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[Xblade]

Your right it isn't the same studio.


Its the same character designer though.

Which means the same art style.

I had also recognized it looking like S-cry-ed as well.

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[Radix865]

Originally Posted by cottonvibes

ahh good someone else has watched it here, i thought i was the only one so i didn't bother making my last post too elaborating.

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I don't see how you can call that ending special, i knew there were only 2 options that this anime would take. Either it would go the bad-route and make Togame die, or it would go the very-good route with a happy ending consisting of what Togame said in one episode (she said she realized she wanted to be a mother and that's what living truely is...); i was really hoping the ending scene would be some futurist scene where both her and Shichika are in the future with children, and shichika is passing on his swordless martial arts to his children (or maybe they will live in peace w/o martial arts).

i thought that by killing off togame it is too typical of these types of anime. it also made me depressed.
togame is what made the anime really good imo, her personality was strong, cute, and intelligent. she was a very original character and i'm very disapointed with her having to die in the end. after i started to love her character they decide to kill her off; was very cruel.

also if togame died, i would have liked shichika to die as well. that would make the ending more like "at least they're together in death."
but instead shichika lives and ends up traveling with the princess! this is the worst because the princess was the one that ordered the masked guy to kill Togame in the first place! without the princess togame would be alive.
also the princess was the one that had more of a right to die than togame, since the princess was of the bloodline of the guy that made the demonic swords in the first place. and she also wanted to overthrow the shogun like togame's father did. it didn't make sense that she ordered togame's death just because of learning togame's origin.

oh also the anime left a bunch of things unclear, or could've elaborated on some points more:
like the significance of Togame's eye changing into the purple cross.
or when togame dies, shichika wispers something to her, but you don't know what he said. I'm thinking he said the same thing her father said to her before he died "i love you very much".
also the anime never shows the fight scene between shichika and the number 1 swordsman.
and it doesn't show the scene when Shichika kills his father. i think its implied that he killed his father before his father could kill his older sister.
it never shows the masked guy without his mask either, or the origins of why the masked guy was friends with the head of the other ninja clan.
i don't really even get why togame wanted to collect the swords that badly either.

oh well. tbh the anime made me depressed this morning because of togame's death. i was really hoping for a good and happy ending. the worst part is she kindof just died in vain, it wasn't really a meaningful death like in other anime where main characters die.

Spoiler:

Actually I think Togames death was meaningful, from the start it was made clear that she had a deep grudge at Shichika's family and even though she said she didn't hold Shichika responsible you could pretty much see that that wasn't exactly true. Her betrayal was many times implied by those "bird" ninjas, as they said she was rotten to the core. Plus it meant that she could die without her killing Shichika who she had begun to love but still couldn't forgive because what his father did, so I tought the ending was, and I don't use this word often, kinda beatiful all things considered.

Reason for the princess to order the death of togame was to perfect Shichika like her grandfather had planned(you did understand that she was the granddaughter of the swordsmith, right?), plus it was the shogun who ordered her killed because, as the princess then revealed, she was the daughter of the rebellious general... The reason for Shichika not killing her in revenge was just that, she wasn't really the culprit, the one who had caused Togame to become what she did and cause her to die was the shogun, not the princess. And shichika never had any quarrel with the princess and he also understood that they (togame and princess) never really hated each other... And that was also why he decided to travel with her, or at least let her hang around.

Togame was collecting the swords to gain fame(and thus power) and eventually take revenge against the shogun. So that would pretty well explain why she was so desperate... It was implied by the ninjas that she might actually use the swords against the shogun, as she was rotten to the core.

Togames eye turning into a purple cross propably pointed to the power she held(as propably did his father) to plan and see further, as her father had seen through the plans of the swordsmith(sorry can't remember the name...). Or it just could be artistic idea as it was that eye that saw the death of his father if I remember it right.

The whole point of not showing the battle between shichika and the no 1 swordsman was to make you wait for the awesome uber cool battle, as presented in the preview, and then instead show you the power of shichikas sister, which was awesome too! I tought it was an ingenious trick...

