Difference between communism and collectivism?

Unicron · June 18th, 2004, 04:06

whats the difference?

glad to see that Boltzmann is still here ^^;

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Proto · June 18th, 2004, 05:47

Well, once again we are NOT some sort of wandering encyclopedias but whatever

From wikipedia

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Collectivism as a belief can be one of two things. The first is the belief that capital and land should be owned by the group and not by the individual. The second is that the good of the group is more important than the good of the individual - or, alternatively, that the individual serves his own interests by serving the group's interests, as a bee ultimately serves its own self by serving its hive. Collectivism in this sense is closely associated with altruism.

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Communism in its original meaning is a social theory and political movement for the direct and communal control of society towards the common benefits of all members, the society being the communist society, see below. See also Religious communism.

As you can see collectivism works towards the benefit of the group, regardless of the economical or political way it should take for acheiving that mean. That is, a good dictator could be a collectivistic.

However, communism talks more about this work towards the benefit of the many directly worked by the society itself. It deals even more with politics and economics than collectivism. At least from what i gathered

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Boltzmann · June 18th, 2004, 12:57

Proto already described both concepts well enough, but I want to add that you can see communism as the political (or practical) application of collectivism (so collectivism is more of a general ideology).

As an aside, the social experiments with communism in the 20th century showed how flawed it is a political system/social order. As the sociobiologist E.O.Wilson said concerning Marxism: "Wonderful theory. Wrong species".

Anyway, collectivism rests on a flawed assumption: that our minds are blank slates, and can be shaped at will, so that the individual can be made to work solely for the benefit of the group. But the fact is that we do have an innate nature, and that the locus of selection is not the group, but the individual. Therefore, the social of order exists for the benefit of the individuals involved, not the other way around.

BTW, good to see you around again, Unicron

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June 18th, 2004, 04:06	#1
Unicron Git er done Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Raleigh, NC USA GO us! Posts: 2,829	Difference between communism and collectivism? whats the difference? glad to see that Boltzmann is still here ^^; __________________ It is the soldier, not the court, that has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the agitator, who has given us the freedom to protest. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, who gives that protestor the freedom he abuses to burn that flag. -Senator Zell Miller

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June 18th, 2004, 12:57	#3
Boltzmann Retired Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Jundiaí - São Paulo - Brazil Posts: 8,876	Proto already described both concepts well enough, but I want to add that you can see communism as the political (or practical) application of collectivism (so collectivism is more of a general ideology). As an aside, the social experiments with communism in the 20th century showed how flawed it is a political system/social order. As the sociobiologist E.O.Wilson said concerning Marxism: "Wonderful theory. Wrong species". Anyway, collectivism rests on a flawed assumption: that our minds are blank slates, and can be shaped at will, so that the individual can be made to work solely for the benefit of the group. But the fact is that we do have an innate nature, and that the locus of selection is not the group, but the individual. Therefore, the social of order exists for the benefit of the individuals involved, not the other way around. BTW, good to see you around again, Unicron __________________ "Let be be finale of seem. The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream." - Wallace Stevens Me on Twitter Last edited by Boltzmann; June 18th, 2004 at 16:49..