NVIDIA and ATI product lineup(FX vs R350)

Cons · March 5th, 2003, 04:12

check this out guys, over here

i wonder what the rv350 would be, and how much price drop it can cause

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March 5th, 2003, 04:47

Very interesting Cons. Thanks for sharing the information. Looks like quite a battle coming up and hopefully the consumer (you and I) will emerge the ultimate winners. One can hope.
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Gamer1 · March 5th, 2003, 05:41

I'm still happy with my ti4200, unless i see my speeds go down the shute, there will be no need for an upgrade.

hopefully we would see price cuts.

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Valeron · March 5th, 2003, 08:05

Surely the R350 is gonna beat the FX rite?

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Gamer1 · March 5th, 2003, 08:12

>>Surely the R350 is gonna beat the FX rite?

too early too tell. hey, the inpossible might happen and the fx would beat the 9800pro.

There is nothing that i hate more than brand loyalty.

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Valeron · March 5th, 2003, 08:26

Yeah , lets hope the GF FX will beat the R350..Go GeForce

But tot that the 9700pro beats the FX ?

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Chinoz · March 5th, 2003, 08:35

well....i'm sure aTi won't release a nVidia killer that loses out to its r300 brother rite?
hey, the r350 is after all supposed deal the finishing blow to nv30 and maybe even the newer nv's

Player-X · March 5th, 2003, 12:51

We'll see

liquid · March 5th, 2003, 14:44

The cards I'm interested in are the mid range cards like the 9600 & GF 5600 Ultra....anything in the $150-$200 is good for me

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**Demigod** · March 5th, 2003, 15:18

The R350 should easily beat the GeForce FX, unless Nvidia makes some miraculous optimizations to the drivers. The FX can barely outperform the 6-month-old Radeon 9700 Pro and the R350 will offer a lot more memory bandwidth and a higher core. The GeForce FX is no threat to ATI, it's the NV35 that they should be concerned about and preparing for.

At least that's my predictions/opinions on the matter

. I'm sure others (like ChrisRay

) would have different ones.

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**Raziel** · March 5th, 2003, 16:14

Heh, the GeForce FX ain't no ATI killer, it's a good card, but not the one everyone expected, it would really surprise me if the FX could beat the R350, but, knowing nVIdia, drivers optimisations are still possible

(though it would require quite an enormous optimisation, one of the likes we've never seen yet

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March 5th, 2003, 16:55

Quote:

Originally posted by Demigod
The R350 should easily beat the GeForce FX, unless Nvidia makes some miraculous optimizations to the drivers. The FX can barely outperform the 6-month-old Radeon 9700 Pro and the R350 will offer a lot more memory bandwidth and a higher core. The GeForce FX is no threat to ATI, it's the NV35 that they should be concerned about and preparing for.

At least that's my predictions/opinions on the matter. I'm sure others (like ChrisRay ) would have different ones.

if the GeforceFX didn't come out. The r350 probably never would have existed. It's just an Overclocked r300. With an increased pixel shader ^^

**Demigod** · March 5th, 2003, 20:35

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Originally posted by ChrisRay
if the GeforceFX didn't come out. The r350 probably never would have existed. It's just an Overclocked r300. With an increased pixel shader ^^

Well a good company always looks 2 - 3 generations ahead and plans products as such. I'm almost certain that the R350 was in ATI's roadmap all along. They don't need to release a revolutionary product every cycle, it's much more cost effective to release an evolutionary product for the next generation and ATI can counter Nvidia's product cycle more effectively. Nvidia's done this as well (GeForce 2 GTS -> GeForce 2 Ultra; GeForce 3 -> GeForce 4). Too much technology isn't always a good idea, software developers would be swamped with too many options and not be able to put any of them to good use.

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**Raziel** · March 5th, 2003, 20:52

Quote:

Originally posted by Demigod
Well a good company always looks 2 - 3 generations ahead and plans products as such. I'm almost certain that the R350 was in ATI's roadmap all along. They don't need to release a revolutionary product every cycle, it's much more cost effective to release an evolutionary product for the next generation and ATI can counter Nvidia's product cycle more effectively. Nvidia's done this as well (GeForce 2 GTS -> GeForce 2 Ultra; GeForce 3 -> GeForce 4). Too much technology isn't always a good idea, software developers would be swamped with too many options and not be able to put any of them to good use.

Well, actually, most functions available on today's cards still aren't used.

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March 5th, 2003, 21:24

Quote:

Originally posted by Demigod
Well a good company always looks 2 - 3 generations ahead and plans products as such. I'm almost certain that the R350 was in ATI's roadmap all along. They don't need to release a revolutionary product every cycle, it's much more cost effective to release an evolutionary product for the next generation and ATI can counter Nvidia's product cycle more effectively. Nvidia's done this as well (GeForce 2 GTS -> GeForce 2 Ultra; GeForce 3 -> GeForce 4). Too much technology isn't always a good idea, software developers would be swamped with too many options and not be able to put any of them to good use.

Yup. I agree. But I doubt they would have released the r350 if there was no Nv30. The competition pushed their team foward on the card.

The Geforce 3-4 is a lil different from the r300 scenerio. But not a whole lot.

Being that as it may. We can effectively compare Geforce 4's tech improvements to Geforce 3s, And r300 to r350

GEforce 3-4 improvements.