And as for the masked man and his relation to the head of the ninja clan was that they were both kinda "immortal" and were warriors of the previous era and they had known and battled each other back then and presumably the head of the ninja clan had killed the masked man back then, or obviously at least tought he had...

Originally Posted by cottonvibes

I see, thanks for the info.

Now that i've slept on it, i'm not even sure if i want to start another anime by the same author.
i might try to find a happy anime to lift my spirits.
i still haven't finished Hayate the Combat Butler, but i realized after watching Katanagatari how unfunny Hayate is.
basically i laughed more in an episode of Katanagatari than i would in an episode of Hayate, while Hayate is supposed to be a comedy anime, and Katanagatari just has some random comical relief scenes but isn't supposed to be a comedy.

Hayate not funny??? Huh, I'm rewatching it for the fourth time and I'm still laughing at it... Although I have to say, Katanagatari was pretty funny even though it wasn't really meant to be a comedy. I think it was the contrast of funniness and the serious business it had that made it that funny.

But bakemonogatari is very funny actually, at certain points I mean...

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Originally Posted by Dcollins85

Anyone know what anime this is from?

One Piece

Haven't really watched it but a classmate recognised it.

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Originally Posted by Radix865

One Piece

Haven't really watched it but a classmate recognised it.

Thanks!

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[cottonvibes]

ah thanks for clearing some of those things up Radix.

Originally Posted by Radix865

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Actually I think Togames death was meaningful, from the start it was made clear that she had a deep grudge at Shichika's family and even though she said she didn't hold Shichika responsible you could pretty much see that that wasn't exactly true. Her betrayal was many times implied by those "bird" ninjas, as they said she was rotten to the core. Plus it meant that she could die without her killing Shichika who she had begun to love but still couldn't forgive because what his father did, so I tought the ending was, and I don't use this word often, kinda beatiful all things considered.

Spoiler:

well i asked someone else this same question and they seemed to have the same answer as me: if Togame didn't end up dieing, do you think she really would have killed shichika in the end?
I find it too hard to believe that she would kill him; what do think would have happened?
The guy that recommended the series to me said he thinks she said that stuff to him so that it would make it easier for shichika to forget about her, but didn't truly mean it.
I somewhat think that is true. You have to remember that the main message of her conversation to Shichika in the end was basically "forget about me and live your life the way you want."

I really can't imagine Togame killing off shichika when they were done with the sword hunt as she truly began to love him towards the end; episode 9 makes this pretty obvious when she was very jealous of the other girl who trained shichika in the dojo.

Although her intentions were originally to kill him. And although there definitely was a side of her that wanted revenge; I believe if she had lived she would find it too hard to kill him and not go through with it. The side that loved him would prevail over the side that wanted revenge. She would truly be able to 'change', and ideally the end result would be her newly found dream which she mentioned about living life and becoming a mother.

The other alternative would be if she did somehow go through with killing him, she would probably kill herself after realizing what she had done. Or live a miserable life in regret.

TBH i rather have seen either of these endings instead of the current one where she dies.
Basically because she dies too early, you don't get to see what she would have done given the opportunity. What she says on her deathbed does not necessarily reflect what she would've really done; as mentioned one reason she could've been saying that was in order to ease the pain off Shichika and make him forget about her. Although i know part of her really meant those words, part of her would not let her go through with it. It is curious which side would've prevailed in the end.

Originally Posted by Radix865

Spoiler:

Reason for the princess to order the death of togame was to perfect Shichika like her grandfather had planned(you did understand that she was the granddaughter of the swordsmith, right?), plus it was the shogun who ordered her killed because, as the princess then revealed, she was the daughter of the rebellious general... The reason for Shichika not killing her in revenge was just that, she wasn't really the culprit, the one who had caused Togame to become what she did and cause her to die was the shogun, not the princess. And shichika never had any quarrel with the princess and he also understood that they (togame and princess) never really hated each other... And that was also why he decided to travel with her, or at least let her hang around.

