which OS?

TGBFox · October 7th, 2001, 13:58

Since nobody I know seems to be certain, I'll just ask here...
which os from Microsoft is the best? Is it ME, 2k, XP...
there are so many and the guy I asked in the store told me to bugger off while aiming a gun at me...

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cluthu · October 7th, 2001, 14:14

>which os from Microsoft is the best? Is it ME, 2k, XP...
Though you're likely to elicit quite an argument with this one, personally I'd rank them as such: 2k, XP, ME. Concerned as to why? Well bugger off, since I'm too busy! Just kidding. Sorry, won't happen again.

I like 2k simply because it's NT without much in the way of fluff thrown in (unlike XP). Not to mention it doesn't have XP's horrid registration procedures and such. That's not to say that it's bad, necessarily, just that I agree with something that's so invasive of one's personal life. If MS wants people to register with Passport and keep an inventory of their hardware config, fine, just *ask* and I'm sure quite a few people would agree to submit such information. Additionally, 2k doesn't contain MS' little "extras": firewall (don't need it, as I have a dedicated machine to do this), CD Burning (I swear by a combo of Nero and CDRWin), [reduced quality] MP3 encoding (my Linux box does it faster). That's also not to mention the fact that XP has yet to be hardened, as it were. It's generally the consensus that with NT you wait until the first service pack is released before you upgrade. Granted, XP is mostly 2k's kernel, but that doesn't mean it won't have its own problems.

As for ME...ick. It's possible to configure it such that it runs moderately well but, face it, it's still the 9x kernel infrastructure. Likewise, I still run 98SE if it's necessary (old games and apps) because it's considerably more reliable than Millennium Edition (for me, excuse the pun, at least). That's also not to mention that you can add the features of ME onto an earlier version if you wished, as most of MS' improvements are mirrored in third party software.

So in conclusion, if you're looking for a general, home-oriented OS go with either 9x or XP (since the home version is geared more toward compatibility with older apps). I, personally, have a tri-boot of Win98SE, Win2k and Redhat 7. As I'd said, I use 98SE for the (few) old apps that won't run under anything else, Win2k for my day-to-day work (As it's ultra-solid. Uptime is somewhere in the month range now) and Redhat for my development tasks (it's also solid, I just happen to use Win2k more).

Wow, that was pretty long winded, no?

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SHIN GOUKI · October 10th, 2001, 03:32

id have to go with 2k,ME, XP

plus XP pro sucks beyond belief, but it sure is pretty

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**Bgnome** · October 10th, 2001, 03:47

Quote:

Originally posted by SHIN GOUKI
id have to go with 2k,ME, XP

plus XP pro sucks beyond belief, but it sure is pretty

i never heard anything that bad about XP pro, but definitely stay away from ME

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Gk1986 · October 10th, 2001, 04:04

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Originally posted by Bgnome

i never heard anything that bad about XP pro, but definitely stay away from ME

...

...my new computer came with ME, even though it said on the description that it's supposed to come with 98 with a ME upgrade coupon (which I had planned to burn

). Plus study showed that ME is (get this) 14% slower than 98. Thus I'd have to go the classic Win 95, which almost never crashese.

Prafull · October 10th, 2001, 04:32

Hmm,It looks there is a huge anti ME wave going on here.

Btw I have been using ME for over an year now (you need some minor tweaks to make it work excellent)and I think it deserves some respect.Earlier I had Win 98 Se and Win 95 was the first OS I used.

14% ?I think most of it comes in office applications(where it surely is slower than win 98se but I still feel in gaming department Windows ME is always few frames better(that was the basic reason I upgraded to ME).Another thing in ME 's favour is it is much more crash proof than any Win 9x series OS.

2K I have heard is most stable(Cant say more as I havent used it).

Ok so finally ME isnt that bad but its not a necessary upgrade if you have Win 98 Se.

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vivrantpig · October 10th, 2001, 04:50

wut about windows xo home version that any good?? i got home version on cd and didnt install yet...

**kairi00** · October 10th, 2001, 04:54

Quote:

Originally posted by Gk1986
......my new computer came with ME, even though it said on the description that it's supposed to come with 98 with a ME upgrade coupon (which I had planned to burn ). Plus study showed that ME is (get this) 14% slower than 98. Thus I'd have to go the classic Win 95, which almost never crashese.

