Amd Dual Core.

Sephi · April 5th, 2006, 13:24

Ok! The time is finally here. I got about 1000Euro to spend on a new PC (including Monitor.. wich my preference goes to TFT)

From the information i gatherd, AMD is better than Pentium. AMD is cheaper, and frankly i really coudnt find a disadvantage AMD has towards Pentium. So if anyone can correct me on that.

So i was thinking of a AMD dual core. Now the question with dual core. Its still relative new. So games/software still dont make full use of the Dual core from what i understand. And i readed that a Single core actually outperforms a Dual core when it comes to games and not to much multitasking stuff on the computer. But will that change in the near future?

Yes im still hopelessly addicted to WoW. And thats the main reason for buying a new computer. So thats another reason for me to choose AMD, since there better for games from what i understand. Now the question is. How would a Athlon 64 X2 4200 perform when its mainly used for a game? Would i be better off with a Single core or would it actually be better?

And the Dual core, How does it actually work? Heard it basicly the main processor performs a task and the second processor starts with the second task, thus making it faster for multitasking. Just wondering how it will hold with games. And if you got a Athlon 64 X2 4200, is there a way to say how fast each core is? Heard it cant be defined or is really complex.

But the bottomline is. Would now (within a month) be a good time to buy a Dual core PC? Seeing alot of game/software isnt optimized to take advantage of Dual Core. And for me, mainly buying a new pc for gaming would you recommend me something else than a AMD dual core?

Oh and also TFT screens, i was inted to buy a TFT 17-19 Inch with atleast a respondtime of 8MS, Would that be sufficient enough for games? Would i see alot of ghosting if i play games like UT/WoW? Yea my desk isnt to big.. i Dont think i can fit in a CRT monitor. And any other importat things i should look at when buying a TFT?

And note im by far a computer expert, its just my conclusions from what i found on internet. Wich i wouldnt be to suprise if its totally wrong :P
Just hoping you people can inform me a bit more about dual core.

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dklearhos · April 5th, 2006, 13:33

actually the truth about dual core cpu is that they are better at multitasking for the reason that there are 2cpu's.about games there is no big difference at this time cause games are not designed for dual core cpu's.if you want check these charts out: http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html

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industrian · April 5th, 2006, 13:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth[TR]

And the Dual core, How does it actually work? Heard it basicly the main processor performs a task and the second processor starts with the second task, thus making it faster for multitasking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-core

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth[TR]

But the bottomline is. Would now (within a month) be a good time to buy a Dual core PC? Seeing alot of game/software isnt optimized to take advantage of Dual Core. And for me, mainly buying a new pc for gaming would you recommend me something else than a AMD dual core?

I'll be getting a X2 processor very shortly. Games are starting to take interest in dual processors now. Both Quake 4 and Call of Duty 2 have patches that take advantage of it, and they won't be the last.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth[TR]

Oh and also TFT screens, i was inted to buy a TFT 17-19 Inch with atleast a respondtime of 8MS, Would that be sufficient enough for games? Would i see alot of ghosting if i play games like UT/WoW? Yea my desk isnt to big.. i Dont think i can fit in a CRT monitor. And any other importat things i should look at when buying a TFT?

I've been using a Viewsonic VP171B since last summer. 8ms response time and I've not noticed any ghosting yet. Even when I run ePSXe without the frame rate limiter. (8ms technically allows 125fps before ghosting is visible.)

If you're paranoid about ghosting though, Viewsonic have THIS monitor that has a 2ms response time.

I'd recommend a LCD monitor over a CRT one any day of the week.

The only problem I'd say about LCD monitors is the Optimum Resolution. My LCD monitor has a 1280*1024 optium resolution, so anything i use below that (say, 800*600) will be interpolated and stretched to fit the monitor. Now that's not really bad, but imagine a LCD monitor has a 1600*1200 optimum resolution and the application you use runs at 640*480.