Spoiler:

are you sure she told the shogun about togame's origins?
if she did then i missed that part, i thought emonzaemon just reported the news to the princess, and the princess gave the order for emonzaemon to kill togame after finding out about her origins.
the princess also hated the shogun, so i didn't think she would care enough to send him that information.
i guess if she did tell the shogun, it would be to higher her own status in the rivalry between her and Togame.
however if that is the case, it still essentially means the princess is at fault for togame's death.

Originally Posted by Radix865

Spoiler:

Togame was collecting the swords to gain fame(and thus power) and eventually take revenge against the shogun. So that would pretty well explain why she was so desperate... It was implied by the ninjas that she might actually use the swords against the shogun, as she was rotten to the core.

Togames eye turning into a purple cross propably pointed to the power she held(as propably did his father) to plan and see further, as her father had seen through the plans of the swordsmith(sorry can't remember the name...). Or it just could be artistic idea as it was that eye that saw the death of his father if I remember it right.

The whole point of not showing the battle between shichika and the no 1 swordsman was to make you wait for the awesome uber cool battle, as presented in the preview, and then instead show you the power of shichikas sister, which was awesome too! I tought it was an ingenious trick...

And as for the masked man and his relation to the head of the ninja clan was that they were both kinda "immortal" and were warriors of the previous era and they had known and battled each other back then and presumably the head of the ninja clan had killed the masked man back then, or obviously at least tought he had...

Spoiler:

yeh i also think togame's eye is just because she saw her father die through that eye. i think it was just an artistic point but didn't have any special power (just like her hair turning white).
i don't think togame had the same power as her father about the knowing the "true history" and correcting the future and stuff.
from the conversations with the Holy man, she was like "so that's why my father knew about the falsification of history!" (due to the sword of truth or w/e being buried under their house)
basically from the conversations that took place, to me it implied that she didn't really have the same powers as her father; she seemed pretty clueless as to why her father would say the things he would. if she had the same powers, then she would have been more understanding of her father's words.

as for the masked ninja, Emonzaemon, and the head of the maniwa corps, Houou, being immortals; that's what i was thinking but it wasn't very clear.
well now that i think about it, when Houou was pocessed by the swordsmith Kiki Shikizaki, he said that Houou's power allowed him to steal the life force from other people therefor extending his own life.
Since Houou and Emonzaemon knew each other from the past, and the Aioi clan was killed off ~170 years ago, it implies that both of them have the same power in order to extend their life.
I wonder what is the backstory between them, and why they both had the same powers; Penguin said that they were probably friends and studied ninjutso together, but this doesn't make sense if the Maniwa corps killed off the Aioi clan.
Unless originally they were both part of the Aioi clan, and then Houou started the Maniwa corps clan himself, killing off all of the Aioi clan except for Emonzaemon, who became the last surviving member of the clan.
It would have been cool to see a flashback of the events that happened between the 2 of them in the past.

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Originally Posted by Radix865

Hayate not funny??? Huh, I'm rewatching it for the fourth time and I'm still laughing at it... Although I have to say, Katanagatari was pretty funny even though it wasn't really meant to be a comedy. I think it was the contrast of funniness and the serious business it had that made it that funny.

But bakemonogatari is very funny actually, at certain points I mean...

i find the jokes in hayate pretty lame and childish; only a few of them are actually funny for me.
the show is filled with stuff like "oh we can't show this on the air", and they censor way too much stuff. it gets annoying.
especially because we've all watched anime which shows way more explicit stuff w/o needing censors. part of hayate's downfall is that its aimed for kids.

