+, 7950GTX or GX2... Because all the latter are more expensive, make a easy jump to dx10.

My few cents.

Vlado · February 27th, 2007, 13:08

Ok , i've been thinking to keep this rig next to my monitor and when i wanna watch a movie or smth in HD to take it to my plasma in the Living Room , i've found a particulary small case , the Antec NSK2400 that i like , but i don't think i can fit a c2d a nice mobo and any graphics card in that.

Antec NSK2400 Media PC Case | silentpcreview.com here's a review of the Antec case , what do you think?
What microatx board would your recomend for a c2d?

Last edited by Vlado; February 27th, 2007 at 13:28.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

tuanming · February 27th, 2007, 14:43

The E4300 have a fsb wall at around 400! And the E6300 fsb wall? try 600+

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nepsquare · February 27th, 2007, 14:49

MicroATX? Anything BUT the P5MX2-VM or the likes: no dualchannel, ddr2 533 max and I think even a FSB wall of 300... I don't remember.

Anywho, good luck!

Chobi San · February 27th, 2007, 15:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlado

Ok , i've been thinking to keep this rig next to my monitor and when i wanna watch a movie or smth in HD to take it to my plasma in the Living Room , i've found a particulary small case , the Antec NSK2400 that i like , but i don't think i can fit a c2d a nice mobo and any graphics card in that.

Antec NSK2400 Media PC Case | silentpcreview.com here's a review of the Antec case , what do you think?
What microatx board would your recomend for a c2d?

If you are planning on eventually getting a mid-range DX10 card I'd buy a much bigger case because the Nvidia 8000 series and ATI R600 are huuugee, so they probably won't fit in. (unless you are gonna buy a new case when you get your new GPU

)

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Vlado · February 27th, 2007, 16:28

Abit Fatality F-I90HD
Procesor support Intel Core2 Quad, Core2 Duo, Pentium D
Socket LGA 775
Chipset RS600/SB600
Format micro ATX
FSB 1066 / 800MHz
Memory Type dual-channel DDR2
Bus memory 800/667/533
It's about 140$.
I've bought UMAX 1GB 800MHz DDR2 Ram and a 6600GT.
Next i'm gonna buy the mobo , the proc and the case.
For the moment i don't really give a rat's arse about the 8800gs , i'm looking into the 8600Gt that's smaller or something in that range.
For the next few months the overclocked 6600 will do miracles for me

dashboardy · February 27th, 2007, 17:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by nepsquare

Hmm, got the e6400 on a P5B @ 3Ghz...Replacing Memory didn't make the fps go up anymore, nor did clocking my cpu to 3,21Ghz. (for me: no difference in 533 or 800??)

My bottleneck was my gfrx card. And after some VGA charts investigations, I found that the budget eVGA 8800gts 320mb (319 euro's) was the best buy for the money atm. Don't waste your money on anything else but that card, the x1950xt+, 7950GTX or GX2... Because all the latter are more expensive, make a easy jump to dx10.

My few cents.

319 euros??? ouch - can get it for $370 CDN here: 8800 GTS (eVGA)

Vlado · February 27th, 2007, 17:41

It's 354,3 USD here in Romania

, compared to the 49$ 6600GT i'm gonna get it's way out of my league.

nepsquare · February 28th, 2007, 11:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by dashboardy

319 euros??? ouch - can get it for $370 CDN here: 8800 GTS (eVGA)

OUCH!! You said it! That's like 280euro's! Anywho, I did have the comfort of errr... getting it from the store myself... That was really lucrative

Hopefully that 6X00gt won't bottleneck ur proc's speed... Nontheless, it's a good buy if you just need a pci-e vga card...

Forget all I said, but never go cheap on your mobo!

Last edited by nepsquare; February 28th, 2007 at 11:23.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

dashboardy · February 28th, 2007, 17:13

hehe actually that's more like 240 euro's. (canadian dollars...) - I guess they must manufacture them here (North America)? where are you from?

anyways yeah for any gaming the 6600gt is gonna kill your performance, no doubt about it. for one, it's not a new gen proc (or even last gen, i guess new gen for nvidia is the 8x00 series). but if you're matching a Core 2 to that chip it's gonna be bottlenecked by your gfx card EVERY time.

February 27th, 2007, 12:01	#1
Vlado Veni, vidi, vici! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sera Posts: 312	Upgrade Question!? Well i think it's time to upgrade my system , so far i've gotten new ram a new hdd and now i'm looking for a new proc , a new mobo and a new video card. For the moment i can buy the intel c2d E4300 , or for half the price of the c2d i can buy the AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600 or for the same price as the E4300 i can get the AMD Athlon X2 4200. If i force take some cash from my graphics card budget i can get the E6300. What do you recomend?If i buy the X2 3600 i can get a more powerfull graphics card , a 7900GS or a x1950pro. if i buy the E4300 i can get the 7600GT or the x1900.