Crossbar architecture (minimal)
Improved Anti Aliasing engine. Expecially in the 4x 9-tapand quincunx.
Dual Ramdacs.
Higher Clocks
Faster Memory.
Pixel Shader 1.3 from 1.1
Added Secondary Vertex Shader.

r300 to r350

Floating Point Pixel Shader (Like GeforceFX, Unlimited functions
New Anti Aliasing engine
Fatser clocks
Faster memories.(believe its possible it'll use GDDR)

So right now thats what I know about the r350.

**Demigod** · March 5th, 2003, 22:04

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisRay
Yup. I agree. But I doubt they would have released the r350 if there was no Nv30. The competition pushed their team foward on the card.

Yeah but it wasn't much of a push, really. The R350 was supposed to tackle Nvidia's next big product, the NV30 (I believe they began on its design immediately following the release of the R300) which was originally scheduled for August of 2002 but the delays proved to be a great blessing. ATI knew from the start that the NV30 would outperform the R300 (or so they thought) so they had to have the next product ready as soon as possible. I don't think anyone was anticipating this long a wait though and they've had a lot of time to develop the product.

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**Raziel** · March 5th, 2003, 22:09

Heh, and did anyone expect the GF FX to not live up to the expectations ?

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**Kane** · March 5th, 2003, 23:34

>Heh, and did anyone expect the GF FX to not live up to the expectations ?

Surely that's a contradiction in terms....

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dogulation000 · March 6th, 2003, 00:13

I thought Geforce FX was going to be a Radeon 9700 PRO killer. I was wrong. Apparently, ATI had prepared themselves well with the 256-bit memory architecture. It just shows that ATI had picked a great time to launch a set of great products that had a set of drivers that are certainly passable, but not the best.

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Demigod これはバタスです Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,332	The R350 should easily beat the GeForce FX, unless Nvidia makes some miraculous optimizations to the drivers. The FX can barely outperform the 6-month-old Radeon 9700 Pro and the R350 will offer a lot more memory bandwidth and a higher core. The GeForce FX is no threat to ATI, it's the NV35 that they should be concerned about and preparing for. At least that's my predictions/opinions on the matter. I'm sure others (like ChrisRay ) would have different ones. __________________ CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Mobo: Intel DX48BT2 Memory: 4096 MB PC10600 DDR3 Videocard: PNY Geforce 9800 GX2 Soundcard: On-board SigmaTel High Definition Audio Hard drive: 120 GB OCZ RevoDrive PCI-E SSD & 1 TB Hitachi Optical drive: LG GGW-H20L (2x BD-R DL) PSU: Nexus 1000 Watt PSU OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit) Proud millionaire folder of the NGEmu folding team

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March 5th, 2003, 04:47	#2
sxamiga Guest Posts: n/a	Very interesting Cons. Thanks for sharing the information. Looks like quite a battle coming up and hopefully the consumer (you and I) will emerge the ultimate winners. One can hope. sincerely, sx/amiga

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Gamer1 Anti-Brand Loyalist Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Its too dark to tell... Posts: 3,241	I'm still happy with my ti4200, unless i see my speeds go down the shute, there will be no need for an upgrade. hopefully we would see price cuts. __________________ Iris: (Proc:Intel Pentium4 2.8Ghz w/ HT UNLOCKED @ 15x200) (Mobo: Asus P4C800-E) (RAM: Corsair XMS 2x512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: Lite-On 16x DVD Burner 1673S) (GFX Card: Radeon 9800 All-In-Wonder Pro 128MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy) Morrigan: (Proc:AMD Athlon 2500+ @ 11x200) (Mobo: Asrock K7V88) (RAM: Corsair XMS 512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: NEC 16x DVD Burner 3200AG) (GFX Card: Radeon 920064MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Live! 5.1)

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Gamer1 Anti-Brand Loyalist Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Its too dark to tell... Posts: 3,241	>>Surely the R350 is gonna beat the FX rite? too early too tell. hey, the inpossible might happen and the fx would beat the 9800pro. There is nothing that i hate more than brand loyalty. __________________ Iris: (Proc:Intel Pentium4 2.8Ghz w/ HT UNLOCKED @ 15x200) (Mobo: Asus P4C800-E) (RAM: Corsair XMS 2x512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: Lite-On 16x DVD Burner 1673S) (GFX Card: Radeon 9800 All-In-Wonder Pro 128MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy) Morrigan: (Proc:AMD Athlon 2500+ @ 11x200) (Mobo: Asrock K7V88) (RAM: Corsair XMS 512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: NEC 16x DVD Burner 3200AG) (GFX Card: Radeon 920064MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Live! 5.1)

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Valeron Breathe Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kuala Lumpur , Malaysia Posts: 1,379	Yeah , lets hope the GF FX will beat the R350..Go GeForce But tot that the 9700pro beats the FX ? __________________ Pentium 4 2.4ghz , Gigabyte GA-8SR533P motherboard , Apacer 512 DDR266 Ram , MSI GF4 Ti4200 , Sound Blaster Live! Audigy DE , 60gb Maxtor Hard Disk , SONY 40x CD 16x DVD Rom ,SONY 8x/4x/32x Burner ,19" 300lbs Colour Monitor , Altec-Lansing Speaker , Proton Putra 1.8 EXi :guitar:

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