OK! Question WinXp ws Win2k

eyepopper776 · January 15th, 2007, 02:09

Good! Now for my question... How come from 11-15 fps ingame on Win2k i get as low as 2-3 fps (even lower) on winxp ?
And yes, WinXP has themes and server network services disabled.

shockertwin · January 15th, 2007, 04:32

lots of people have noticed tat 2k is quite a bit faster than xp. Not speaking of pcsx2 i mean. Anyway, keep in mind, xp is pretty much a BLOATED 2k. If you have 2k and your looking for speed instead of features, use 2k.

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parman_donk · January 15th, 2007, 04:36

maybe because you have many sins ...hehhehe... sorry, just kidding.

Show us your computer spec.! and make sure there are no malware on your computer.

Maybe your computer spec hasn't reach the requirement for using WinXP...

eyepopper776 · January 15th, 2007, 15:04

my PC:
AMD Duron 1300 Mhz
396 RAM (PC2100)
HDD Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 8 (7200 RPM)
MB ECS K7VMM+ Rev 3.1 (no BIOS updates)
Leadtek A340T (GeforceFX 5200 128MB)

I remember having FAT32 on win2k while on XP I have NTFS.
Could this be a factor as well?

Nightmare85 · January 15th, 2007, 15:33

XP needs a better pc than 2k does.
And your pc seems not so good, sorry.
I think your main problem is the RAM!
But your CPU is not strong, too, but maybe enough (for XP).

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NexXxus · January 15th, 2007, 15:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by eyepopper776

my PC:
AMD Duron 1300 Mhz
396 RAM (PC2100)
Leadtek A340T (GeforceFX 5200 128MB)

LOL OMFG forget it.......
graphic card should be ok when you overclock it and don't using AA or BF.

but the rest of the system is

you can be lucky when you reach 2fps in ffx ^^

Nightmare85 · January 15th, 2007, 16:11

@eyepopper776:
Where did you get 11-15 fps?

P.S. You should be satisfied, if you even can run a ps1 emulator without problems...

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eyepopper776 · January 15th, 2007, 19:53

@Nightmare85:
I got 11-15 fps in FFX, the room where you get the filnt and withered bouquet. In most areas I get 7-9 fps (on win2k). RE4 got me 5-6 fps in closed areas and 3-4 in wide areas. (again, on win2k) BTW I don't use AA or BF.

PS: I smoked the PS1 emulators (WTF do you think i've beaten FF7-FF9).I also tested most GC emus and got 3-6 in 3D and 20-40 in 2D.

PS2: I can also play Gothic3 on my machine (Worse than LOW settings to get 50 fps, but still)

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tuanming · January 15th, 2007, 19:58

Windows 2k and Windows XP perform exactly the same...Slow fps have nothing to do with Windows (exclude Vista..) you have a antique pc so you get what you have...

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Dantar · January 15th, 2007, 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by eyepopper776

@Nightmare85:
I got 11-15 fps in FFX, the room where you get the filnt and withered bouquet.

Props for getting that far without getting frustrated by the lack of speed!

jusTiC3 · January 15th, 2007, 20:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by tuanming

Windows 2k and Windows XP perform exactly the same...Slow fps have nothing to do with Windows (exclude Vista..) you have a antique pc so you get what you have...

i've noticed no speed difference between xp and vista (aero is enabled).

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tuanming · January 15th, 2007, 21:24

@ jusTiC3

Maybe because of C2D + great gpu. Not sure about other system like P4 and AMD cpu...

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parman_donk · January 16th, 2007, 03:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by eyepopper776

my PC:
AMD Duron 1300 Mhz
396 RAM (PC2100)
HDD Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 8 (7200 RPM)
MB ECS K7VMM+ Rev 3.1 (no BIOS updates)
Leadtek A340T (GeforceFX 5200 128MB)

I remember having FAT32 on win2k while on XP I have NTFS.
Could this be a factor as well?

Just as I though...... an oldschool PC!

You should buy a better pc to emulate PS2 games AND to use WinXP

And it doesnt matter if you are using FAT 32 or NTFS cuz the performance has no different.
The difference is just about the security system on NTFS that not included in FAT32

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shockertwin · January 16th, 2007, 04:15

considering the amount of ram he has, i would say that he will get much better performance out of 2k than xp. If he upgraded the ram, he would probably see somethign similar. Although i dont know how he is hitt 10-15 in final fantasy 10..

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tkSteveFOX · January 16th, 2007, 10:18

if you want even more speed why not switch to 98 or even 95.I think the guys should make a DOS emulator.Be serious win2k is better than XP but it lacks compatability.

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eyepopper776 · January 17th, 2007, 21:32

Really sorry to bump up the thread but in the end I managed to give WinXp TEH FINGER. It still runs slower than on Win2k but wtf...

