DOA4 visuals

D.D. · December 31st, 2005, 14:58

from a purely graphical perspective, the graphics lack the next gen leap that i expected. this seems no better than DOA:Ultimate but in a higher resolution (even then, many reviews have stated that even in HD, theres not much difference)...not to mention theres still glitches in hair and collision detection above that.

the good places in the graphics seem to be the environments, the constant 60fps, and the new motion blur. while the environments certainly did get an upgrade, they dont really impress me (i dont know why). the FPS is a given due to the fact that past games in the series always had a constant frame rate and the fact that the game was delayed multiple times. the motion blur is a matter of taste and i know there are a lot of ppl opposed to this...

will there ever be another gfx jump in the manner of tekken 3 to tekken tag tournament

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Metalmurphy · December 31st, 2005, 15:06

Well i must say the game looks good, very good, and i normaly dont like saying good stuff about xbox 360

, but yeah theres isnt much new inovations apart from the blur effect and depth of field. Models look pretty much the same, the cloths are a bit better though.

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Katsuya · December 31st, 2005, 15:20

Well, if you remember Team ninja did not get the final development kits until very late into the dev-cycle. So one could say this game was designed for a 30% slower version of the 360. So it’s likely not taking full advantage of the real system. (Also the dev-kits they were using had missing features like no cloth dynamic simulation software. With the game having to be rushed out they did not have time to write in their own or make some major modifications to their engine.)

It looks (to me) that the first "true" next-gen fighter is going to be Virtua Fighter 5. (but so far it is Arcade only)

Metalmurphy · December 31st, 2005, 15:39

Tbh i dont find VF5 much appealing as well, anyway with all these delays on DoA4 they should improve it much more :s It got delayed what? 5 times now?

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Katsuya · December 31st, 2005, 15:50

As I recall most of the delays were to improve network performance. Has anyone played it online yet?

D.D. · January 1st, 2006, 05:14

VF5 is definitely promising. the shading and lighting in VF5 make the ones in DOA4 look flat. the self-shadowing in VF5 is also very nice.

i guess the true jump to next gen gfx just didnt happen in DOA4. im hoping SC4/VF5/Tekken6 are going to wow me when i get them on ps3

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Metalmurphy · January 1st, 2006, 16:11

The true jump to next gen didnt happen in any of the Xbox 360 games

First one is probably gonna be Gears of War but by the looks of it the gameplay doesnt seem that great. Anyway in my opinion the first jump to next gen already happened in PCs with X3 Reunion: http://forums.ngemu.com/pc-misc-game...x-reunion.html

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Samor · January 4th, 2006, 19:45

well, as long as I can't have a look/go at doa4 on the actual xbox360, I won't comment on it

Lobo · January 6th, 2006, 09:21

It's got nothing to do with not using more or less power or when they got the dev kits. The game has always retaind an anime inspired look for its characters. So they will probably never begin to get realistic looking skin and what not.

The world is more impressive than DoA U, but again, they're going for a certain look so its not too different. Just like DoA2 vs DoA3 isn't really that much of a leap.

Now if this was Soul Calibur, or Virtua Fighter you were complaining about then you'd have every right to. But you have to understand the dynamcis behind Team Ninja's visual style for the DoA series. The clothes in DoA4 is a mountain of a leap from DoA2 U and DoA 3 (which looked better htan DoA2 U). The bump mapping, and texture of the clothes.

Tao Feng: Fist of the Lotus looked more impressive than DoA3 on the xbox -- thankfully thats not what counts in a fighter (the games good for newbs and people who don't enjoy regular fighting games but it is laughable to those of us who play fighters for the chalenge and technicalities of combat).

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WinterHell · January 8th, 2006, 14:23

Some people may not see big difference,because visuals in Doa U are awesome .It is not that Team Ninja aren't doing great job again,its just that it wont make much difference if they are 30 000 or 300 000 polys per character,in Ultimate it is already hard to see edges .This time they focused the graphics on the effects ,lightnings ,reflections,the hair and clothes consumes much resources too.
The gameplay-they maded it even more great ,it is good it is related to the old series .There is a saying "if it's not broken ,dont repair it".
The leap to 512 bit consoles will be even less significant.

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CD · January 12th, 2006, 16:42

DOA4 is excellent looking, and DOA3 in 480p on my Xbox looks like ****e compared to DOA4 in 720p on my 360.

