Microsoft invading your PC...... again.

Dgurion · January 24th, 2003, 06:57

Well, I have just come from this site:

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html

It talks about the new Windows PC which will be able to monitor and restrict your activities if it doesn't like what your doing, or something along those lines...

Oh, and Linux is also in on this, apparently this has already been around, but personally I think this is a HUGE invasion of privacy....

Kraiger Drago · January 24th, 2003, 07:19

tsk tsk tsk. If we have learned anything by now its that somebody will ALWAYS find a way around the system.

Remember when people used to think that you couldnt get rid of IE and such from your Windows OS? Then some guy went and made Win98 Lite (I *THINK* that was the name of it, right?). How you couldn't get past DVD encyrption, etc etc etc.

Also, unless you had a constant internet connnection, how could they monitor your stuff? Unless they start installing satelite modems/tracking devices in every PC?

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Dgurion · January 24th, 2003, 07:23

Well, I know that there will always be people who can get around these things, but as it stated in the FAQ, it will be extremely hard, and knowing Microsoft, it will keep updating it, making it harder and harder to do, until only a few can do it......and this is hardware were talking about, you cant just download a patch, its a little more complicated than that......

Kraiger Drago · January 24th, 2003, 07:33

From what I gathered from the FAQ, it was basically Microsoft and Intel doing the majority of the hardware for it right? Then the solution would be quite simple: simply use another OS and Parts. There are other processor manufacturers, and since MS is making its Windows Source code public, there will be other OSs. Of course if the Government makes every computer comply with the Palladium thing, you could simply just go North of the Border. They have plenty of room, if you don;t mind living on the Tundra (or "permafrost" as some call it).

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January 24th, 2003, 07:35

This Palladium is like 2 years old stuff. Both AMD and Intel plan to adopt it. Unless people start sayinfg stuff. Chances are. Near the end of the release.

People will get ticked off like that old Pentium 3 feature ^^

And it'll just end up not being used.

if it does. there are other altneratives to Windows ^^

Freaker · January 24th, 2003, 07:41

And I always figured the government would reach Big Brother status first, but I guess MS and Intel are just evil enough to go that far. The machines are actually going to tattle on us...and apparently Bill Gates has a problem with the Chinese. Ok, this is f'd up, plain and simple. Power to the hackers who can get around this crap. They tote it as 'trust software' but it sounds more like a lack of trust.

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January 24th, 2003, 10:21

Quote:

Originally posted by Freaker
And I always figured the government would reach Big Brother status first, but I guess MS and Intel are just evil enough to go that far. The machines are actually going to tattle on us...and apparently Bill Gates has a problem with the Chinese. Ok, this is f'd up, plain and simple. Power to the hackers who can get around this crap. They tote it as 'trust software' but it sounds more like a lack of trust.

What software company doesn't have a problem with China? *laughs*

Player-X · January 24th, 2003, 12:43

Can someone send this message to Bill Gattes and others developing this:

Roses Are Red,
Vilotes Are Blue,
Suger Is Sweet,
And **** YOU!(If it's cencored it's F.U.C.K all caps)

metal_ash · January 24th, 2003, 12:48

greeeeedddddyyyyyyyy

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caipirinha · January 24th, 2003, 13:26

WTF?! who they thing they are.... geez i got worried now, i installed wmp 9 and didn´t read the agreement... anti-piracy measures my ass... now i´ll try to find a way to uninstall it.

Player-X · January 24th, 2003, 13:32

Damm coprates

Zeke_D · January 24th, 2003, 15:41

I purchased windows XP and paid full price for it. Every third time I install a detonator driver, I have to call M$ and beg for a new activation key. Hackers and theives just go download a patch that disables product activation. So in reality the only people that windows activation affects is honest people that purchase the product. All it does is piss me off.

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**Shiori** · January 24th, 2003, 15:47

Save yourself the grief and just input a corp key. After all, you did purchase it legally.

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Zeke_D · January 24th, 2003, 15:51

I like to call every 3 months and cuss out M$ flunkys:

M$: Why do you need a produkt key?
Me: Cause XP asks me to call you.
M$: Did you reinstall Windows?
Me: None of your F uckin buisiness.
M$: Sir thats uncalled for!
Me: No you're uncalled for. Give me my damn key, or my $200 that I spent on XP.
M$: Okay sir I will read these 1256 characters in 16 character segments, please try to keep up.

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**Shiori** · January 24th, 2003, 15:54

LOL!

If I had to endure all that I wouldn't mind sending a packet of anthrax to Redmond.

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Zeke_D · January 24th, 2003, 15:59

Every 3 months or so thats what I go through. The first couple times I was transferred to a supervisor, who I reminded that XP not booting up without me calling them was extortion, he relented and gave me my key. A couple of times when this has happened at an inconvenient time, I thought of just downloading the patch, but never got around to iy.

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Nameless · January 24th, 2003, 16:10

This the woest thing I ever saw since WinME (no offence to it's users). What next?! Will we be forced to buy some kind of Microsoft software everytime we enter a PC shop!! Or maybe we have to put microsoft adds on our cars!! utterly unacceptable!!

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**Kurbster** · January 24th, 2003, 16:16

Quote:

Originally posted by Nameless
This the woest thing I ever saw since WinME (no offence to it's users).

none taken

Quote:

What next?! Will we be forced to buy some kind of Microsoft software everytime we enter a PC shop!!

If your talking about buying another PC, you can't buy anythink without Windows XP.

