Palladium

Foxfyre · March 31st, 2004, 04:27

I don't know if anybody has posted about this before, but the implications of such computers are astronomical. The book 1984 comes to mind.

http://www.notcpa.org/faq.html

Please tell me that the people of America would not actually let this happen!
Just reading this gives me chills. After reading the article about the criminilization of P2P, I didn't think things could get any worse, but this would allow Microsoft, and all the major companies to have a "back door" into EVERYONE'S computers. If you had something they didn't want you to have, they could simply delete it.

After reading the site, please sign the petition, we can not let this happen!

http://www.petitiononline.com/endtcpa1/petition.html

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chillypacman · March 31st, 2004, 04:29

>Microsoft, and all the major companies to have a "back door" into EVERYONE'S computers. If you had something they didn't want you to have, they could simply delete it.

Its already happened mate take it easy. Spyware the many microsoft xp back doors (most famous was the one with the music files simply moving your mouse cursor over the windows media player icon hackers could get into your pc). Its ok its been around for a while but they won't delete anything from your harddrive.

BTW it sounds scary but I doubt it will happen. Microsoft has an iron clad grip on the competition if it goes too far... well it will fall on itself when other os's and the like decide they don't want this crap incorporated onto there software. Thus people will buy that software instead, and regardless the beauty of it is that someone out there will make a program that will delete/control this paladium

Edit:you'll get more hits on this thread if you gave it a better name i.e paladium:an end to pirate software.

EDIT:They are saying that everyone must use the same os namely made from Microsoft? God no they are also saying that any software not palladium compliant will not work on well won’t work at all and if you are doing a free software it must pass palladium crap?!

FREEWARE AS WE KNOW IT IS DEAD!

Last edited by chillypacman; March 31st, 2004 at 05:00..

bcrew1375 · March 31st, 2004, 05:13

This is utter trash. It is an incredible invasion of piracy! I mean um, privacy, uh yeah... If this crap goes through, I swear I will never upgrade my computer.

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total_hatred · March 31st, 2004, 06:02

Me too
death to Microsoft
It just sick excuse that they will covertly
mess up your computers
more messed up computer
more money

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wise_evian · March 31st, 2004, 10:05

Linux...Linux...Get linux..do linux..like me

its fun...easy..and non-ms

..oh..and the real linux is free

**I-Chan** · March 31st, 2004, 10:42

A little doubt... Intel is involved on this, so, could they make some kind of resctriction on their chips to work only with palladium software? I think it's highly possible, and would be a major problem... Think about your processor just rejecting Linux. On the other side, if AMD didn't put any kind of restriction, it would be the way to go, but it would be piss me totally... And if they were to adhere to this trend, we would be totally screwed. But is this even legal? I mean, how can this be compatible with my privacy rights???

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Player-X · March 31st, 2004, 12:30

Just use knoppix when you go online and you shoud be fine

Proto · March 31st, 2004, 14:02

Dont worry, I-Chan... AMD is also into this Palladium project -.-

I havent checked if Motorolla is into it thought. If not I think ill be sw to Macs very soon

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Mslug · March 31st, 2004, 17:30

as with all evil in the end when the evil looks it's strongest will come its downfall.

**Demigod** · March 31st, 2004, 18:48

Even if Intel and AMD include palladium into their CPUs it probably won't get used (like the unique serial numbers on the Pentium 3). Of course it all depends on public opinion and feedback. They'll probably have it as an option which you can turn off and on.

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Foxfyre · March 31st, 2004, 19:16

The way it explains Palladium, by the second generation, it will be built directly into the cpu chips making it near impossible to bypass. This software will constantly be connecting to an internet database to see if the applications you are running are not "blacklisted." If they are, it won't let you run them at all. If they get Palladium in enough people's homes, pretty soon they can tell the computer not to let you run anything that they haven't certified.

So you wouldn't be able to run emulators, definitely.

Also, take this into consideration. Say you like to make programs, (with visual basic, C++, whatever...) since visual basic will probably have certification, you can make your program, but then, guess what?? YOU CAN'T EVEN RUN THE PROGRAM THAT YOU JUST CREATED!!!! Unless you want to get it certified, by paying M$ $100,000.

Plus, Palladium has scary implications for censorship. Any file they don't want on your computer they could just remotely delete!!!.

Sounds real bad to me.

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chillypacman · April 1st, 2004, 04:05

>Linux...Linux...Get linux..do linux..like me its fun...easy..and non-ms ..oh..and the real linux is free

THe free version of linus is going to be screwed because its not going to be palladium compliant thus you will alsop need to find a company selling non palladium cpu's...

You can kiss goodbye to free software too...