Next-gen games are beautiful, you can't say PGR3 doesn't **** every other game in it's ass visually, and the Fight Night 3 demo is like watching a real ****ing boxing match.

Don't look at screenshots, play this ****, in motion DOA4 is fast and beautiful, with absurdly interactive environments.

The leap to 512 bit consoles will be even less significant.
Well I guess I missed the leap to 128, 256, etc..

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Metalmurphy · January 12th, 2006, 18:12

Have you actually seen a Fight Night 3 fight instead of a demo or replay? Game play couldn't suck more lol. Graphicly is stunning true but... bleh....

Anyway i did saw DoA4 live and my opinion remains the same.

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D.D. · January 12th, 2006, 21:13

FN3 looks good but the animations/physics are very very last gen. they come from FN2 i believe. its a demo so it shud improve.

i live on campus and i have a friend who owns 360 and doa4. my original opinion was formed from my experience watching him play. to me, DOA4 is not a leap from doa:u, it is a babystep.

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CD · January 12th, 2006, 22:02

Didn't you grasp that I own a 360 and DOA4 and the FN3 demo from when I said it in my previous post? The gameplay "sucks" to you because it's not overly exaggerated like other boxing games. Quick jabs don't knock someone across the ring but they continuously damage a person, like the real world.

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Metalmurphy · January 13th, 2006, 12:16

No thats not what i meant. The gameplay and movements of the chars simple SUCKS, its true. They're too mechanic. They look like robots fighting.

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CD · January 14th, 2006, 08:04

I'd say it's more a fault of the complexity of the control system than that of the game's engine, if you know the controls you can bob and weave and knock the **** out of someone in a fluid motion, but they are ****ing hard, so you kinda do get locked into an unrealistic wtf am I doing type of situation

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Syed Fawad · January 14th, 2006, 19:59

I downloaded and HD clip. I am Not really amazed. In fact, I yawned at it. It this really next gen?

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D.D. · January 15th, 2006, 02:21

well as long as ur still talking about DOA4, i agree its not next gen.

unfortunately some hotheaded xbox lover(s) felt the need to throw foul language and other unrelated games into this topic.

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ChankastRules · January 15th, 2006, 02:40

Quote:

I downloaded and HD clip.

It's hard to see the DOA4 beauty in a video as a lot of the improvements are small details that you notice as you control the character and do different stuff.

Anyway let's not forget that XBOX 360 high HD resolution >> Xbox normal TV resolution, considering that I think DOA 4 is a fairly big leap forward.

Kazuya · January 15th, 2006, 07:23

To me that is like playing a game in 640x480 and then play it at 1280x720. The only difference is the resolution. What i want is innovation in the gameplay.

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D.D. band Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HERE Posts: 4,912	DOA4 visuals from a purely graphical perspective, the graphics lack the next gen leap that i expected. this seems no better than DOA:Ultimate but in a higher resolution (even then, many reviews have stated that even in HD, theres not much difference)...not to mention theres still glitches in hair and collision detection above that. the good places in the graphics seem to be the environments, the constant 60fps, and the new motion blur. while the environments certainly did get an upgrade, they dont really impress me (i dont know why). the FPS is a given due to the fact that past games in the series always had a constant frame rate and the fact that the game was delayed multiple times. the motion blur is a matter of taste and i know there are a lot of ppl opposed to this... will there ever be another gfx jump in the manner of tekken 3 to tekken tag tournament __________________ 1. Small, Cheap, Powerful - you can have only two 2. Everytime you engineer something foolproof, the world comes up with a better idiot. 3. 「学問とは虚栄である。」 The PS3 Cell Processor Explained Page, IBM Research's Introduction to Cell Multiprocessor and Cell Processor Programming Guide

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December 31st, 2005, 15:06	#2
Metalmurphy Translator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Portugal, Oporto Posts: 5,776	Well i must say the game looks good, very good, and i normaly dont like saying good stuff about xbox 360 , but yeah theres isnt much new inovations apart from the blur effect and depth of field. Models look pretty much the same, the cloths are a bit better though. __________________ -------------------------------- Computer Specs ---------------------------------- Intel Pentium IV Prescott 3.0 HT → 4x 512MB DDR-DIMM → ASUS GF 6800 GT Sound Blaster X-Fi → 2x Maxtor 80 GB (RAID 0) Hitachi 19'' Monitor → Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Theater --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