another downfall is that hayate is just a darn loser and the show doesn't seem to have a strong story or plot. its just about a loser butler who has no luck with money, but random girls like him. for some reason he's super strong, yet the show is not a real action-anime so it doesn't take the fighting seriously.
if the show was primarily an action anime with a strong plot and serious fighting scenes, while just using comedy as a side point, it might've been better.
perhaps the funniest scene in hayate was when the girl saves him as "Mask the Money" super hero; it was just so stupid of a disguise that it was funny. But most of the comedy scenes are just "meh" or kindof annoying for me; the show tries too hard to be funny by putting in silly stuff that just turn out to be lame.
when i think about it, i think just Hayate himself just sucks as a character. his personality doesn't really bring anything to the table, and is pretty generic.

considering Katanagatari had moments that made me laugh, it doesn't surprise me that Bakemonogatari is very funny as you mentioned.
in Katanagatari i really liked that scene in the first episode where Togame would say something like, "surely you've heard of xyz", and Shichika would reply "no..", then togame would keep going with her monolog "exactly... he blablabla... wait what? you haven't heard of him?".
and this happened like like 2~3 times for added lulz.

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At least Hayate no Gotoku is better than School Rumble :P

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Originally Posted by Dcollins85

Anyone know what anime this is from?

i've watched like 320 episodes of one piece before dropping the series.
it was just never ending and was going nowhere.
just a huge adventure with the same thing happening over and over, characters take forever to learn any new moves too.
anyways i recommend staying away from the series unless you don't mind wasting your life watching 500+ episodes of a so-so anime.

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[cottonvibes]

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

At least Hayate no Gotoku is better than School Rumble :P

i don't know how you can say that.
i still haven't been able to find an anime which made me laugh as much as school rumble.
the characters in school rumble also have a lot more life to them, they have more energy and goals that drive their actions; in hayate everyone seems pretty lifeless aside from the blonde haired girl.
hayate also has harem elements to it which i don't like.
in school rumble most of the girls hate harima kenji which ends up putting him in some funny situations.

i guess though it really depends on your sense of humor.
i like more "random" type comedy where random stupid things happen that make no sense but they're so stupid you have to laugh.
like harima being followed by a bunch of zoo animals. or when harima is trying to hide from tenma in a restaurant, and he grabs the waiter and holds him in front of him to disguise himself, and tenma doesn't figure it out.


stuff like that is so stupid it makes me LOL in real life.
and when i'm actually laughing IRL it means i actually think its funny.
in hayate i rarely find myself actually LOLing IRL.

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So basically you only enjoy over the top humour...
For instance to me that moment in School Rumble is plain retarded.

School Rumble's biggest flaw is that 75% of it's humour is based on awkwardness....I don't find such situations funny at all, I find them flinchworthy. And then a further 20% is based on taking jokes too far and overkilling them to the point that if the jokes were Yakumo's kitten she would have been dead 12 times over even if you include the mythical 9 lives.

Now I admit, Hayate no Gotoku does similar but it's narrator puts a funny spin on things and it was obvious from the very first frame of the anime that none of it was to be taken seriously...whereas School Rumble started out as everyday slice of life with a bit of humour and only later proceeded to lose it's marbles.

I gotta admit Hayate no Gotoku hasn't yet made me laugh like Ranma or Tenchi Muyou GxP did but it's been far funnier than School Rumble in just 3 eps.

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Siding with Schumi and Radix Hayate is great, rather then the show having "lame and childish" humor i would rather say you lack the proper humor or state of mind to appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by Strike105X

Siding with Schumi and Radix Hayate is great, rather then the show having "lame and childish" humor i would rather say you lack the proper humor or state of mind to appreciate it.

i won't disagree with that.
you guys and other people think its funny so it must be my personal taste in humor.

in my defense, if you look at the average ratings for School Rumble VS Hayate the Combat Butler, on both ANN and Anime-planet, School Rumble has a bit higher ratings (although not necessarily by much: 8.3 vs 8.0 and 4.2 vs 3.98)
Based on these statistics, it seems people generally like school rumble a tad better.

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Don't get me wrong i don't complain about School Rumble nor compare them i can't do it for a show i haven't seen, also i will be honest ANN's rating is bs, don't count on it when selecting animes otherwise you will miss out. Best example would be Hakuouki, that show excels in everything yet it has a low rating.