That and the "dead pixel lottery." But most manufacturers will replace monitors with dead pixels. That and the fact that I've been using a different LCD monitor every day for three years (university and work PCs) and I've never noticed any dead or stuck pixels.

Aided Onslaught · April 5th, 2006, 14:46

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824014090 I got this monitor, and it works fine. I notice a little ghoasting in quake 4 whenI was swinging my mount around back and forth, but I don't know to many people who play like that.

james.miller · April 5th, 2006, 16:51

If your thinking of buying now i urge you to wait. Intel's conroe cpu's are out very soon, and from what weve seen they are blowing the AMd's out of the water.

Just wait a month or 2. it WILL be worth it.

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industrian · April 6th, 2006, 08:24

I already own a 939 motherboard from a January impulse bid on eBay.

KillerShots · April 6th, 2006, 17:47

Be careful with the dual cores... they have driver problems at the moment. WinXP 32-bit has patches out to fix this, but you'll have to fiddle around with WinXP x64. For some games, I run normally. For others, I have to boot (or, reboot) with the /pmtimer option. For others, I have to force the CPU affinity of the application to 0 (force it to use CPU 0, and ignore CPU 1). It's a real juggle-fest to figure out what to do with which game.

In terms of the future, I'm sure that games will start to use multi-core features, as the average consumer now has that capability (I've had it for 5 years).

Single-core CPUs outperforming dual-core CPUs? That's a myth. Single-core CPUs will, however, outperform hyperthreaded CPUs (the P-4 w/ HT series). You can test this if you want by comparing the results of a dual core system and a single core system (from your dual-core machine) by forcing the affinity for your benchmark to 0. Your results should be identical.

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james.miller · April 6th, 2006, 17:49

depends. dual cores wont outperform a single core cpu unless the game supports dual core. If it doesnt, then you'll need a dual core running at the same speed or faster to match the single.

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Sephi · April 6th, 2006, 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by james.miller

If your thinking of buying now i urge you to wait. Intel's conroe cpu's are out very soon, and from what weve seen they are blowing the AMd's out of the water.

Just wait a month or 2. it WILL be worth it.

Can you give me the link to the article or site that you got it from?
Would like to read it for myself. And if thats out in around 2 Month. Than il proly have to wait awhile till it gets to a decent price i assume?

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Clements · April 6th, 2006, 19:35

NVIDIA released drivers to take advantage of dual-core, so almost every CPU-limited game will benefit. Aquamark scores in particular go though the roof solely due to these optimisations, e.g. a dual core at the same clock gets an extra ~20,000 points over a single. Similar performance increases can be expected in games such as UT2004, which are CPU limited with a modern card.

In multithreaded tests such as certain games and media-encoding apps, the performance gain from X2/dual-core Opterons over a single core is absolutely massive, and you can expect real-world performance to be much faster too (eg. Running a virus scanner and compressing with WinRAR at the same with zero performance hit, which would save you some time as a result). Dual-core Opterons also overclock really well.

Here is the Conroe article with a 2.66GHz Conroe beating a FX-60 @ 2.8GHz:

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2713

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**refraction** · April 7th, 2006, 11:00

Thats certainly going to put so horrible stains in the pants of the AMD bosses, i just hope they can whip something nice up when AMD get DDR2 support (as the conroe already benifits from it), but i have a nasty feeling the Conroe will be rediculously overpriced, in comparison to the amds anyway

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Sephi · April 10th, 2006, 07:27

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Also keep in mind that we are over six months away from the actual launch of Conroe

urgg 6 month.. I dont think i can wait 6 more month for a new pc. And especially if its potentially being really exensive. Perhaps waiting 1 more month and see how things will go. But will that make much difference or do you all suggest waiting for the conroe ?

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Clements · April 10th, 2006, 07:38

Depends. I just bought a X2 3800+ (to replace my AthlonXP) with the full knowledge that a low-end Conroe would totally destroy it.