I hope you're talking about Win95 OSR2 (i.e. Win95B).... I've had two different 95s before on my old computer, and suffice to say I like W95B a million times better than W95A.

W98/W98SE would actually run pretty fast and stable without the stupid IE "desktop integration" crap going on....

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**Xeven** · October 10th, 2001, 05:16

well one thing is for sure... stay away from ME.. (no.. not me... silly ehe)... i went back to 98SE which is probably one of the best moves I ever made, of course I only realized that after using ME for a couple of weeks... sucks..

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**Ryos** · October 10th, 2001, 05:17

Run away from ME at any and all costs. There's a reason why retailers offered customers a choice of Windows 98 or ME, and it certainly wasn't for nostalgia.

sk8bloke22 · October 10th, 2001, 22:23

winxp is the bomb, im running the final version (2600 build), without....er.....product activation.....hehe. it is so much better than win98/ME its unbelieve. theres practiacally no framerate loss between xp and win98, and everything is compatable. and my god it loads under 40s. theres so much to it, id recommend it to anyone and everyone with a decent machine.

it hasnt creashed once ive been running it for almost a month. definitely the oS to get. also i think product activation is a shame as without it, it installs hardware so easily, i mean every piece of hardware i hav has reasonable native drivers installed automatically, then all u hav to do is update. also the system restore feature is a lifesaver, i mean when ive ****ed around with like say for example creative lab's Live!Ware 3.0 for win2000 and ruined ****, i was able to restore my system to before i messed around with it. of course now the xp version of live!ware 3.0 has been leaked, so im happy.

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Kraelis · October 11th, 2001, 02:17

I agree with cluthu. In terms of overall quality, and of course stability, 2k is better than the rest. Of course, we can't always play games normally as we do with the others.

Oh... XP is bad. Not that its quality sucks, but it's got a major security hole in it. Besides, attempts at cracking the activation have been pretty successful as of yet. Not that I'm promoting it, but it's exactly that kind of mentality that fosters illegal activities. Intrusion is definitely a no-no.

Going back to XP, I'm still trying to confirm this, but is it true that it has RAW Sockets capability?

That, my friends is VERY bad for a home-based OS.

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Arpanet · October 11th, 2001, 05:57

OK, how about this. I'm a home user, with my PC use oriented towards lesiure (games, surfing, downloading) with a little schoolwork on the side. Should I go with W2K or stick with Win98SE? What I want is a stable OS that can play most games and doesn't slow down too much.

Thanks in advance.

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**kairi00** · October 11th, 2001, 07:00

Quote:

Originally posted by Kraelis
Going back to XP, I'm still trying to confirm this, but is it true that it has RAW Sockets capability?

That, my friends is VERY bad for a home-based OS.

Yessire.... while only programs run under administrative privileges has full access to the RAW sockets capability, the default privilege assigned when you create a new user is (yep you guessed it) ADMINISTRATOR! woohooo!!

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**kairi00** · October 11th, 2001, 07:01

Quote:

Originally posted by Asfaloth
OK, how about this. I'm a home user, with my PC use oriented towards lesiure (games, surfing, downloading) with a little schoolwork on the side. Should I go with W2K or stick with Win98SE? What I want is a stable OS that can play most games and doesn't slow down too much.

Thanks in advance.

Well, how's Win98Se currently treating you? If it's been crashing at least 5 times a day, then an upgrade to W2k might be worth it. However, keep in mind that you usually get some penalty in terms of gaming performance..... so this is a tradeoff issue. The best thing, if you have the space, is to dual boot W2k/Win98.

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SHIN GOUKI · October 11th, 2001, 07:34

ok well keep on saying ME is bad, fine.
Its not bad at all, it came with my computer so I t runs better, than that crap XP, well XP runs fast, and I also had XP, and it didn't support a damn thing.

ok if you want the best gaming quality go for ME
for steady speeds for hours for other computer uses go forXP or 2k
and dont even look at 98se,

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Prafull · October 11th, 2001, 09:42

Quote:

Originally posted by SHIN GOUKI
ok if you want the best gaming quality go for ME
for steady speeds for hours for other computer uses go forXP or 2k
and dont even look at 98se,

I agree with this man.He speaks truth for me.I dont know why others are hating WINDOWS ME such a lot,may be they didnt tried tweaking it a little bit.

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**Ryos** · October 11th, 2001, 09:49

Kept this thread intact by lopping off the offending part. Shin Gouki, refer to the rules. Thanks.

