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Old August 15th, 2003, 19:15   #1
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Watch Out, Canadians!

Seems the P2P thing is soon to hit you, as well.
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Canada goes after p2p file sharers ...
The music industry's virulent sue 'em all subpoena campaign is taking on interesting new dimensions.

The RIAA has the US sewn up tight, its Dutch look-alike, BREIN, has announced plans to sue independent file sharers in The Netherlands, and now the CRIA (Canadian Recording Industry Association) has jumped on the American bandwagon.

Sadly, however, it isn't able to sue anyone, or swamp the country with subpoenas, unlike its counterpart across the border.

Instead, it's going to 'send warnings' to people engaged in p2p activities.

The CRIA (which no one in Canada has ever heard of) maintains a full time anti-piracy unit which among other things, monitors the Net. "This is a very active section that is currently addressing the challenges of escalating internet piracy," says CRIA president Brian Robertson.

Precisely what its warnings will achieve is anyone's guess. That's because, contrary to RIAA belief, Canada isn't part of America and the DMCA doesn't apply here, a situation the CRIA and its industry supporters in Canada are trying desperately to remedy. Until they do, however, things couldn't be clearer: Canadians can safely copy music, as long as it's for personal use and not for redistribution.

BUT ... the CRIA's outburst gives the appearance that it's in the game and looks good on paper - or, rather, in a paper.

Globe & Mail reporter Jack Kapika states in Can it happen here?:

"[...] in Canada, the [music] industry is collecting a levy on recordable CDs. (It now wants to extend this to MP3 players, flash memory and blank DVDs. Ordinary PC hard drives could be next on their list, but the industry fears wrath of the giant computer hardware industry, and has held back on demanding a levy on hard drives).

"All Canadian file-sharers — in fact all those who buy recordable CDs, even if not for recording music — have for several years paid for the privilege of downloading songs via peer-to-peer programs.

"The Canadian Copyright Copying Collective, which pushed for and administers the levy, has already hauled in close to $80-million over the past several years for losses supposedly due to sharing music files.

"So the industry is already being compensated, and it would be very difficult, under current legislation, to persuade a court to salve the wounds of the record companies and their related organizations by suing individuals for even more money. The levy was the result of an industry demand, and if the industry feels it is still not being properly compensated, then it must address itself to the Copyright Board, which sets the rates, and not file-sharing individuals. (The CPCC has been trying to get the Copyright Board to raise the rates dramatically. A decision is due soon.)"

I'm Canadian and I live on Vancouver Island in British Columbia, just up the road from Seattle.

A while back I did a story for a local paper and in it said, "Downloading music (and playing online) is what 57% of our children like best," states Canada's Media Awareness Network in 'Young Canadians in a Wired World: The Students' View 2001,' a nationwide survey of internet use among Canadian youth.

But, "only 6 per cent of parents are aware that their kids download".

And, "around four percent of users on file sharing networks are Canadian, meaning roughly 200,000 Canadians are typically logged on to a p2p service at any given time," Redshift Research's Matt Bailey told me for the same story.

The owner of a computer service near where I live sees at least 30 computers every month and, "85% have p2p software," he told me. "It's automatic. If there's a teenager in the house, Kazaa is on the machine."

In another G&M story here, Jack Kapika says the Canadian instant-message program is, "designed to inform Canadian users of file-sharing systems of the damage they are inflicting upon the thousands of people involved in the creation of music, as well as to warn them of the legal implications they might face," according to a statement from Robertson a statement.

In the meanwhile, the CRIA message reads: "Warning - It appears that you are offering copyrighted music to others from your computer. While we appreciate your love of music, please be aware that sharing copyrighted music on the Internet without permission from the copyright owner is illegal. When you do so, you hurt the artists, songwriters and musicians who create the music and the other talented individuals who are involved in bringing you the music.

"More than 40,000 Canadians work hard producing and supporting the music you appear to enjoy, including producers, engineers, retailers, music publishers, distributors, manufacturers, record companies, concert promoters and broadcasters.

"When you break the law, you risk legal penalties. There is a simple way to avoid that risk: Donąt distribute music to others on a file-sharing system like this. For further information, please go to www.cria.ca.

"Remember that you need music and music needs you."

That should do it, eh?
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Old August 15th, 2003, 19:19   #2
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Re: Watch Out, Canadians!

This just in:
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Canadian anti-p2p plan goes to Phase II
The CRIA (the Canadian Record Industry Association) says its anti-file sharing 'Education Program' has now moved to Phase II.

It and record industry associations in Australia, Denmark and Germany are launching Instant Messaging programs meant to disuade p2p users from file sharing, says Brian Robertson, president of the obscure organization.

"CRIA is utilizing the Instant Messaging function of the peer-to-peer (P2P) networks to communicate its message to individuals who appear to be distributing copyrighted music without authorization from the rights owners," it states in a puff release.