December 31st, 2005, 15:20	#3
Katsuya - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: - Posts: 1,934	Well, if you remember Team ninja did not get the final development kits until very late into the dev-cycle. So one could say this game was designed for a 30% slower version of the 360. So it’s likely not taking full advantage of the real system. (Also the dev-kits they were using had missing features like no cloth dynamic simulation software. With the game having to be rushed out they did not have time to write in their own or make some major modifications to their engine.) It looks (to me) that the first "true" next-gen fighter is going to be Virtua Fighter 5. (but so far it is Arcade only)

December 31st, 2005, 15:39	#4
Metalmurphy Translator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Portugal, Oporto Posts: 5,776	Tbh i dont find VF5 much appealing as well, anyway with all these delays on DoA4 they should improve it much more :s It got delayed what? 5 times now? __________________ -------------------------------- Computer Specs ---------------------------------- Intel Pentium IV Prescott 3.0 HT → 4x 512MB DDR-DIMM → ASUS GF 6800 GT Sound Blaster X-Fi → 2x Maxtor 80 GB (RAID 0) Hitachi 19'' Monitor → Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Theater --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

December 31st, 2005, 15:50	#5
Katsuya - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: - Posts: 1,934	As I recall most of the delays were to improve network performance. Has anyone played it online yet?

January 1st, 2006, 05:14	#6
D.D. band Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HERE Posts: 4,912	VF5 is definitely promising. the shading and lighting in VF5 make the ones in DOA4 look flat. the self-shadowing in VF5 is also very nice. i guess the true jump to next gen gfx just didnt happen in DOA4. im hoping SC4/VF5/Tekken6 are going to wow me when i get them on ps3 __________________ 1. Small, Cheap, Powerful - you can have only two 2. Everytime you engineer something foolproof, the world comes up with a better idiot. 3. 「学問とは虚栄である。」 The PS3 Cell Processor Explained Page, IBM Research's Introduction to Cell Multiprocessor and Cell Processor Programming Guide

January 1st, 2006, 16:11	#7
Metalmurphy Translator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Portugal, Oporto Posts: 5,776	The true jump to next gen didnt happen in any of the Xbox 360 games First one is probably gonna be Gears of War but by the looks of it the gameplay doesnt seem that great. Anyway in my opinion the first jump to next gen already happened in PCs with X3 Reunion: http://forums.ngemu.com/pc-misc-game...x-reunion.html __________________ -------------------------------- Computer Specs ---------------------------------- Intel Pentium IV Prescott 3.0 HT → 4x 512MB DDR-DIMM → ASUS GF 6800 GT Sound Blaster X-Fi → 2x Maxtor 80 GB (RAID 0) Hitachi 19'' Monitor → Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Theater --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

January 4th, 2006, 19:45	#8
Samor crill stazy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NL Posts: 7,666	well, as long as I can't have a look/go at doa4 on the actual xbox360, I won't comment on it

January 6th, 2006, 09:21	#9
Lobo Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 408	It's got nothing to do with not using more or less power or when they got the dev kits. The game has always retaind an anime inspired look for its characters. So they will probably never begin to get realistic looking skin and what not. The world is more impressive than DoA U, but again, they're going for a certain look so its not too different. Just like DoA2 vs DoA3 isn't really that much of a leap. Now if this was Soul Calibur, or Virtua Fighter you were complaining about then you'd have every right to. But you have to understand the dynamcis behind Team Ninja's visual style for the DoA series. The clothes in DoA4 is a mountain of a leap from DoA2 U and DoA 3 (which looked better htan DoA2 U). The bump mapping, and texture of the clothes. Tao Feng: Fist of the Lotus looked more impressive than DoA3 on the xbox -- thankfully thats not what counts in a fighter (the games good for newbs and people who don't enjoy regular fighting games but it is laughable to those of us who play fighters for the chalenge and technicalities of combat). __________________ ~You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.~ Bullettooth Tony (Snatch)

January 8th, 2006, 14:23	#10
WinterHell programmer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Varna,Bulgaria Posts: 205	Some people may not see big difference,because visuals in Doa U are awesome .It is not that Team Ninja aren't doing great job again,its just that it wont make much difference if they are 30 000 or 300 000 polys per character,in Ultimate it is already hard to see edges .This time they focused the graphics on the effects ,lightnings ,reflections,the hair and clothes consumes much resources too. The gameplay-they maded it even more great ,it is good it is related to the old series .There is a saying "if it's not broken ,dont repair it". The leap to 512 bit consoles will be even less significant. __________________ ...until the day the sky rained fire! C2D 2x2.8Ghz,2GB DDR 800 KingSton,Geforce 9600GT PD 2x2.8Ghz,2GB DDR 666 Kingston,Geforce 6600GT,HD Audio,19" ViewSonic VX924 Sonic Team Rulzz