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**Shiori** · October 11th, 2001, 10:50

have had my current install of win98se for almost a year now, and i can really count the times i've had BSODs. basically, keeping it nicely defragged and virus-protected should make it stable enough for our computing needs, particularly emus/pc gaming.

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sk8bloke22 · October 11th, 2001, 13:52

when XP is officially released on the 25th Oct it will be very compatible. only now r companies begining to release software and drivers for XP. give it a chance, the thing is damn stable for a home user platform. and the speed will be as fast/faster than win98 give it time!!

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October 7th, 2001, 14:14	#2
cluthu Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 513	>which os from Microsoft is the best? Is it ME, 2k, XP... Though you're likely to elicit quite an argument with this one, personally I'd rank them as such: 2k, XP, ME. Concerned as to why? Well bugger off, since I'm too busy! Just kidding. Sorry, won't happen again. I like 2k simply because it's NT without much in the way of fluff thrown in (unlike XP). Not to mention it doesn't have XP's horrid registration procedures and such. That's not to say that it's bad, necessarily, just that I agree with something that's so invasive of one's personal life. If MS wants people to register with Passport and keep an inventory of their hardware config, fine, just ask and I'm sure quite a few people would agree to submit such information. Additionally, 2k doesn't contain MS' little "extras": firewall (don't need it, as I have a dedicated machine to do this), CD Burning (I swear by a combo of Nero and CDRWin), [reduced quality] MP3 encoding (my Linux box does it faster). That's also not to mention the fact that XP has yet to be hardened, as it were. It's generally the consensus that with NT you wait until the first service pack is released before you upgrade. Granted, XP is mostly 2k's kernel, but that doesn't mean it won't have its own problems. As for ME...ick. It's possible to configure it such that it runs moderately well but, face it, it's still the 9x kernel infrastructure. Likewise, I still run 98SE if it's necessary (old games and apps) because it's considerably more reliable than Millennium Edition (for me, excuse the pun, at least). That's also not to mention that you can add the features of ME onto an earlier version if you wished, as most of MS' improvements are mirrored in third party software. So in conclusion, if you're looking for a general, home-oriented OS go with either 9x or XP (since the home version is geared more toward compatibility with older apps). I, personally, have a tri-boot of Win98SE, Win2k and Redhat 7. As I'd said, I use 98SE for the (few) old apps that won't run under anything else, Win2k for my day-to-day work (As it's ultra-solid. Uptime is somewhere in the month range now) and Redhat for my development tasks (it's also solid, I just happen to use Win2k more). Wow, that was pretty long winded, no? __________________ "...everything else is just theory." Last edited by cluthu; October 7th, 2001 at 14:15..

October 10th, 2001, 03:32	#3
SHIN GOUKI Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 31	id have to go with 2k,ME, XP plus XP pro sucks beyond belief, but it sure is pretty __________________ Shin Gouki (possessed by a raging demon)

October 10th, 2001, 04:32	#6
Prafull Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: India Posts: 5,429	Hmm,It looks there is a huge anti ME wave going on here. Btw I have been using ME for over an year now (you need some minor tweaks to make it work excellent)and I think it deserves some respect.Earlier I had Win 98 Se and Win 95 was the first OS I used. 14% ?I think most of it comes in office applications(where it surely is slower than win 98se but I still feel in gaming department Windows ME is always few frames better(that was the basic reason I upgraded to ME).Another thing in ME 's favour is it is much more crash proof than any Win 9x series OS. 2K I have heard is most stable(Cant say more as I havent used it). Ok so finally ME isnt that bad but its not a necessary upgrade if you have Win 98 Se. Last edited by Prafull; October 10th, 2001 at 04:38..

October 10th, 2001, 04:50	#7
vivrantpig (>^_^)> KIRBY Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,612	wut about windows xo home version that any good?? i got home version on cd and didnt install yet...

October 10th, 2001, 05:16	#9
Xeven A BIG BAD BATARD™ Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,568	well one thing is for sure... stay away from ME.. (no.. not me... silly ehe)... i went back to 98SE which is probably one of the best moves I ever made, of course I only realized that after using ME for a couple of weeks... sucks.. __________________

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Ryos Bearsona Join Date: May 2001 Location: Nowhere Posts: 11,307	Run away from ME at any and all costs. There's a reason why retailers offered customers a choice of Windows 98 or ME, and it certainly wasn't for nostalgia.