Why such madness I hear you cry! The reason I did not wait is because for me to upgrade to Conroe, I would have to replace not only my CPU and Motherboard, but also my RAM (Conroe uses DDR2) and graphics card (Conroe Mobo's will no doubt be PCI-E only). With the X2 3800+, I only need change my CPU and Motherboard, so works out much cheaper.

In your case, you might as well wait for Conroe, as it makes no difference for you, as hardly any of your main components will work with either Athlon64/Conroe. You'll need to buy at least CPU/Mobo/RAM/Graphics card whichever way you go. Conroe will have a much better price/performance ratio than an AMD processor in the foreseeable future, so would be worth it.

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james.miller · April 10th, 2006, 08:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth[TR]

Can you give me the link to the article or site that you got it from?
Would like to read it for myself. And if thats out in around 2 Month. Than il proly have to wait awhile till it gets to a decent price i assume?

http://www.google.co.uk/search?num=5...hmarks&spell=1

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=95021

conroe superPI scores - 21seconds. To ilistrate the point, my 3ghz opteron does it in 28seconds and that is one of the fastest times around. However, supierPI isnt all the conroe is good at. the 2.4ghz model is scoring impressively right across the board.

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Sephi · April 10th, 2006, 14:40

ugh so best is to wait till conroe gets out. Guess its the smartes thing to do for now. Seeing how Conroe just destroys the Amd. But guess nothing is set yet untill AMD comes with there new one to. Its just that my current pc is so sucky. Eitherway waiting for it to come out would proly be best to do.

Is there anyway for just a Cheap upgrade from what i have now? Atleast something that would make my gaming experience atleast a bit more enjoyable for the next 6 month till its out?

Got a 1.7ghz P4 with 768Sdram (wont take anything else

)
and now behold!
Geforce 2 64MB ~~ 4agp (4 is max for my mobo!)
Eitherway more Ram isnt a option. Sdram isnt cheap to come by these days.
I was personly thinking of a Cheap grafic card upgrade. Eitherway it would definly beat a Geforce 2. Even if its just a 60 Euro card i think...
A new grafic card would definly boost the FPS from a puny 10fps to atleast a bit more enjoyable i think..

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April 5th, 2006, 13:24	#1
Sephi Thinking outside the box Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,570	Amd Dual Core. Ok! The time is finally here. I got about 1000Euro to spend on a new PC (including Monitor.. wich my preference goes to TFT) From the information i gatherd, AMD is better than Pentium. AMD is cheaper, and frankly i really coudnt find a disadvantage AMD has towards Pentium. So if anyone can correct me on that. So i was thinking of a AMD dual core. Now the question with dual core. Its still relative new. So games/software still dont make full use of the Dual core from what i understand. And i readed that a Single core actually outperforms a Dual core when it comes to games and not to much multitasking stuff on the computer. But will that change in the near future? Yes im still hopelessly addicted to WoW. And thats the main reason for buying a new computer. So thats another reason for me to choose AMD, since there better for games from what i understand. Now the question is. How would a Athlon 64 X2 4200 perform when its mainly used for a game? Would i be better off with a Single core or would it actually be better? And the Dual core, How does it actually work? Heard it basicly the main processor performs a task and the second processor starts with the second task, thus making it faster for multitasking. Just wondering how it will hold with games. And if you got a Athlon 64 X2 4200, is there a way to say how fast each core is? Heard it cant be defined or is really complex. But the bottomline is. Would now (within a month) be a good time to buy a Dual core PC? Seeing alot of game/software isnt optimized to take advantage of Dual Core. And for me, mainly buying a new pc for gaming would you recommend me something else than a AMD dual core? Oh and also TFT screens, i was inted to buy a TFT 17-19 Inch with atleast a respondtime of 8MS, Would that be sufficient enough for games? Would i see alot of ghosting if i play games like UT/WoW? Yea my desk isnt to big.. i Dont think i can fit in a CRT monitor. And any other importat things i should look at when buying a TFT? And note im by far a computer expert, its just my conclusions from what i found on internet. Wich i wouldnt be to suprise if its totally wrong :P Just hoping you people can inform me a bit more about dual core. __________________ Currently watching: Gundam 00 2nd Season, Clannad After Story, To Aru Majutsu no Index PC Specs: C2D E8400@ 3.6Ghz, 1.200Volt \|\| Asus P5Q Deluxe \|\| 2GB Corsair Dominators 5-5-5-15 1066Mhz \|\| Gainward ATI HD4850 512, Goldsample Seagate Barracuda 7200.11, 32Mb 500GB \|\| Lite-On LH-20A1S \|\| Crossair VX450Watt \|\| Vista Home Premium 32Bit Laptop Specs C2D T7200 2.0Ghz \|\| 2GB 667Mhz \|\| ATIX1600 \|\| Hitachi 5400RPM 160Gb \|\| Windows XP Home 32Bit \|\|