January 12th, 2006, 16:42	#11
CD Gunslinger Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Mid-World Posts: 965	DOA4 is excellent looking, and DOA3 in 480p on my Xbox looks like **e compared to DOA4 in 720p on my 360. Next-gen games are beautiful, you can't say PGR3 doesn't every other game in it's ass visually, and the Fight Night 3 demo is like watching a real ing boxing match. Don't look at screenshots, play this *, in motion DOA4 is fast and beautiful, with absurdly interactive environments. The leap to 512 bit consoles will be even less significant.* Well I guess I missed the leap to 128, 256, etc.. __________________ The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed...

January 12th, 2006, 18:12	#12
Metalmurphy Translator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Portugal, Oporto Posts: 5,776	Have you actually seen a Fight Night 3 fight instead of a demo or replay? Game play couldn't suck more lol. Graphicly is stunning true but... bleh.... Anyway i did saw DoA4 live and my opinion remains the same. __________________ -------------------------------- Computer Specs ---------------------------------- Intel Pentium IV Prescott 3.0 HT → 4x 512MB DDR-DIMM → ASUS GF 6800 GT Sound Blaster X-Fi → 2x Maxtor 80 GB (RAID 0) Hitachi 19'' Monitor → Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Theater --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

January 12th, 2006, 21:13	#13
D.D. band Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HERE Posts: 4,912	FN3 looks good but the animations/physics are very very last gen. they come from FN2 i believe. its a demo so it shud improve. i live on campus and i have a friend who owns 360 and doa4. my original opinion was formed from my experience watching him play. to me, DOA4 is not a leap from doa:u, it is a babystep. __________________ 1. Small, Cheap, Powerful - you can have only two 2. Everytime you engineer something foolproof, the world comes up with a better idiot. 3. 「学問とは虚栄である。」 The PS3 Cell Processor Explained Page, IBM Research's Introduction to Cell Multiprocessor and Cell Processor Programming Guide

January 12th, 2006, 22:02	#14
CD Gunslinger Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Mid-World Posts: 965	Didn't you grasp that I own a 360 and DOA4 and the FN3 demo from when I said it in my previous post? The gameplay "sucks" to you because it's not overly exaggerated like other boxing games. Quick jabs don't knock someone across the ring but they continuously damage a person, like the real world. __________________ The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed...

January 13th, 2006, 12:16	#15
Metalmurphy Translator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Portugal, Oporto Posts: 5,776	No thats not what i meant. The gameplay and movements of the chars simple SUCKS, its true. They're too mechanic. They look like robots fighting. __________________ -------------------------------- Computer Specs ---------------------------------- Intel Pentium IV Prescott 3.0 HT → 4x 512MB DDR-DIMM → ASUS GF 6800 GT Sound Blaster X-Fi → 2x Maxtor 80 GB (RAID 0) Hitachi 19'' Monitor → Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Theater --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

January 14th, 2006, 08:04	#16
CD Gunslinger Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Mid-World Posts: 965	I'd say it's more a fault of the complexity of the control system than that of the game's engine, if you know the controls you can bob and weave and knock the ** out of someone in a fluid motion, but they are *ing hard, so you kinda do get locked into an unrealistic wtf am I doing type of situation __________________ The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed...*

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Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,262	I downloaded and HD clip. I am Not really amazed. In fact, I yawned at it. It this really next gen? __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

January 15th, 2006, 02:21	#18
D.D. band Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HERE Posts: 4,912	well as long as ur still talking about DOA4, i agree its not next gen. unfortunately some hotheaded xbox lover(s) felt the need to throw foul language and other unrelated games into this topic. ** * *** ! __________________ 1. Small, Cheap, Powerful - you can have only two 2. Everytime you engineer something foolproof, the world comes up with a better idiot. 3. 「学問とは虚栄である。」 The PS3 Cell Processor Explained Page, IBM Research's Introduction to Cell Multiprocessor and Cell Processor Programming Guide

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Kazuya The seeker of perfection Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Suing somebody Posts: 3,628	To me that is like playing a game in 640x480 and then play it at 1280x720. The only difference is the resolution. What i want is innovation in the gameplay. __________________ PSN ID: solidandrey Visit my blog in Spanish: http://andreyirrasalazar.blogspot.com