BTW the two reasons I replaced 2k were:
1) Security Updates
2) PCSX2 VM build - sadly this doesn't work so it falls as a reason.
No offense.

Anyway, keep up the good work pcsx2 team.(More SSE updates

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inforce · January 17th, 2007, 21:51

the fx5200 was by far _THE_ worst card i have ever owned. I also had a TNT2 and i used my tnt2 m64 a whole lot more than i ever used my fx5200. what does that tell you? The 5 series wasn't all that impressive because the six series was hot on it's heels and yah.. i only found more "issues" when i ran a fx5200 " overclocked edition from BFG" .. good company, bad chipset.

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eyepopper776 · January 17th, 2007, 21:55

Well, my other choice is the incorporated S3 SavagePro 4 (32MB share). So I really don't have a choice in cards...

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inforce · January 17th, 2007, 21:59

yah just forget ps2 emualtion.. thats what i am doing till i get new stuff.. and i even have a new computer.. no wonder why single core's are so cheap! aahaha just use your existing case / power / hd / cd and buy a new motherboard cpu combo.. i hear the core duo 1.86ghz is a cheap one and you can overclockit to around 3 ghz.. and shouldn't set you back more than 200 bucks or whatever. And then you can start saving for a nice card to throw in the pci express slot. Just go on amazon.com and start selling stuff around your house till you have enough moolah. My girlfriend works at the Theaters here (she manages them) so i have about 200 movie theaters sized custom posters from the box office i am selling.. and im selling a bunch of other crap like a cdrw i took out of my oem system when i put my Dual Layer dvd burner in and also an old dvd-rom , some network cards, just a bunch of crap.. and diablo 2 in the box, needfs most wanted in box, nwn diamond in box.. and im also gonna save some money up ..

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tkSteveFOX · January 18th, 2007, 08:35

the 5200 is the worst VGA in the entire VGA history

, next to the Savage2000(with the not working TnL modul).Anyway yesterday i just played Rainbow Six Vegas on my PC wich is a 3500+ AMD64 with 768 ram and X1600XT(OC) and at a resolution of 1024x768 it ran beautifully.I doubt that PS2 games can even come close to that sort of graphics.So i really think there`s no need for a CPU upgrade just to play PS2 games.And Vista will bring a richer gaming experience , it`s now confirmed that Vista games will run faster than on XP , cause it will take full advantage of the hardware unlike XP .So my suggestion is waith for Vista.It`s amazing Vista installs faster than the XP but is 3 times bigger.

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The heavens are torn apart. Revealing my fate.
They are calling me......
And I can't get round the way you left me out in the open
To leave me to die!
So how can I, forget the way you lead me through the path into Heaven
To leave me behind!
Now I can stay behind
Save me, from wreaking my vengeance
Upon you, to killing more than I can tell
Burning now I bring you Hell!
End this suffering.

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eyepopper776 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Romania Posts: 105	OK! Question WinXp ws Win2k Good! Now for my question... How come from 11-15 fps ingame on Win2k i get as low as 2-3 fps (even lower) on winxp ? And yes, WinXP has themes and server network services disabled.

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January 15th, 2007, 04:32	#2
shockertwin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 325	lots of people have noticed tat 2k is quite a bit faster than xp. Not speaking of pcsx2 i mean. Anyway, keep in mind, xp is pretty much a BLOATED 2k. If you have 2k and your looking for speed instead of features, use 2k. __________________ Core 2 Duo E6750 @ 2.66 -=- Asus P5B -=- 2048 Corsair Platinum @800 4-4-4-15 -=- GeForce 8800 gts 640mb -=- OCZ GameXtreme 850W -=- Soundblaster X-Fi Extreme Gamer -=- Logitech Z-5300 5.1 THX Sound -=- Antec P180 -=- Duel ViewSonic VX924 19" -=- Logitech G5 Gaming Mouse -=- Windows Vista x86, Gentoo Linux 2007 (2.6.22-r5) -=- Saitek P880, Logitech Duel Action Gamepad

January 15th, 2007, 04:36	#3
parman_donk Donkey Lord Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Right Here! Posts: 419	maybe because you have many sins ...hehhehe... sorry, just kidding. Show us your computer spec.! and make sure there are no malware on your computer. Maybe your computer spec hasn't reach the requirement for using WinXP...

January 15th, 2007, 15:04	#4
eyepopper776 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Romania Posts: 105	my PC: AMD Duron 1300 Mhz 396 RAM (PC2100) HDD Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 8 (7200 RPM) MB ECS K7VMM+ Rev 3.1 (no BIOS updates) Leadtek A340T (GeforceFX 5200 128MB) I remember having FAT32 on win2k while on XP I have NTFS. Could this be a factor as well?

January 15th, 2007, 15:33	#5
Nightmare85 Registrierter Benutzer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 206	XP needs a better pc than 2k does. And your pc seems not so good, sorry. I think your main problem is the RAM! But your CPU is not strong, too, but maybe enough (for XP). __________________ Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3,2 GHZ (1,184 V) with Noctua NH12F, XFX GeForce 8800 GTS G92, Kingston HyperX KHX6400D2LLK2/2G (4x 1 GB DDR2-800 CL 4-4-4-12), Asus P5E, Creative X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Fatal1ty Pro with Logitech X-540, Tagan TG580-U22 2force 580 Watt, Western Digital WD6400AAKS + 250 GB external HDD + 80 GB iPod, LG GSA-H10NBB, Logitech G9, Logitech G15, Logitech Cordless Rumblepad 2, Logitech Rumblepad 2 refresh, Cooler Master Cavalier (Window-Kit), 22" TFT monitor, WinXP Pro SP3

January 15th, 2007, 16:11	#7
Nightmare85 Registrierter Benutzer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 206	@eyepopper776: Where did you get 11-15 fps? P.S. You should be satisfied, if you even can run a ps1 emulator without problems... __________________ Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3,2 GHZ (1,184 V) with Noctua NH12F, XFX GeForce 8800 GTS G92, Kingston HyperX KHX6400D2LLK2/2G (4x 1 GB DDR2-800 CL 4-4-4-12), Asus P5E, Creative X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Fatal1ty Pro with Logitech X-540, Tagan TG580-U22 2force 580 Watt, Western Digital WD6400AAKS + 250 GB external HDD + 80 GB iPod, LG GSA-H10NBB, Logitech G9, Logitech G15, Logitech Cordless Rumblepad 2, Logitech Rumblepad 2 refresh, Cooler Master Cavalier (Window-Kit), 22" TFT monitor, WinXP Pro SP3

January 15th, 2007, 19:53	#8
eyepopper776 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Romania Posts: 105	@Nightmare85: I got 11-15 fps in FFX, the room where you get the filnt and withered bouquet. In most areas I get 7-9 fps (on win2k). RE4 got me 5-6 fps in closed areas and 3-4 in wide areas. (again, on win2k) BTW I don't use AA or BF. PS: I smoked the PS1 emulators (WTF do you think i've beaten FF7-FF9).I also tested most GC emus and got 3-6 in 3D and 20-40 in 2D. PS2: I can also play Gothic3 on my machine (Worse than LOW settings to get 50 fps, but still) __________________ My development (& gaming) PC: OS: Windows XP Pro 64 SP1 CPU: AMD Sempron 1150-LE @ 2 ghz GPU: GeForce 6200 128 MB RAM HDD: Western Digital 80GB SATA Mem: 1024 MB DDR2 Mobo: K8M800 Micro AM2 --------------------- Out of lazyness when posting.

January 15th, 2007, 19:58	#9
tuanming Final Fantasy XXX Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA, TX Posts: 2,413	Windows 2k and Windows XP perform exactly the same...Slow fps have nothing to do with Windows (exclude Vista..) you have a antique pc so you get what you have... __________________ Intel Core2Duo E6300 1.86Ghz L629A244 @ 3.78GHz Asus P5K-E Wifi/AP Rev.1.02g Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120+ FM121 (110 cfm fan) ATI x1900 GT Rev.2 256mb 513/657 G.Skill 2x1gb Hz--540MHz CORSAIR CMPSU-1000HX 1000W

January 15th, 2007, 21:24	#12
tuanming Final Fantasy XXX Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA, TX Posts: 2,413	@ jusTiC3 Maybe because of C2D + great gpu. Not sure about other system like P4 and AMD cpu... __________________ Intel Core2Duo E6300 1.86Ghz L629A244 @ 3.78GHz Asus P5K-E Wifi/AP Rev.1.02g Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120+ FM121 (110 cfm fan) ATI x1900 GT Rev.2 256mb 513/657 G.Skill 2x1gb Hz--540MHz CORSAIR CMPSU-1000HX 1000W

January 16th, 2007, 04:15	#14
shockertwin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 325	considering the amount of ram he has, i would say that he will get much better performance out of 2k than xp. If he upgraded the ram, he would probably see somethign similar. Although i dont know how he is hitt 10-15 in final fantasy 10.. __________________ Core 2 Duo E6750 @ 2.66 -=- Asus P5B -=- 2048 Corsair Platinum @800 4-4-4-15 -=- GeForce 8800 gts 640mb -=- OCZ GameXtreme 850W -=- Soundblaster X-Fi Extreme Gamer -=- Logitech Z-5300 5.1 THX Sound -=- Antec P180 -=- Duel ViewSonic VX924 19" -=- Logitech G5 Gaming Mouse -=- Windows Vista x86, Gentoo Linux 2007 (2.6.22-r5) -=- Saitek P880, Logitech Duel Action Gamepad

