Tweaking my MX420 PCI, a lil help here :)

aolforbroadband · December 26th, 2003, 08:49

The memory on this sucker can go ALOT higher, I'm sure of that. I'm just wondering, what type of paste or adhesive should I use to attach ramsinks? Also I overclocked this bad boy before and it seemed too high because there was crap all over my screen and the monitor kept refreshing, and the system would sometimes lock up. Is there anyway around that?

Was it the core clock that caused the screen garbage? Or the memory? Well anyway I just wanted your 2 cents on what items I should use to get the most out of this old dog. I only plan to have it around for a couple more months, so what the hell

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**hushypushy** · December 26th, 2003, 09:06

probably the memory. i never get crap when i do a lot to the core but i get crap everywhere when i do memory. your best bet, for starters is to go to the control panel and select "auto" and let nvidias thing OC it for you. then go to RivaTuner and use their utility to bump it up step by step. ive found that rivatuner is much better at adjustments than the Nvidia control panel.

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RF · December 26th, 2003, 09:08

Use Articsilver 5 and superglue. Put AS5 in the middle, then superglue the cornors down. You can always rip them off without too much hassle.

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Chinoz · December 26th, 2003, 17:11

I wouldn't bother overclocking it if i were you. IMO, there would be a massive bottle neck, furthermore its a PCI slot.

aolforbroadband · December 26th, 2003, 23:23

Superglue? Isn't that bad for your computer

How about just the artic silver 5? I'm going to make this suckers memory DDR

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aolforbroadband · December 28th, 2003, 06:57

Well guys, I found an old 586 AMD K5 CPU cooler and I jacked the heat sink and fan since it's no longer in use. Anyway here are the pics, I wonder if they're good enough to do a lil cooling. I saw some FX5200 with only heatsinks, or very tiny heatsinks and fans. Tell me what you think and if these are good. BTW the fan is a cooler master DC12V0.9W sleeve bearing is listed on the sticker.

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RF · December 28th, 2003, 07:10

No, super glue is awesome because it dosnt conduct electricity.

Thoes heatsinks look good for ramsinks, yet they are real short.

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**hushypushy** · December 28th, 2003, 08:48

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Originally Posted by SzL

Well guys, I found an old 586 AMD K5 CPU cooler and I jacked the heat sink and fan since it's no longer in use. Anyway here are the pics, I wonder if they're good enough to do a lil cooling. I saw some FX5200 with only heatsinks, or very tiny heatsinks and fans. Tell me what you think and if these are good. BTW the fan is a cooler master DC12V0.9W sleeve bearing is listed on the sticker.

the 5200 sucks, esp. without a fan you cant OC it or do much, it will be a piece of crap. but at least it's quiet

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**cooliscool** · December 28th, 2003, 09:00

Erm, no offense, but why didn't you post this in 1 of the 3000 other threads about you tweaking your MX420 PCI?

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bahamut_2006 · December 28th, 2003, 09:37

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Originally Posted by cooliscool

Erm, no offense, but why didn't you post this in 1 of the 3000 other threads about you tweaking your MX420 PCI?

Erm, isnt 3000 a BIT exaggerating?

Anyway this guy just wants more performance out of that card, and I feel oc'ing it will not make it go faster, as it is already limited by the slow PCI bus. As a matter of fact, I oc'ed my old TNT2 PCI once, and the games were worse. Either due to the fact the card had crappy cooling, or the fact that the PCI latency increased. So I still stand by what I said in another thread: Get a new mobo with AGP, then worry about a video card.

aolforbroadband · December 28th, 2003, 22:55

So what about the fan and heatsinks? Will they do good

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**hushypushy** · December 28th, 2003, 23:10

they wont, besides Bahamut ive heard of other people where their games slowed down because of increased PCI lag, it's not a good idea

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aolforbroadband · December 29th, 2003, 03:08

Oh well, I was bored so I hooked up the fan, I peeled off the sticker since it was pretty ugly, maybe I'll replace it with an Nvidia fan sticker later. Still, I think every vid card today should have heatsink/fan combo, and besides this little fan packs a punch, it circulates air really well. BTW, I don't think that PCI lag theory is all that bad, but why did they also make a MX440 PCI with DDR if they knew there was a that big of a prob? Oh well, Anyway here's some pics:

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aolforbroadband · December 29th, 2003, 06:39

Results:

Defaults - 3dmark2001se: 2800
300/190 - 3dmark2001se: 3600
310/ 200 - 3dmark2001se: 3800 (Tons of artifacts, froze at some spots)

overall I think it doesn't do too much...an extra couple of FPS and 800+ in 3dmark...but I need to test it with PSX emus later.

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**Demigod** · December 29th, 2003, 07:11

Well when you have a slow GPU any extra frames are a bonus

. 800 3D marks may not be much on its own but percentage-wise that's a 28.6% performance increase, which should more than justify the overclock.

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**cooliscool** · December 29th, 2003, 09:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by SzL

Results:

Defaults - 3dmark2001se: 2800
300/190 - 3dmark2001se: 3600
310/ 200 - 3dmark2001se: 3800 (Tons of artifacts, froze at some spots)

overall I think it doesn't do too much...an extra couple of FPS and 800+ in 3dmark...but I need to test it with PSX emus later.

Hah. I get 6977 at default 260/350 speeds on my gf4 mx 440. I got 3976 with with a GF2 MX 400 PCI in this box, and my CPU was running @ 1.2GHz (all default 3dmark settings). Your low score prolly isn't caused by just your videocard. Your ghey p4 based celeron may also be the cause. Not to be an ass, but my P3 celeron probably beats it real-world performance. Instead of aiming for a videocard as your next upgrade, find a 2.xGHz Northwood Pentium4.

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**hushypushy** · December 29th, 2003, 11:29

would a northwood even work in his mobo?

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aolforbroadband · December 29th, 2003, 18:45

Yeah, the overclock worked pretty good. Once I get the metal scissors from my dad Ill make the ramsinks and buy some artic silver at micro center this week. Maybe I'll be able to keep it at 300/200 without any artifacts.

But, yes it's probably my cele, and yes I can stick a 2.4ghz P4 in here, and I plan to do that sometime soon. The retail boxed 2.4 P4 northwood is $166.

Celerons got 128kb L2 cache, and for games and benchmarks that's what's heavily tested. If it had say 256kb at least, I'd be getting pretty high scores. That P4 I want has 512kb full speed L2, so that will rock once I stick it in. But no cooliscool, if my cele and your tualatin cele went at it, mine would kill it in raw clockspeed. You just have 128kb more L2 cache than me

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**cooliscool** · December 29th, 2003, 20:06

I didn't say my cpu ran at a higher clock speed than yours. I just siad that it is probably faster in real world performance. That extra 128KB and a good core make all the difference.

btw, your avril avatar makes you look *****y.

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aolforbroadband · December 29th, 2003, 20:57

LoL, northwood is a good core

But take out those stars...

The avatar is too funny.

Anyway, I need help applying thermal compound. Is there anyway of just applying the thermal compound without any glue?

I have this dynex siver thermal compound I got at bestbuy for $7 and someone told me I needed to use krazy/superglue to attach it to my ram moddules...As you can see from the pic above I have 8 ram modules, all on the front..If anyone can take that pic and outline where I have to put what, or point me to a good article about it, I'd appreciate it. I have the silver compound and some krazy(super)glue that's sorta watery but holds strong as hell. Thanks!

Hopefully I can get this dog running smoothly with a 30% power increase... :guitar:

I saw the new PCI cards...just MX440s and FX5200 and even a Radeon 9200SE. I'll get a 9100 sometime later, since I'm really not sold on ATI's OpenGL support, and I've been an Nvidia homer since I bought this card in the summer of 2002 for $100 at BestBuy.

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December 26th, 2003, 08:49	#1
aolforbroadband Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Washington D.C. Area Posts: 1,839	Tweaking my MX420 PCI, a lil help here :) The memory on this sucker can go ALOT higher, I'm sure of that. I'm just wondering, what type of paste or adhesive should I use to attach ramsinks? Also I overclocked this bad boy before and it seemed too high because there was crap all over my screen and the monitor kept refreshing, and the system would sometimes lock up. Is there anyway around that? Was it the core clock that caused the screen garbage? Or the memory? Well anyway I just wanted your 2 cents on what items I should use to get the most out of this old dog. I only plan to have it around for a couple more months, so what the hell . __________________ Core 2 Duo E6600 \| 2GB Corsair XMS2 \| eVGA 8800GT AKIMBO 500GB Seagate 7200.11 \| Antec Sonata II \| OCZ Modxstream Pro 500w Acer 23" Widescreen LCD \| Logitech G5 Mouse

December 29th, 2003, 07:11	#15
Demigod これはバタスです Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,332	Well when you have a slow GPU any extra frames are a bonus. 800 3D marks may not be much on its own but percentage-wise that's a 28.6% performance increase, which should more than justify the overclock. __________________ CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Mobo: Intel DX48BT2 Memory: 4096 MB PC10600 DDR3 Videocard: PNY Geforce 9800 GX2 Soundcard: On-board SigmaTel High Definition Audio Hard drive: 120 GB OCZ RevoDrive PCI-E SSD & 1 TB Hitachi Optical drive: LG GGW-H20L (2x BD-R DL) PSU: Nexus 1000 Watt PSU OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit) Proud millionaire folder of the NGEmu folding team

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December 26th, 2003, 09:06	#2
hushypushy the only one you've ever SEEN Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 21,979	probably the memory. i never get crap when i do a lot to the core but i get crap everywhere when i do memory. your best bet, for starters is to go to the control panel and select "auto" and let nvidias thing OC it for you. then go to RivaTuner and use their utility to bump it up step by step. ive found that rivatuner is much better at adjustments than the Nvidia control panel. __________________ Dedicated to mediocrity and repetition since 1994.

December 26th, 2003, 09:08	#3
RF Canadian Spaceman Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,767	Use Articsilver 5 and superglue. Put AS5 in the middle, then superglue the cornors down. You can always rip them off without too much hassle. __________________ CPU: Core i7 920 \ MB: EVGA X58 \ RAM: 12GB OCZ DDR3-1600 \ GPU: ATi 5870 HDD: 2x 150GB VelociRaptor R0 / PSU: Enermax Galaxy 850w / OS: Windows 7 x64

December 26th, 2003, 17:11	#4
Chinoz ... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Desa Park, Key Ell, Malaysia Posts: 2,307	I wouldn't bother overclocking it if i were you. IMO, there would be a massive bottle neck, furthermore its a PCI slot. __________________ System specs P4 2.6c \| Abit AI7 \| Radeon 9800pro \| 1024mb kingston ddr400 \| 120gb seagate sata \| 40mb wd \| And all the minor bits and pieces 3dMark2001SE

December 26th, 2003, 23:23	#5
aolforbroadband Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Washington D.C. Area Posts: 1,839	Superglue? Isn't that bad for your computer How about just the artic silver 5? I'm going to make this suckers memory DDR __________________ Core 2 Duo E6600 \| 2GB Corsair XMS2 \| eVGA 8800GT AKIMBO 500GB Seagate 7200.11 \| Antec Sonata II \| OCZ Modxstream Pro 500w Acer 23" Widescreen LCD \| Logitech G5 Mouse

December 28th, 2003, 07:10	#7
RF Canadian Spaceman Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,767	No, super glue is awesome because it dosnt conduct electricity. Thoes heatsinks look good for ramsinks, yet they are real short. __________________ CPU: Core i7 920 \ MB: EVGA X58 \ RAM: 12GB OCZ DDR3-1600 \ GPU: ATi 5870 HDD: 2x 150GB VelociRaptor R0 / PSU: Enermax Galaxy 850w / OS: Windows 7 x64

December 28th, 2003, 09:00	#9
cooliscool Global Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: SC, USA Posts: 7,231	Erm, no offense, but why didn't you post this in 1 of the 3000 other threads about you tweaking your MX420 PCI? __________________

December 28th, 2003, 22:55	#11
aolforbroadband Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Washington D.C. Area Posts: 1,839	So what about the fan and heatsinks? Will they do good __________________ Core 2 Duo E6600 \| 2GB Corsair XMS2 \| eVGA 8800GT AKIMBO 500GB Seagate 7200.11 \| Antec Sonata II \| OCZ Modxstream Pro 500w Acer 23" Widescreen LCD \| Logitech G5 Mouse

December 28th, 2003, 23:10	#12
hushypushy the only one you've ever SEEN Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 21,979	they wont, besides Bahamut ive heard of other people where their games slowed down because of increased PCI lag, it's not a good idea __________________ Dedicated to mediocrity and repetition since 1994.