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Watched Fafner's special Right of Left except for the fact its not merriest thing i ever seen it was a good watch show wasn't bad at despite the impresion the first 8 eps give it...

Next up jumping to angel links:

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Originally Posted by cottonvibes

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well i asked someone else this same question and they seemed to have the same answer as me: if Togame didn't end up dieing, do you think she really would have killed shichika in the end?
I find it too hard to believe that she would kill him; what do think would have happened?
The guy that recommended the series to me said he thinks she said that stuff to him so that it would make it easier for shichika to forget about her, but didn't truly mean it.
I somewhat think that is true. You have to remember that the main message of her conversation to Shichika in the end was basically "forget about me and live your life the way you want."

I really can't imagine Togame killing off shichika when they were done with the sword hunt as she truly began to love him towards the end; episode 9 makes this pretty obvious when she was very jealous of the other girl who trained shichika in the dojo.

Although her intentions were originally to kill him. And although there definitely was a side of her that wanted revenge; I believe if she had lived she would find it too hard to kill him and not go through with it. The side that loved him would prevail over the side that wanted revenge. She would truly be able to 'change', and ideally the end result would be her newly found dream which she mentioned about living life and becoming a mother.

The other alternative would be if she did somehow go through with killing him, she would probably kill herself after realizing what she had done. Or live a miserable life in regret.

TBH i rather have seen either of these endings instead of the current one where she dies.
Basically because she dies too early, you don't get to see what she would have done given the opportunity. What she says on her deathbed does not necessarily reflect what she would've really done; as mentioned one reason she could've been saying that was in order to ease the pain off Shichika and make him forget about her. Although i know part of her really meant those words, part of her would not let her go through with it. It is curious which side would've prevailed in the end.

I'm spoiler tagging this just in case...

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Hmm, I get what you mean but I still think that have togame die in the end made it better than having a happy ending, the way they did fit in perfectly with the rest of it. And normally I like happy endings, like I kinda feel bad with endings like they did in Chrono Crusade, yes I'm mispelling it, or Clannad but for some reason I really liked the ending in Katanagtari. And I think big part of it was with the role of the princess in it, she wasn't really the bad guy, at least I never felt that way...

Originally Posted by cottonvibes

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are you sure she told the shogun about togame's origins?
if she did then i missed that part, i thought emonzaemon just reported the news to the princess, and the princess gave the order for emonzaemon to kill togame after finding out about her origins.
the princess also hated the shogun, so i didn't think she would care enough to send him that information.
i guess if she did tell the shogun, it would be to higher her own status in the rivalry between her and Togame.
however if that is the case, it still essentially means the princess is at fault for togame's death.

Spoiler:

Hmm, I tought she did... Or was it after Togame's death, while reporting it? Because I kinda remember the shogun at least mentioning it...

Originally Posted by cottonvibes

i find the jokes in hayate pretty lame and childish; only a few of them are actually funny for me.
the show is filled with stuff like "oh we can't show this on the air", and they censor way too much stuff. it gets annoying.
especially because we've all watched anime which shows way more explicit stuff w/o needing censors. part of hayate's downfall is that its aimed for kids.

another downfall is that hayate is just a darn loser and the show doesn't seem to have a strong story or plot. its just about a loser butler who has no luck with money, but random girls like him. for some reason he's super strong, yet the show is not a real action-anime so it doesn't take the fighting seriously.
if the show was primarily an action anime with a strong plot and serious fighting scenes, while just using comedy as a side point, it might've been better.
perhaps the funniest scene in hayate was when the girl saves him as "Mask the Money" super hero; it was just so stupid of a disguise that it was funny. But most of the comedy scenes are just "meh" or kindof annoying for me; the show tries too hard to be funny by putting in silly stuff that just turn out to be lame.
when i think about it, i think just Hayate himself just sucks as a character. his personality doesn't really bring anything to the table, and is pretty generic.

considering Katanagatari had moments that made me laugh, it doesn't surprise me that Bakemonogatari is very funny as you mentioned.
in Katanagatari i really liked that scene in the first episode where Togame would say something like, "surely you've heard of xyz", and Shichika would reply "no..", then togame would keep going with her monolog "exactly... he blablabla... wait what? you haven't heard of him?".
and this happened like like 2~3 times for added lulz.