**DarkAurora** · April 1st, 2004, 04:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demigod

Even if Intel and AMD include palladium into their CPUs it probably won't get used (like the unique serial numbers on the Pentium 3). Of course it all depends on public opinion and feedback. They'll probably have it as an option which you can turn off and on.

I very much doubt it. Microsoft just wants to make sure everyone pays $500 for their stupid MS Office. I could recreate most of Word and Excel using just Visual Basic. Apparently being worth 46 billion dollars isn't enough for Gates.

chillypacman · April 1st, 2004, 04:39

>I very much doubt it. Microsoft just wants to make sure everyone pays $500 for their stupid MS Office. I could recreate most of Word and Excel using just Visual Basic. Apparently being worth 46 billion dollars isn't enough for Gates.

The question is could you afford to palladium-certify it?

bcrew1375 · April 1st, 2004, 04:55

I thought this was interesting. It shows that the Palladium system is in clear violation of our Constitutional rights: http://fairuse.nylxs.com/

Of course, it seems like Congress is starting to ignore the Constitution because of large corporations.

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chillypacman · April 1st, 2004, 05:01

>Of course, it seems like Congress is starting to ignore the Constitution because of large corporations.

And ***** talk about terrorism but thats another story... the point is they always put $$$ over democracy.

March 31st, 2004, 04:27	#1
Foxfyre Emulation Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 827	Palladium I don't know if anybody has posted about this before, but the implications of such computers are astronomical. The book 1984 comes to mind. http://www.notcpa.org/faq.html Please tell me that the people of America would not actually let this happen! Just reading this gives me chills. After reading the article about the criminilization of P2P, I didn't think things could get any worse, but this would allow Microsoft, and all the major companies to have a "back door" into EVERYONE'S computers. If you had something they didn't want you to have, they could simply delete it. After reading the site, please sign the petition, we can not let this happen! http://www.petitiononline.com/endtcpa1/petition.html __________________ Main Rig: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale (4.0ghz at 445FSB)/ GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P P45 Mobo/ 4 GB G Skill PC2 8500 Ram / SAMSUNG 22X SATA DVD Burner / 500 Gig Seagate HD / 250 Gig Maxtor HD / 1TB Western Digital HD / ATI Radeon HD5750 / Realtek HD Audio Media Center PC: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Manchester/ 2 GB Corsair PC3200 Ram / Sony Optiarc DVD-RW / 200 Gig Samsung HD / ATI Radeon HD 4650

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March 31st, 2004, 04:29	#2
chillypacman Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Australia - Perth Posts: 1,057	>Microsoft, and all the major companies to have a "back door" into EVERYONE'S computers. If you had something they didn't want you to have, they could simply delete it. Its already happened mate take it easy. Spyware the many microsoft xp back doors (most famous was the one with the music files simply moving your mouse cursor over the windows media player icon hackers could get into your pc). Its ok its been around for a while but they won't delete anything from your harddrive. BTW it sounds scary but I doubt it will happen. Microsoft has an iron clad grip on the competition if it goes too far... well it will fall on itself when other os's and the like decide they don't want this crap incorporated onto there software. Thus people will buy that software instead, and regardless the beauty of it is that someone out there will make a program that will delete/control this paladium Edit:you'll get more hits on this thread if you gave it a better name i.e paladium:an end to pirate software. EDIT:They are saying that everyone must use the same os namely made from Microsoft? God no they are also saying that any software not palladium compliant will not work on well won’t work at all and if you are doing a free software it must pass palladium crap?! FREEWARE AS WE KNOW IT IS DEAD! Last edited by chillypacman; March 31st, 2004 at 05:00..

March 31st, 2004, 05:13	#3
bcrew1375 "Insert witty title here" Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: In a house Posts: 1,049	This is utter trash. It is an incredible invasion of piracy! I mean um, privacy, uh yeah... If this crap goes through, I swear I will never upgrade my computer. __________________ Can I go home now?

March 31st, 2004, 06:02	#4
total_hatred Rabid Wolf Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Digiworld Posts: 495	Me too death to Microsoft It just sick excuse that they will covertly mess up your computers more messed up computer more money __________________ I am no psychic I am a psycho!!! A first rate fighter never lifts a finger to win a fight If It is a sin to be mighty Call me the Devil Oh huh, I wonder where I got the line

March 31st, 2004, 10:05	#5
wise_evian Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 291	Linux...Linux...Get linux..do linux..like me its fun...easy..and non-ms ..oh..and the real linux is free