December 29th, 2003, 06:39	#14
aolforbroadband Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Washington D.C. Area Posts: 1,839	Results: Defaults - 3dmark2001se: 2800 300/190 - 3dmark2001se: 3600 310/ 200 - 3dmark2001se: 3800 (Tons of artifacts, froze at some spots) overall I think it doesn't do too much...an extra couple of FPS and 800+ in 3dmark...but I need to test it with PSX emus later. __________________ Core 2 Duo E6600 \| 2GB Corsair XMS2 \| eVGA 8800GT AKIMBO 500GB Seagate 7200.11 \| Antec Sonata II \| OCZ Modxstream Pro 500w Acer 23" Widescreen LCD \| Logitech G5 Mouse

December 29th, 2003, 11:29	#17
hushypushy the only one you've ever SEEN Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 21,979	would a northwood even work in his mobo? __________________ Dedicated to mediocrity and repetition since 1994.

December 29th, 2003, 18:45	#18
aolforbroadband Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Washington D.C. Area Posts: 1,839	Yeah, the overclock worked pretty good. Once I get the metal scissors from my dad Ill make the ramsinks and buy some artic silver at micro center this week. Maybe I'll be able to keep it at 300/200 without any artifacts. But, yes it's probably my cele, and yes I can stick a 2.4ghz P4 in here, and I plan to do that sometime soon. The retail boxed 2.4 P4 northwood is $166. Celerons got 128kb L2 cache, and for games and benchmarks that's what's heavily tested. If it had say 256kb at least, I'd be getting pretty high scores. That P4 I want has 512kb full speed L2, so that will rock once I stick it in. But no cooliscool, if my cele and your tualatin cele went at it, mine would kill it in raw clockspeed. You just have 128kb more L2 cache than me __________________ Core 2 Duo E6600 \| 2GB Corsair XMS2 \| eVGA 8800GT AKIMBO 500GB Seagate 7200.11 \| Antec Sonata II \| OCZ Modxstream Pro 500w Acer 23" Widescreen LCD \| Logitech G5 Mouse

December 29th, 2003, 20:06	#19
cooliscool Global Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: SC, USA Posts: 7,231	I didn't say my cpu ran at a higher clock speed than yours. I just siad that it is probably faster in real world performance. That extra 128KB and a good core make all the difference. btw, your avril avatar makes you look *****y. __________________

December 29th, 2003, 20:57	#20
aolforbroadband Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Washington D.C. Area Posts: 1,839	LoL, northwood is a good core But take out those stars... The avatar is too funny. Anyway, I need help applying thermal compound. Is there anyway of just applying the thermal compound without any glue? I have this dynex siver thermal compound I got at bestbuy for $7 and someone told me I needed to use krazy/superglue to attach it to my ram moddules...As you can see from the pic above I have 8 ram modules, all on the front..If anyone can take that pic and outline where I have to put what, or point me to a good article about it, I'd appreciate it. I have the silver compound and some krazy(super)glue that's sorta watery but holds strong as hell. Thanks! Hopefully I can get this dog running smoothly with a 30% power increase... :guitar: I saw the new PCI cards...just MX440s and FX5200 and even a Radeon 9200SE. I'll get a 9100 sometime later, since I'm really not sold on ATI's OpenGL support, and I've been an Nvidia homer since I bought this card in the summer of 2002 for $100 at BestBuy. __________________ Core 2 Duo E6600 \| 2GB Corsair XMS2 \| eVGA 8800GT AKIMBO 500GB Seagate 7200.11 \| Antec Sonata II \| OCZ Modxstream Pro 500w Acer 23" Widescreen LCD \| Logitech G5 Mouse