What games require Subchannels to work?

eternalightwith · March 4th, 2004, 00:31

I extracted all my games with the subchannel data enabled, but it would be nice to get rid on this file if it's not needed. 12-15 mb a game?

Which games require you to have the SUB file and it enabled in CDR plugin?

I believe someone said USA release of Vagrant Story, for one.

Any others?

David

P.S. Assume NTSC versions for all games only.

stilz · March 4th, 2004, 00:35

hello,
sorry i can't help you with this problem but i'd like to ask a similar question. eh... what is subchannel anyways? i mean i used to think of them as those tracks that can be played on cdplayers directly, but that's obviously not it. so.. someone help me.
o and, i think Front Mission 2 needs to have it enabled. though it's PAL... (runs away)

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**hushypushy** · March 4th, 2004, 02:41

i dont know of any NTSC games that do, IIRC, but i know that FF9 PAL needs it, and possible Crash Team Racing PAL as well.

most of the time, you wont need it.

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**Betamax** · March 4th, 2004, 09:04

Basically any game with "anti-modchip" copyprotection needs the subchanell data to run (or a ppf patch). This is becuase the game reads this data to verify that the cd is legit.

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orysyz · March 4th, 2004, 12:25

ohhh........
now i get that, but it useless for me.

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OddbOd · April 8th, 2004, 14:21

Most US titles do not contain any copy protection but here's an incomplete list of those that do:

Breath Of Fire 4*
Cool Boarders 2001
Crash Bash*
Dino Crisis
Emperor's New Groove
Grind Session
Legend of Dragoon
MediEvil 2
Mo-Ho Lost World
NBA Shootout 2001 US/NTSC
NCAA Gamebreaker 2001
NCCA Final 4 2001 NFL Gameday 2001
NHL Faceoff 2001
Resident Evil 3*
Resident Evil: Nemesis
Resident Evil: Survivor
Spyro 3 - Year Of The Dragon
Strider 2
The Grinch
Tomba 2
Toy Story 2*
Vandal Hearts 2
Wild Arms 2

* It would appear that there are certain versions available that are not protected.

The US NTSC Vagrant Story doesn't have copy protection. To check other titles try here: http://www.geocities.com/psxcplist/

stilz: Subchannel is the control data for a CD, there are actually 8 different subchannels on a CD labelled P to W basically they make the disc work properly. If you're really interested have a read of this: http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq02.html#S2-43-5

Titus03 · April 16th, 2004, 19:03

Anyone got "Alien Resurrection" working on ePSXe? I've tried many times, but it crashes when I start a new game or go to "credits"-screen. Does this game need subchannels to work?

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ready2rumbelX · May 3rd, 2004, 10:18

No, AR doesn't require Subchannel data enabled. I am playing it just fine. What are your settings?

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takwu · May 16th, 2004, 21:44

Yeah I disabled subchannel and Alien Resurrection is working just fine. Unless there's a different version of the game, I don't think your problem is related to that.
My screenshot thread has my gpu settings: http://www.ngemu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51513

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March 4th, 2004, 00:31	#1
eternalightwith Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 25	What games require Subchannels to work? I extracted all my games with the subchannel data enabled, but it would be nice to get rid on this file if it's not needed. 12-15 mb a game? Which games require you to have the SUB file and it enabled in CDR plugin? I believe someone said USA release of Vagrant Story, for one. Any others? David P.S. Assume NTSC versions for all games only.

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March 4th, 2004, 00:35	#2
stilz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ngemu? Posts: 608	hello, sorry i can't help you with this problem but i'd like to ask a similar question. eh... what is subchannel anyways? i mean i used to think of them as those tracks that can be played on cdplayers directly, but that's obviously not it. so.. someone help me. o and, i think Front Mission 2 needs to have it enabled. though it's PAL... (runs away) __________________ To all emulator authors and contributors: without your hard work, we'd be without many hours of enjoyment and unable to relive fond memories of childhood. Thank you.

March 4th, 2004, 02:41	#3
hushypushy the only one you've ever SEEN Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 21,979	i dont know of any NTSC games that do, IIRC, but i know that FF9 PAL needs it, and possible Crash Team Racing PAL as well. most of the time, you wont need it. __________________ Dedicated to mediocrity and repetition since 1994.

March 4th, 2004, 09:04	#4
Betamax Resident Movie Critic Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland Posts: 9,506	Basically any game with "anti-modchip" copyprotection needs the subchanell data to run (or a ppf patch). This is becuase the game reads this data to verify that the cd is legit. __________________ Superior marketing of an inferior product will always win over inferior marketing of a superior product.

March 4th, 2004, 12:25	#5
orysyz Shooting star Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Malaysia Posts: 774	ohhh........ now i get that, but it useless for me. __________________ Acer Aspire 5500, Centrino 1.73, 768Mb Ram, 80Gb HDD, ATI Mobility Radeon X700 Its Vista's voice 'wreck'gniton: Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all

April 8th, 2004, 14:21	#6
OddbOd Link Peddler Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: AU Posts: 17	Most US titles do not contain any copy protection but here's an incomplete list of those that do: Breath Of Fire 4* Cool Boarders 2001 Crash Bash* Dino Crisis Emperor's New Groove Grind Session Legend of Dragoon MediEvil 2 Mo-Ho Lost World NBA Shootout 2001 US/NTSC NCAA Gamebreaker 2001 NCCA Final 4 2001 NFL Gameday 2001 NHL Faceoff 2001 Resident Evil 3* Resident Evil: Nemesis Resident Evil: Survivor Spyro 3 - Year Of The Dragon Strider 2 The Grinch Tomba 2 Toy Story 2* Vandal Hearts 2 Wild Arms 2 * It would appear that there are certain versions available that are not protected. The US NTSC Vagrant Story doesn't have copy protection. To check other titles try here: http://www.geocities.com/psxcplist/ stilz: Subchannel is the control data for a CD, there are actually 8 different subchannels on a CD labelled P to W basically they make the disc work properly. If you're really interested have a read of this: http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq02.html#S2-43-5

April 16th, 2004, 19:03	#7
Titus03 Registered MSX user Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ? (In PAL-area) Posts: 1,620	Anyone got "Alien Resurrection" working on ePSXe? I've tried many times, but it crashes when I start a new game or go to "credits"-screen. Does this game need subchannels to work? __________________ DESKTOP: Intel Core2 Duo E8400 @3.0GHz · ASUS Commando · 4 GB DDR2 800MHz RAM · EVGA GeForce GTX 560 1024 MB · Corsair 620W 620HX 4x Seagate 320 GB HDD · Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty Champion · Windows XP Pro SP3 32-bit / Ubuntu 12.04 64-bit LAPTOP: Toshiba Satellite Pro A300-293 with Ubuntu 12.04 32-bit

May 3rd, 2004, 10:18	#8
ready2rumbelX InnarX Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Borderline InSAnE Posts: 2,750	No, AR doesn't require Subchannel data enabled. I am playing it just fine. What are your settings? r2rX __________________ ___________________________________________ -Intel Core i7 920 @ 3.8Ghz -MSi Big Bang X-Power Mobo -6GB Corsair Dominator GT -MSI GTX 680 2GB -Windows 8 (x64) + Linux Mint Debian Edition (x64) -Realtek HD (ALC889)

May 16th, 2004, 21:44	#9
takwu previous extinction Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 1,857	Yeah I disabled subchannel and Alien Resurrection is working just fine. Unless there's a different version of the game, I don't think your problem is related to that. My screenshot thread has my gpu settings: http://www.ngemu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51513 __________________ Latest toy: Sharp LCD TV Monitor LL-M17W1U