Yesterday, the CRIA, an RIAA clone, announced Phase I, a futile 'warning' campaign with 'Remember that you need music and music needs you' as its key line.

The association barks but can't bite because Canada has no equivalent to the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) through which the RIAA has been able to terrorise file sharers - mainly teenagers - in America.
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Old August 15th, 2003, 19:20   #3
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hehehe...evil bastards hehehe...
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Old August 15th, 2003, 19:20   #4
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>>Instead, it's going to 'send warnings' to people engaged in p2p activities.

Ooooooh Im so scared. I dont need music either. I got video games!

But what programsare they targetng? Kazaa? Cuz I dont even use that. Yes I download.

Anyways I dont see why anyone would be frightened by a message ... But thank you for the news. Just shows how much wussies that Canadian companies are.
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Old August 15th, 2003, 19:28   #5
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Hehehe, you're lucky Razor Blade. Me either, I'm not Canadian . I can dl as much as I can .
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Old August 15th, 2003, 19:31   #6
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I dont like music all that much anyways. What I do like I will download that song and listen to it over and over again till I get sick of it. I only have 2 burnt audio CD's At least I dont live in the US.
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Old August 15th, 2003, 19:35   #7
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At least I dont live in the US.
Tell me about it
We're in over our heads in subpeonas down here. At least we're making some ground with the recent rulings against the RIAA in regards to the MIT subpeonas and such. Congress has also requested some information about their operation, which is being reviewed atm. Anybody else smell a potential investigation?
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Old August 15th, 2003, 19:38   #8
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The RIAA has too much power right now and Im gonna tell you all this right now:

NO ONE CAN STOP P2P FILE SHARING!

Its a fact. By me anyways. Theres so many programs out now it would be impossible for them to keep track of all of them and so many they have no lue of I bet. Never fear Kazaa Lite is here!
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Old August 15th, 2003, 20:46   #9
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Heh, I imagine all of Canada is shaking with fear after such a stern warning.

They seem content to focus on mp3's, but I wonder for how long? Heh, I wonder if we'll see Laura Bush, ooh or better yet Nancy Reagan telling kids "Just say no, to mp3's"
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Old August 15th, 2003, 20:53   #10
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Uh oh, I better watch out for thoes warnings. Thoes will give you a kick in the pants.
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>>Heh, I imagine all of Canada is shaking with fear after such a stern warning.

Hah! Thats the funniest thing i ever heard.
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Old August 15th, 2003, 21:24   #12
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Now why exactly do some canadian organisations immitate what their american counter parts do? :eyes:

Anyways, I dontthink any of us is living in fear I do agree that P2P file sharing couldnt be stopped ( even if its was limited)

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Heh, I imagine all of Canada is shaking with fear after such a stern warning.
I know that I am. I almost shiat myself when I heard this news!!
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Yea Kirby where are you. Ad another name to your list of people to hate.
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is quebec still a part of canada?

i should have voted for the separatist
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Old August 16th, 2003, 00:21   #17
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It was like 48 percent voted for it. Wow it almost happened ... Yes sadly it is.
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It was like 48 percent voted for it. Wow it almost happened ... Yes sadly it is.
amen rsafrasa. They could never make it on their own tho, as soon as they did they would come crawling back.

the vote was 49/50
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Old August 16th, 2003, 02:35   #19
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uhh anyways..i detest the removing or illegalization of game/music or software sharing. BECAUSE IM NOT A RETARD WHO GONNA GO AND PAY 60 DOLLARS FOR A 30 CENT WORHTLESS BULL**** OF A GAME >_< MY DAD DONT LET ME GO TO THE STORE TO BUY SOMETHING THATS WORTHLESS TO EVERYONE FOR 60 DOLLARS!! THAT IS BIG AMOUNT OF CASH!! AND IM NOT STUPID EITHER. Tell me here who the **** bought windows Xp??? WHO BOUGHT THAT PIECE OF GARBAGE?? NO ONE!! most just download it. WANNA KNOW WHY?? CUZ NO ONES STUPID ENOUGH TO GO PAY 300 DOLLARS FOR A STINKIN O/S U CAN GET FOR FREE OFF THE NET. THIER MAKIN A FOOL OUTA YA TO BUY IT FOR THAT MUCH OF A PRICE.

A while ago there was an article saying that if ppl didnt pirate or steal games they would make games alot better, WELL HERES THE ****ING ANSWER LOWER UR GODAMN PRICES MAYBE THEN U WILL SEE LESS PIRATING AND COPYING OF UR PATHETIC 30 CENT WORTH SOFTWARE!! GET A ****ING LIFE U ****ING HOMO SOFTWARE COCK SUCKA'S!!!

sorry for my stupid behaviour but you have to admit i am right.
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Old August 16th, 2003, 03:07   #20
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Yes, software and games are becoming too expensive but if you don't like it, don't buy it; although you didn't have to say it like that. If enough ppl do that then the prices might go down but a LOT of ppl would have to do that.
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