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**Demigod** · January 24th, 2003, 17:26

Nothing says you have to use Palladium. Sure you won't be able to use Palladium software but who gives a damn. I can't imagine how this could ever become popular. One of the major benefits to using PCs is their flexibility and upgradeability, which something like this would negate. I think it would change my entire concept of PCs.

Oh, and for those of you who don't know, Palladium will not be a seperate OS. It'll be an extension to Windows XP (and possibly 2K as well).

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Mr. Killjoy · January 24th, 2003, 18:10

I already read this on a french forum 2 month ago, and there I said:
M$ Sux

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January 24th, 2003, 06:57	#1
Dgurion ~Dgurion~ Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: At home Posts: 43	Microsoft invading your PC...... again. Well, I have just come from this site: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html It talks about the new Windows PC which will be able to monitor and restrict your activities if it doesn't like what your doing, or something along those lines... Oh, and Linux is also in on this, apparently this has already been around, but personally I think this is a HUGE invasion of privacy....

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January 24th, 2003, 07:19	#2
Kraiger Drago Goin' Downtown Join Date: May 2002 Location: Plateau of Leng Posts: 520	tsk tsk tsk. If we have learned anything by now its that somebody will ALWAYS find a way around the system. Remember when people used to think that you couldnt get rid of IE and such from your Windows OS? Then some guy went and made Win98 Lite (I THINK that was the name of it, right?). How you couldn't get past DVD encyrption, etc etc etc. Also, unless you had a constant internet connnection, how could they monitor your stuff? Unless they start installing satelite modems/tracking devices in every PC? __________________

January 24th, 2003, 07:23	#3
Dgurion ~Dgurion~ Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: At home Posts: 43	Well, I know that there will always be people who can get around these things, but as it stated in the FAQ, it will be extremely hard, and knowing Microsoft, it will keep updating it, making it harder and harder to do, until only a few can do it......and this is hardware were talking about, you cant just download a patch, its a little more complicated than that......

January 24th, 2003, 07:33	#4
Kraiger Drago Goin' Downtown Join Date: May 2002 Location: Plateau of Leng Posts: 520	From what I gathered from the FAQ, it was basically Microsoft and Intel doing the majority of the hardware for it right? Then the solution would be quite simple: simply use another OS and Parts. There are other processor manufacturers, and since MS is making its Windows Source code public, there will be other OSs. Of course if the Government makes every computer comply with the Palladium thing, you could simply just go North of the Border. They have plenty of room, if you don;t mind living on the Tundra (or "permafrost" as some call it). __________________

January 24th, 2003, 07:35	#5
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	This Palladium is like 2 years old stuff. Both AMD and Intel plan to adopt it. Unless people start sayinfg stuff. Chances are. Near the end of the release. People will get ticked off like that old Pentium 3 feature ^^ And it'll just end up not being used. if it does. there are other altneratives to Windows ^^

January 24th, 2003, 07:41	#6
Freaker Soy un perdedor... Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 99	And I always figured the government would reach Big Brother status first, but I guess MS and Intel are just evil enough to go that far. The machines are actually going to tattle on us...and apparently Bill Gates has a problem with the Chinese. Ok, this is f'd up, plain and simple. Power to the hackers who can get around this crap. They tote it as 'trust software' but it sounds more like a lack of trust. __________________ <BombScare> i beat the internet <BombScare> the end guy is hard

January 24th, 2003, 12:43	#8
Player-X Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: From Kuching in Malaysia now stuck in Houston Texas Posts: 9,111	Can someone send this message to Bill Gattes and others developing this: Roses Are Red, Vilotes Are Blue, Suger Is Sweet, And **** YOU!(If it's cencored it's F.U.C.K all caps)

January 24th, 2003, 12:48	#9
metal_ash V\|rus Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: house Posts: 521	greeeeedddddyyyyyyyy __________________

January 24th, 2003, 13:26	#10
caipirinha Change your heart Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,989	WTF?! who they thing they are.... geez i got worried now, i installed wmp 9 and didn´t read the agreement... anti-piracy measures my ass... now i´ll try to find a way to uninstall it.

January 24th, 2003, 13:32	#11
Player-X Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: From Kuching in Malaysia now stuck in Houston Texas Posts: 9,111	Damm coprates

January 24th, 2003, 15:41	#12
Zeke_D 100% emulated freak Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Ari-fu ckin-zona Posts: 1,028	I purchased windows XP and paid full price for it. Every third time I install a detonator driver, I have to call M$ and beg for a new activation key. Hackers and theives just go download a patch that disables product activation. So in reality the only people that windows activation affects is honest people that purchase the product. All it does is piss me off. __________________ AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ \| 2.0GB PC3200 \| Maxtor 120GB sATA\| GeForce 6800 GS 256MB Insignia IS-CM100751 19" \| XP Pro SP2 \| LG 16x Lightscribe DVD+/-RW \| Realtek Audio

January 24th, 2003, 15:47	#13
Shiori :3 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 10,128	Save yourself the grief and just input a corp key. After all, you did purchase it legally. __________________ My PC specs: AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.1 Ghz, ECS Elitegroup K7S5A, 256MB PC133 SDRAM, Geforce2 MX200 32MB, 20GB Seagate, Windows XP Pro. Ok, what else... Shiori figurine on top of case, assorted anime stickers on the side, lazy tabby cat on top of monitor.

January 24th, 2003, 15:51	#14
Zeke_D 100% emulated freak Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Ari-fu ckin-zona Posts: 1,028	I like to call every 3 months and cuss out M$ flunkys: M$: Why do you need a produkt key? Me: Cause XP asks me to call you. M$: Did you reinstall Windows? Me: None of your F uckin buisiness. M$: Sir thats uncalled for! