Why Core 2 Due is better Pentium D?

hamoood · February 7th, 2007, 17:49

Hi,

First i know this maybe not the right place to post this. But i'm posting this here cuz i think PCSX2 is best way to test CPU Performances

My question is the same as the topic title "Why Core 2 Due is better than Pentium D?"

I have compared between "Pentium Extreme Edition 965 Processor" Vs "Core 2 Duo E6600 Dual Core Processor" which one will be faster on PCSX2 and why ?

from what i read i see that "Core 2 Due" is much better than Pentium D.

Thanks!

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**refraction** · February 7th, 2007, 17:51

because the Pentium D is based on pentium 4 architecture, which sucks ass, Core 2 however is loosely based on P3 which is very efficient for the clockspeed, they go faster than pretty much anything out there.

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hamoood · February 7th, 2007, 17:58

Thanks refraction, for the Answer,

Well i'm planning to buy a new computer So what do u advise me to buy "Intel® Core™2 Extreme X6800 (4MB L2 Cache,2.93GHz,1066 FSB)" or "Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E6600 (4MB L2 Cache,2.4GHz,1066 FSB"

i don't know why the Price of "Intel Core 2 Extreme" much more than "E6600"

it is worth than E6600, which it will give me much more FPS Boot ?

Thanks

par · February 7th, 2007, 18:01

the x6800 will give you at most 20% more speed. there's no real difference between it and the e6600 apart from clock speed.

if you're willing to overclock (and you should be), that e6600 is a much better buy for the money, since people regularly run it at around 3.2ghz.

hamoood · February 7th, 2007, 18:07

Thanks Par, for the Answer,

hmmm
Do you know how much i can overclock "Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800" ?

par · February 7th, 2007, 18:38

well probably a bit further than the e6600, but at certain levels the cooling becomes a problem.

it's -possible- to run the e6600, e6700 and x6800 cpus at 4.5ghz or higher, but it requires chilled-water cooling, phase change, or similar exotic means.

if you stick with air cooling, perhaps getting a high-end air cooler to replace intel's stock one (say a scythe ninja or similar) and increase the chip's voltage a bit, you could hit around 3.6ghz stably, with any of the core 2 duo chips.

NexXxus · February 7th, 2007, 20:27

mine works with 3.6ghz @1,465V vcore stable and i get max 63C with an Scythe Infinity.

hamoood · February 7th, 2007, 20:27

Thanks again Par, I think i will just buy E6600 and forget about X6800

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skoreanime · February 7th, 2007, 21:21

The X6800 are for people with money to spend :P. Stick with the E6600 or E6400, both are superd performers.

jusTiC3 · February 7th, 2007, 21:25

the e6600 have more l2 cache than the e6400 (4 instead of 2 mb)... but i would recommend also the e6600 - this cpu have more over clocking potential than the xtreme series

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**refraction** · February 7th, 2007, 21:38

yeh the e6600 certainly gives the best bang for buck

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kinzuagolfer · February 7th, 2007, 21:43

In this thread there is a link to a article about intel price cuts and e6400 getting 4mb L2 cache. You'll have to wait for these for a while longer.

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par · February 7th, 2007, 22:50

those will be the e6350 and e6450, due around april i believe. such a low multiplier can get you fsb-limited on your overclock.

cidcarioca · February 8th, 2007, 03:10

I have E6300 and when I turn on the MTGS on emulator, any game runs 5 seconds and the emulator close.

tuanming · February 8th, 2007, 04:17

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Originally Posted by cidcarioca

I have E6300 and when I turn on the MTGS on emulator, any game runs 5 seconds and the emulator close.

The E6300 is not to blame if you can't get pcsx2 to work properly...I guess you have not read the configuration guide...

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emwearz · February 8th, 2007, 04:18

cidcarioca did you do a fresh install of windows when you first got your rig. Is Dual core set up correctly. Some games are also not compatible with MTGS.

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DaStinger77 · February 8th, 2007, 05:07

Isnt there some patch that needs to be applied to windows for dual core to work properly? Dont have one myslef, but i think i read that somewhere....

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dashboardy · February 8th, 2007, 05:12

yeah there is one for Windows XP SP2... dual core hotfix CPU hotfix

skoreanime · February 8th, 2007, 05:14

I didn't have to do a patch from a fresh XP Pro install. Just let M$ update run, install and I was good.