I also kinda hate the heavy censoring in Hayate, especially now that I'm rewatching but I never found it too annoying especially as it's a running joke(and I still love how they didn't censor the sport pants). And it actually does have a story, many stories in fact... They just start silently and develope slowly, don't remember if any of them got even finished yet and it's two seasons in... There is also a very big twist in the manga actually, as even the true secret to Hayate's "god like body"(I quote the manga) is revealed. Gotta continue reading that BTW... But I guess as it is pretty much a parody of every anime out there with many genres mixed and twisted, it isn't for everyone. But personally think it as one of my favourite series, if not THE favourite.

Hmm, I'm sure you'll enjoy bakemonogatari... Especially when the protagonist picks a "fight" with the most fearsome opponent... You'll get this when you see it!

BTW cotton, if you like shows that don't censor stuff, watch Hen Zemi... There are couple of OVA's and the series is starting. It's a "borderline hentai", and I say borderline because it makes fun of many different fetishes and shows some but never truly crosses the line. It's basicly a college course studying the many fetishes with pretty much all students, execpt one of course, being quite perverts themselves and the teacher being a total perv. Hmm, I'm not actually doing a good job explaining it as I make it sound worse than it is, so I really recommend you to find those OVA's and see for yourself.

Link to ANN:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ency...e.php?id=11370

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Good thing i peaked at the spoiler a bit, Clannad's ending isn't bad.

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Originally Posted by Strike105X

Good thing i peaked at the spoiler a bit, Clannad's ending isn't bad.

Well, not bad but sad... I felt really depressed about it. Oh, and I mean the movie. Never watched the second season of the series completely so not sure if it has the same ending. Is it?

Heck, the ending in Chrono Crusade wasn't bad either but damn I was bummed by it...

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That explains it, if you haven't watched After Story (Season 2) you haven't seen Clannad.

I agree with you regarding Chrono Crusade (very good ending for the series but left a sad taste in my mouth ) but its not the case with S2 of Clannad, not saying more cause i don't wanna spoil it.

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Originally Posted by Strike105X

Don't get me wrong i don't complain about School Rumble nor compare them i can't do it for a show i haven't seen, also i will be honest ANN's rating is bs, don't count on it when selecting animes otherwise you will miss out. Best example would be Hakuouki, that show excels in everything yet it has a low rating.

well if you haven't watched school rumble yet, and you liked Hayate, then give SR a try

its true ANN's ratings aren't always what i would rate the anime, but i'm finding that they're usually close to my opinion of the anime; you just gotta know how to read the information.
basically if an anime is rated 8+/10 on ANN and is of the genre you like, it will most-likely be a good watch.
if its 7/10 it will be average, and might have some dull parts.
and if its less than that its usually not worth watching unless you know more information that makes you think otherwise (nowadays i can't be arsed to watch so-so anime, i used to watch them but not anymore).

in the last few anime i've watched, the ratings which i would give the anime on a scale of 1~10 matched up pretty well with ANN's rating (give or take 1 point).

for example:
katanagari: my score: 8/10, ANN: 8.656
dragon ball kai: my score: 7/10, ANN: 7.694
kimi ni todoke: my score: 8/10, ANN: 8.533
kaicho wa maid-sama: my score: 7/10, ANN: 6.579

very rarely i'm finding will my rating be off by more than 1 point from ANN's given rating. I'd give hayate for example a 6/10, while its a 8.0 on ANN. If i thought Hayate's jokes were funny though i'd probably give it a 8/10.

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