March 31st, 2004, 10:42	#6
I-Chan Ex Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Spain Posts: 3,093	A little doubt... Intel is involved on this, so, could they make some kind of resctriction on their chips to work only with palladium software? I think it's highly possible, and would be a major problem... Think about your processor just rejecting Linux. On the other side, if AMD didn't put any kind of restriction, it would be the way to go, but it would be piss me totally... And if they were to adhere to this trend, we would be totally screwed. But is this even legal? I mean, how can this be compatible with my privacy rights??? __________________ "I'm living in a dream I can't wake from" Core i5 2500K 3.3Ghz \| 8192 MB DDR3 1333 MHZ \| AMD Radeon HD 6950 2048 MB \| Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB SATAIII+WD Caviar 250GB SATAII \| Dell 3007WFP-HC 30"

March 31st, 2004, 12:30	#7
Player-X Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: From Kuching in Malaysia now stuck in Houston Texas Posts: 9,111	Just use knoppix when you go online and you shoud be fine

March 31st, 2004, 14:02	#8
Proto Knowledge is the solution Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, US. Previously in Mexico City Posts: 7,160	Dont worry, I-Chan... AMD is also into this Palladium project -.- I havent checked if Motorolla is into it thought. If not I think ill be sw to Macs very soon __________________

March 31st, 2004, 17:30	#9
Mslug Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: In front of my PC Posts: 410	as with all evil in the end when the evil looks it's strongest will come its downfall.

March 31st, 2004, 18:48	#10
Demigod これはバタスです Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,332	Even if Intel and AMD include palladium into their CPUs it probably won't get used (like the unique serial numbers on the Pentium 3). Of course it all depends on public opinion and feedback. They'll probably have it as an option which you can turn off and on. __________________ CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Mobo: Intel DX48BT2 Memory: 4096 MB PC10600 DDR3 Videocard: PNY Geforce 9800 GX2 Soundcard: On-board SigmaTel High Definition Audio Hard drive: 120 GB OCZ RevoDrive PCI-E SSD & 1 TB Hitachi Optical drive: LG GGW-H20L (2x BD-R DL) PSU: Nexus 1000 Watt PSU OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit) Proud millionaire folder of the NGEmu folding team

March 31st, 2004, 19:16	#11
Foxfyre Emulation Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 827	The way it explains Palladium, by the second generation, it will be built directly into the cpu chips making it near impossible to bypass. This software will constantly be connecting to an internet database to see if the applications you are running are not "blacklisted." If they are, it won't let you run them at all. If they get Palladium in enough people's homes, pretty soon they can tell the computer not to let you run anything that they haven't certified. So you wouldn't be able to run emulators, definitely. Also, take this into consideration. Say you like to make programs, (with visual basic, C++, whatever...) since visual basic will probably have certification, you can make your program, but then, guess what?? YOU CAN'T EVEN RUN THE PROGRAM THAT YOU JUST CREATED!!!! Unless you want to get it certified, by paying M$ $100,000. Plus, Palladium has scary implications for censorship. Any file they don't want on your computer they could just remotely delete!!!. Sounds real bad to me. __________________ Main Rig: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale (4.0ghz at 445FSB)/ GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P P45 Mobo/ 4 GB G Skill PC2 8500 Ram / SAMSUNG 22X SATA DVD Burner / 500 Gig Seagate HD / 250 Gig Maxtor HD / 1TB Western Digital HD / ATI Radeon HD5750 / Realtek HD Audio Media Center PC: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Manchester/ 2 GB Corsair PC3200 Ram / Sony Optiarc DVD-RW / 200 Gig Samsung HD / ATI Radeon HD 4650

April 1st, 2004, 04:05	#12
chillypacman Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Australia - Perth Posts: 1,057	>Linux...Linux...Get linux..do linux..like me its fun...easy..and non-ms ..oh..and the real linux is free THe free version of linus is going to be screwed because its not going to be palladium compliant thus you will alsop need to find a company selling non palladium cpu's... You can kiss goodbye to free software too...

April 1st, 2004, 04:39	#14
chillypacman Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Australia - Perth Posts: 1,057	>I very much doubt it. Microsoft just wants to make sure everyone pays $500 for their stupid MS Office. I could recreate most of Word and Excel using just Visual Basic. Apparently being worth 46 billion dollars isn't enough for Gates. The question is could you afford to palladium-certify it?

April 1st, 2004, 04:55	#15
bcrew1375 "Insert witty title here" Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: In a house Posts: 1,049	I thought this was interesting. It shows that the Palladium system is in clear violation of our Constitutional rights: http://fairuse.nylxs.com/ Of course, it seems like Congress is starting to ignore the Constitution because of large corporations. __________________ Can I go home now?

April 1st, 2004, 05:01	#16
chillypacman Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Australia - Perth Posts: 1,057	>Of course, it seems like Congress is starting to ignore the Constitution because of large corporations. And ***** talk about terrorism but thats another story... the point is they always put $$$ over democracy.