The E6600 is a fine choice, best bang per buck. However, I read that the 2mb difference in cache is negligible unless you're an extreme gamer and/or work with editing videos and such. I think they said it's a 1-3% increase in performance from browsing the web to playing games.

dashboardy · February 8th, 2007, 05:18

yes i'll second that - the extra 2 mb L2 cache is not a big influence - just the CPU speed. You can save 100 bucks and get an E6300 (and overclock it nicely

) but as people have been saying, e6600 is a great deal

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February 7th, 2007, 17:58	#3
hamoood Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: ♥ Posts: 184	Thanks refraction, for the Answer, Well i'm planning to buy a new computer So what do u advise me to buy "Intel® Core™2 Extreme X6800 (4MB L2 Cache,2.93GHz,1066 FSB)" or "Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E6600 (4MB L2 Cache,2.4GHz,1066 FSB" i don't know why the Price of "Intel Core 2 Extreme" much more than "E6600" it is worth than E6600, which it will give me much more FPS Boot ? Thanks

February 7th, 2007, 18:01	#4
par Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: usa Posts: 181	the x6800 will give you at most 20% more speed. there's no real difference between it and the e6600 apart from clock speed. if you're willing to overclock (and you should be), that e6600 is a much better buy for the money, since people regularly run it at around 3.2ghz.

February 7th, 2007, 18:07	#5
hamoood Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: ♥ Posts: 184	Thanks Par, for the Answer, hmmm Do you know how much i can overclock "Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800" ?

February 7th, 2007, 18:38	#6
par Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: usa Posts: 181	well probably a bit further than the e6600, but at certain levels the cooling becomes a problem. it's -possible- to run the e6600, e6700 and x6800 cpus at 4.5ghz or higher, but it requires chilled-water cooling, phase change, or similar exotic means. if you stick with air cooling, perhaps getting a high-end air cooler to replace intel's stock one (say a scythe ninja or similar) and increase the chip's voltage a bit, you could hit around 3.6ghz stably, with any of the core 2 duo chips.

February 7th, 2007, 20:27	#7
NexXxus it'se miku! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Cologne, Germany Posts: 3,609	mine works with 3.6ghz @1,465V vcore stable and i get max 63C with an Scythe Infinity.

February 7th, 2007, 21:21	#9
skoreanime Your resident reaper... Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 6,031	The X6800 are for people with money to spend :P. Stick with the E6600 or E6400, both are superd performers.

February 7th, 2007, 21:25	#10
jusTiC3 emulation. emu... what??? Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 475	the e6600 have more l2 cache than the e6400 (4 instead of 2 mb)... but i would recommend also the e6600 - this cpu have more over clocking potential than the xtreme series __________________ ASUS X7BSV

February 7th, 2007, 21:43	#12
kinzuagolfer Mumbo Jumbo -> Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA, Oregon Posts: 594	In this thread there is a link to a article about intel price cuts and e6400 getting 4mb L2 cache. You'll have to wait for these for a while longer. __________________ Phenom x4 2.8ghz, 8gb 1333mhz, Pny 240

February 7th, 2007, 22:50	#13
par Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: usa Posts: 181	those will be the e6350 and e6450, due around april i believe. such a low multiplier can get you fsb-limited on your overclock.

February 8th, 2007, 03:10	#14
cidcarioca Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rio Posts: 2	I have E6300 and when I turn on the MTGS on emulator, any game runs 5 seconds and the emulator close.

February 8th, 2007, 04:18	#16
emwearz Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,604	cidcarioca did you do a fresh install of windows when you first got your rig. Is Dual core set up correctly. Some games are also not compatible with MTGS. __________________ - No Jobs On A Dead Planet - Welcome to EMerica .:\|:. You're mine now

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DaStinger77 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 443	Isnt there some patch that needs to be applied to windows for dual core to work properly? Dont have one myslef, but i think i read that somewhere.... __________________ DFI Blood Iron P35 Wolfdale E8400 @ 4GHz 4GB OCZ EL Platinum XTC DDR2-800 XFX Radeon HD 5850 1GB XXX Edition OCZ GameXtreme 600W

February 8th, 2007, 05:12	#18
dashboardy Hardware Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: blah Posts: 807	yeah there is one for Windows XP SP2... dual core hotfix CPU hotfix

February 8th, 2007, 05:14	#19
skoreanime Your resident reaper... Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 6,031	I didn't have to do a patch from a fresh XP Pro install. Just let M$ update run, install and I was good. The E6600 is a fine choice, best bang per buck. However, I read that the 2mb difference in cache is negligible unless you're an extreme gamer and/or work with editing videos and such. I think they said it's a 1-3% increase in performance from browsing the web to playing games.

February 8th, 2007, 05:18	#20
dashboardy Hardware Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: blah Posts: 807	yes i'll second that - the extra 2 mb L2 cache is not a big influence - just the CPU speed. You can save 100 bucks and get an E6300 (and overclock it nicely ) but as people have been saying, e6600 is a great deal