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April 5th, 2006, 13:33	#2
dklearhos Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Greece Posts: 7	actually the truth about dual core cpu is that they are better at multitasking for the reason that there are 2cpu's.about games there is no big difference at this time cause games are not designed for dual core cpu's.if you want check these charts out: http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html sorry for my bad english __________________ Albatron PX915P-pro Intel P4 3.2GHZ@3.8GHZ Presscott 2x512MB TRASCEND DDR400 ASUS ATI X600XT/TD 128MB GPU 500MHZ@590MHZ Creative SoundBlaster Audigy 7.1 SAMSUNG DVDRW TSST552H HDD1 SEAGATE barracuda 120GB SATA HDD2 HITACHI 80GB ATA PSU 400W ZALMAN CASE Chieftec silver+6color fans with fan control Cooler ZALMAN CU7700

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Aided Onslaught Ocean Soul Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Charleston, S.C. Posts: 1,420	http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824014090 I got this monitor, and it works fine. I notice a little ghoasting in quake 4 whenI was swinging my mount around back and forth, but I don't know to many people who play like that.

April 5th, 2006, 16:51	#5
james.miller Mr. Stupendous Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Here, There and Everywhere. Posts: 1,138	If your thinking of buying now i urge you to wait. Intel's conroe cpu's are out very soon, and from what weve seen they are blowing the AMd's out of the water. Just wait a month or 2. it WILL be worth it. __________________ Lives for the chase.

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industrian Some Scottish Guy Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Xindian, Taiwan, ROC Posts: 4,276	I already own a 939 motherboard from a January impulse bid on eBay.

April 6th, 2006, 17:47	#7
KillerShots War Games coder Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,927	Be careful with the dual cores... they have driver problems at the moment. WinXP 32-bit has patches out to fix this, but you'll have to fiddle around with WinXP x64. For some games, I run normally. For others, I have to boot (or, reboot) with the /pmtimer option. For others, I have to force the CPU affinity of the application to 0 (force it to use CPU 0, and ignore CPU 1). It's a real juggle-fest to figure out what to do with which game. In terms of the future, I'm sure that games will start to use multi-core features, as the average consumer now has that capability (I've had it for 5 years). Single-core CPUs outperforming dual-core CPUs? That's a myth. Single-core CPUs will, however, outperform hyperthreaded CPUs (the P-4 w/ HT series). You can test this if you want by comparing the results of a dual core system and a single core system (from your dual-core machine) by forcing the affinity for your benchmark to 0. Your results should be identical. __________________ Primary CPU: Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Mobo: Biostar N4SLI-A9 RAM: 2G Crucial (DDR400) Video: eVGA GeForce 7900 GTX (512M) Audio: HDA X-Mystique HD(s): Maxtor 300G SATA2, Samsung 400G SATA2 OS(s): WinXP x64 Pro, Vista x32 Ultimate, Gentoo x64 Monitor(s): Primary - 19" Flat Panel (1280x1024) Secondary - 19" Flat Panel (1280x1024) Tertiary - Zenith 42" Plasma TV (1024x768 res) Many other machines... sig too short Last edited by KillerShots; April 6th, 2006 at 17:52..