October 10th, 2001, 22:23	#11
sk8bloke22 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: london Posts: 158	winxp is the bomb, im running the final version (2600 build), without....er.....product activation.....hehe. it is so much better than win98/ME its unbelieve. theres practiacally no framerate loss between xp and win98, and everything is compatable. and my god it loads under 40s. theres so much to it, id recommend it to anyone and everyone with a decent machine. it hasnt creashed once ive been running it for almost a month. definitely the oS to get. also i think product activation is a shame as without it, it installs hardware so easily, i mean every piece of hardware i hav has reasonable native drivers installed automatically, then all u hav to do is update. also the system restore feature is a lifesaver, i mean when ive **ed around with like say for example creative lab's Live!Ware 3.0 for win2000 and ruined **, i was able to restore my system to before i messed around with it. of course now the xp version of live!ware 3.0 has been leaked, so im happy. __________________ Athlon 950, 256 ram, Geforce 2 GTS, Soundblaster live!, winxp pro final

October 11th, 2001, 02:17	#12
Kraelis Transcended Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Moonlight Spire Posts: 1,409	I agree with cluthu. In terms of overall quality, and of course stability, 2k is better than the rest. Of course, we can't always play games normally as we do with the others. Oh... XP is bad. Not that its quality sucks, but it's got a major security hole in it. Besides, attempts at cracking the activation have been pretty successful as of yet. Not that I'm promoting it, but it's exactly that kind of mentality that fosters illegal activities. Intrusion is definitely a no-no. Going back to XP, I'm still trying to confirm this, but is it true that it has RAW Sockets capability? That, my friends is VERY bad for a home-based OS. __________________ --KrÆlis Cross Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur =============== Athlon 64 x2 3800\| Asrock ALiveNF6G-VSTA \| Kingston DDR2 1 Gb RAM

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Arpanet Powerslave Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The eyes of the night Posts: 1,812	OK, how about this. I'm a home user, with my PC use oriented towards lesiure (games, surfing, downloading) with a little schoolwork on the side. Should I go with W2K or stick with Win98SE? What I want is a stable OS that can play most games and doesn't slow down too much. Thanks in advance. __________________ -----------------------------------THE\|ALCHEMIST----------------------------------- P4 2.4C @ 3 GHz \| 512 MB Corsair XMS PC3200 DDR400 Dual Channel 2-2-4-5 Asus P4P800 BIOS 1010 \| WD800JB SE Caviar \| RADEON 9700 Pro 128 MB DDR a.k.a. Asfaloth. Batards unite!

October 11th, 2001, 07:34	#16
SHIN GOUKI Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 31	ok well keep on saying ME is bad, fine. Its not bad at all, it came with my computer so I t runs better, than that crap XP, well XP runs fast, and I also had XP, and it didn't support a damn thing. ok if you want the best gaming quality go for ME for steady speeds for hours for other computer uses go forXP or 2k and dont even look at 98se, __________________ Shin Gouki (possessed by a raging demon) Last edited by Ryos; October 11th, 2001 at 09:47..

October 11th, 2001, 09:49	#18
Ryos Bearsona Join Date: May 2001 Location: Nowhere Posts: 11,307	Kept this thread intact by lopping off the offending part. Shin Gouki, refer to the rules. Thanks. Last edited by Ryos; October 11th, 2001 at 09:49..

October 11th, 2001, 10:50	#19
Shiori :3 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 10,128	have had my current install of win98se for almost a year now, and i can really count the times i've had BSODs. basically, keeping it nicely defragged and virus-protected should make it stable enough for our computing needs, particularly emus/pc gaming. __________________ My PC specs: AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.1 Ghz, ECS Elitegroup K7S5A, 256MB PC133 SDRAM, Geforce2 MX200 32MB, 20GB Seagate, Windows XP Pro. Ok, what else... Shiori figurine on top of case, assorted anime stickers on the side, lazy tabby cat on top of monitor.

October 11th, 2001, 13:52	#20
sk8bloke22 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: london Posts: 158	when XP is officially released on the 25th Oct it will be very compatible. only now r companies begining to release software and drivers for XP. give it a chance, the thing is damn stable for a home user platform. and the speed will be as fast/faster than win98 give it time!! __________________ Athlon 950, 256 ram, Geforce 2 GTS, Soundblaster live!, winxp pro final