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February 27th, 2007, 12:08	#2
emwearz Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,604	What I suggest. Get the E6300 with a Asus P5B Vanilla or Deluxe depending on your budget. With a good cooler (so you can overclock it nicely). Then I suggest you wait until mid range DX10 cards come out and buy one of them, 7900's are pretty much just stupid to buy at the moment as they cost alot and you need to upgrade it soon anyway. I really don't advise buying a X2, the C2D in terms of PCSX2 (and pretty much everything else) performs so much better (mainly because you can thrash them in overclocking). That was my $0.02 Note: While you really should of posted this in the Hardware foru, im goign to leave it here on the basis that your asking about performance in PCSX2, if you would like it moved, drop me a pm or reply here. __________________ - No Jobs On A Dead Planet - Welcome to EMerica .:\|:. You're mine now

February 27th, 2007, 12:26	#3
tuanming Final Fantasy XXX Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA, TX Posts: 2,413	Agreed with emwearz. The E6300 is one of the most overclockable cpu with proper hardwares. If you're on a budget, you could step up one level and get the P5B-E which can surely get you up to 3.6GHz or more with the right hardwares of course ^)^. You'd need some good DDR2 800 for that to happen. __________________ Intel Core2Duo E6300 1.86Ghz L629A244 @ 3.78GHz Asus P5K-E Wifi/AP Rev.1.02g Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120+ FM121 (110 cfm fan) ATI x1900 GT Rev.2 256mb 513/657 G.Skill 2x1gb Hz--540MHz CORSAIR CMPSU-1000HX 1000W

February 27th, 2007, 12:46	#5
Vlado Veni, vidi, vici! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sera Posts: 312	I have a 2x512 DDR2 800Mhz Ram , got them at a bargain. Emwearz isn't the e4300 more overclockable? And yes i'm probably gonna wait for a mid range dx10 card , but for the moment i'm gonna buy miself a 6600GT 256mb 256 bit. It's a really nice card and i can get it for about 46$ used for about 5 months. Thing is i was planning to make it a small unit and as silent as posible.

February 27th, 2007, 13:04	#6
nepsquare ...the weird turned Pro? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: In my own reference frame... Posts: 232	Hmm, got the e6400 on a P5B @ 3Ghz...Replacing Memory didn't make the fps go up anymore, nor did clocking my cpu to 3,21Ghz. (for me: no difference in 533 or 800??) My bottleneck was my gfrx card. And after some VGA charts investigations, I found that the budget eVGA 8800gts 320mb (319 euro's) was the best buy for the money atm. Don't waste your money on anything else but that card, the x1950xt+, 7950GTX or GX2... Because all the latter are more expensive, make a easy jump to dx10. My few cents.

February 27th, 2007, 13:08	#7
Vlado Veni, vidi, vici! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sera Posts: 312	Ok , i've been thinking to keep this rig next to my monitor and when i wanna watch a movie or smth in HD to take it to my plasma in the Living Room , i've found a particulary small case , the Antec NSK2400 that i like , but i don't think i can fit a c2d a nice mobo and any graphics card in that. Antec NSK2400 Media PC Case \| silentpcreview.com here's a review of the Antec case , what do you think? What microatx board would your recomend for a c2d? Last edited by Vlado; February 27th, 2007 at 13:28.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

February 27th, 2007, 14:43	#8
tuanming Final Fantasy XXX Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA, TX Posts: 2,413	The E4300 have a fsb wall at around 400! And the E6300 fsb wall? try 600+ __________________ Intel Core2Duo E6300 1.86Ghz L629A244 @ 3.78GHz Asus P5K-E Wifi/AP Rev.1.02g Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120+ FM121 (110 cfm fan) ATI x1900 GT Rev.2 256mb 513/657 G.Skill 2x1gb Hz--540MHz CORSAIR CMPSU-1000HX 1000W

February 27th, 2007, 14:49	#9
nepsquare ...the weird turned Pro? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: In my own reference frame... Posts: 232	MicroATX? Anything BUT the P5MX2-VM or the likes: no dualchannel, ddr2 533 max and I think even a FSB wall of 300... I don't remember. Anywho, good luck!

February 27th, 2007, 16:28	#11
Vlado Veni, vidi, vici! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sera Posts: 312	Abit Fatality F-I90HD Procesor support Intel Core2 Quad, Core2 Duo, Pentium D Socket LGA 775 Chipset RS600/SB600 Format micro ATX FSB 1066 / 800MHz Memory Type dual-channel DDR2 Bus memory 800/667/533 It's about 140$. I've bought UMAX 1GB 800MHz DDR2 Ram and a 6600GT. Next i'm gonna buy the mobo , the proc and the case. For the moment i don't really give a rat's arse about the 8800gs , i'm looking into the 8600Gt that's smaller or something in that range. For the next few months the overclocked 6600 will do miracles for me

February 27th, 2007, 17:41	#13
Vlado Veni, vidi, vici! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sera Posts: 312	It's 354,3 USD here in Romania , compared to the 49$ 6600GT i'm gonna get it's way out of my league.

February 28th, 2007, 17:13	#15
dashboardy Hardware Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: blah Posts: 807	hehe actually that's more like 240 euro's. (canadian dollars...) - I guess they must manufacture them here (North America)? where are you from? anyways yeah for any gaming the 6600gt is gonna kill your performance, no doubt about it. for one, it's not a new gen proc (or even last gen, i guess new gen for nvidia is the 8x00 series). but if you're matching a Core 2 to that chip it's gonna be bottlenecked by your gfx card EVERY time.