January 16th, 2007, 10:18	#15
tkSteveFOX Transformer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 217	if you want even more speed why not switch to 98 or even 95.I think the guys should make a DOS emulator.Be serious win2k is better than XP but it lacks compatability. __________________ I witness my many deaths and all of my resurrections. The heavens are torn apart. Revealing my fate. They are calling me...... And I can't get round the way you left me out in the open To leave me to die! So how can I, forget the way you lead me through the path into Heaven To leave me behind! Now I can stay behind Save me, from wreaking my vengeance Upon you, to killing more than I can tell Burning now I bring you Hell! End this suffering.

January 17th, 2007, 21:51	#17
inforce myspace.com/inforce Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cedar City, Utah Posts: 314	the fx5200 was by far _THE_ worst card i have ever owned. I also had a TNT2 and i used my tnt2 m64 a whole lot more than i ever used my fx5200. what does that tell you? The 5 series wasn't all that impressive because the six series was hot on it's heels and yah.. i only found more "issues" when i ran a fx5200 " overclocked edition from BFG" .. good company, bad chipset. __________________ Intel Celeron D 3.3ghz // 1.5Gigs ddr2 ram Biostar Geforce 7600 GS 400/300 - 550/500 overclocked WindowsXPsp2 // OSx86 // 3626.7kps cable modem 20 inch widescreen LCD // Dual Layer DVDRW C:\ - 80GB D:\ - 80GB Owner and Designer of Hazelingerie.com Star Trek Pwnz!

January 17th, 2007, 21:55	#18
eyepopper776 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Romania Posts: 105	Well, my other choice is the incorporated S3 SavagePro 4 (32MB share). So I really don't have a choice in cards... __________________ My development (& gaming) PC: OS: Windows XP Pro 64 SP1 CPU: AMD Sempron 1150-LE @ 2 ghz GPU: GeForce 6200 128 MB RAM HDD: Western Digital 80GB SATA Mem: 1024 MB DDR2 Mobo: K8M800 Micro AM2 --------------------- Out of lazyness when posting.

January 17th, 2007, 21:59	#19
inforce myspace.com/inforce Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cedar City, Utah Posts: 314	yah just forget ps2 emualtion.. thats what i am doing till i get new stuff.. and i even have a new computer.. no wonder why single core's are so cheap! aahaha just use your existing case / power / hd / cd and buy a new motherboard cpu combo.. i hear the core duo 1.86ghz is a cheap one and you can overclockit to around 3 ghz.. and shouldn't set you back more than 200 bucks or whatever. And then you can start saving for a nice card to throw in the pci express slot. Just go on amazon.com and start selling stuff around your house till you have enough moolah. My girlfriend works at the Theaters here (she manages them) so i have about 200 movie theaters sized custom posters from the box office i am selling.. and im selling a bunch of other crap like a cdrw i took out of my oem system when i put my Dual Layer dvd burner in and also an old dvd-rom , some network cards, just a bunch of crap.. and diablo 2 in the box, needfs most wanted in box, nwn diamond in box.. and im also gonna save some money up .. __________________ Intel Celeron D 3.3ghz // 1.5Gigs ddr2 ram Biostar Geforce 7600 GS 400/300 - 550/500 overclocked WindowsXPsp2 // OSx86 // 3626.7kps cable modem 20 inch widescreen LCD // Dual Layer DVDRW C:\ - 80GB D:\ - 80GB Owner and Designer of Hazelingerie.com Star Trek Pwnz!

January 18th, 2007, 08:35	#20
tkSteveFOX Transformer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 217	the 5200 is the worst VGA in the entire VGA history , next to the Savage2000(with the not working TnL modul).Anyway yesterday i just played Rainbow Six Vegas on my PC wich is a 3500+ AMD64 with 768 ram and X1600XT(OC) and at a resolution of 1024x768 it ran beautifully.I doubt that PS2 games can even come close to that sort of graphics.So i really think there`s no need for a CPU upgrade just to play PS2 games.And Vista will bring a richer gaming experience , it`s now confirmed that Vista games will run faster than on XP , cause it will take full advantage of the hardware unlike XP .So my suggestion is waith for Vista.It`s amazing Vista installs faster than the XP but is 3 times bigger. __________________ I witness my many deaths and all of my resurrections. The heavens are torn apart. Revealing my fate. They are calling me...... And I can't get round the way you left me out in the open To leave me to die! So how can I, forget the way you lead me through the path into Heaven To leave me behind! Now I can stay behind Save me, from wreaking my vengeance Upon you, to killing more than I can tell Burning now I bring you Hell! End this suffering.