April 6th, 2006, 17:49	#8
james.miller Mr. Stupendous Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Here, There and Everywhere. Posts: 1,138	depends. dual cores wont outperform a single core cpu unless the game supports dual core. If it doesnt, then you'll need a dual core running at the same speed or faster to match the single. __________________ Lives for the chase.

April 6th, 2006, 19:35	#10
Clements Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 1,710	NVIDIA released drivers to take advantage of dual-core, so almost every CPU-limited game will benefit. Aquamark scores in particular go though the roof solely due to these optimisations, e.g. a dual core at the same clock gets an extra ~20,000 points over a single. Similar performance increases can be expected in games such as UT2004, which are CPU limited with a modern card. In multithreaded tests such as certain games and media-encoding apps, the performance gain from X2/dual-core Opterons over a single core is absolutely massive, and you can expect real-world performance to be much faster too (eg. Running a virus scanner and compressing with WinRAR at the same with zero performance hit, which would save you some time as a result). Dual-core Opterons also overclock really well. Here is the Conroe article with a 2.66GHz Conroe beating a FX-60 @ 2.8GHz: http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2713 __________________ PJ64 Homepage \| ZSNES Documentation Project \| bsnes Supporter

April 10th, 2006, 07:38	#13
Clements Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 1,710	Depends. I just bought a X2 3800+ (to replace my AthlonXP) with the full knowledge that a low-end Conroe would totally destroy it. Why such madness I hear you cry! The reason I did not wait is because for me to upgrade to Conroe, I would have to replace not only my CPU and Motherboard, but also my RAM (Conroe uses DDR2) and graphics card (Conroe Mobo's will no doubt be PCI-E only). With the X2 3800+, I only need change my CPU and Motherboard, so works out much cheaper. In your case, you might as well wait for Conroe, as it makes no difference for you, as hardly any of your main components will work with either Athlon64/Conroe. You'll need to buy at least CPU/Mobo/RAM/Graphics card whichever way you go. Conroe will have a much better price/performance ratio than an AMD processor in the foreseeable future, so would be worth it. __________________ PJ64 Homepage \| ZSNES Documentation Project \| bsnes Supporter

April 10th, 2006, 14:40	#15
Sephi Thinking outside the box Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,570	ugh so best is to wait till conroe gets out. Guess its the smartes thing to do for now. Seeing how Conroe just destroys the Amd. But guess nothing is set yet untill AMD comes with there new one to. Its just that my current pc is so sucky. Eitherway waiting for it to come out would proly be best to do. Is there anyway for just a Cheap upgrade from what i have now? Atleast something that would make my gaming experience atleast a bit more enjoyable for the next 6 month till its out? Got a 1.7ghz P4 with 768Sdram (wont take anything else ) and now behold! Geforce 2 64MB ~~ 4agp (4 is max for my mobo!) Eitherway more Ram isnt a option. Sdram isnt cheap to come by these days. I was personly thinking of a Cheap grafic card upgrade. Eitherway it would definly beat a Geforce 2. Even if its just a 60 Euro card i think... A new grafic card would definly boost the FPS from a puny 10fps to atleast a bit more enjoyable i think.. __________________ Currently watching: Gundam 00 2nd Season, Clannad After Story, To Aru Majutsu no Index PC Specs: C2D E8400@ 3.6Ghz, 1.200Volt \|\| Asus P5Q Deluxe \|\| 2GB Corsair Dominators 5-5-5-15 1066Mhz \|\| Gainward ATI HD4850 512, Goldsample Seagate Barracuda 7200.11, 32Mb 500GB \|\| Lite-On LH-20A1S \|\| Crossair VX450Watt \|\| Vista Home Premium 32Bit Laptop Specs C2D T7200 2.0Ghz \|\| 2GB 667Mhz \|\| ATIX1600 \|\| Hitachi 5400RPM 160Gb \|\| Windows XP Home 32Bit \|\|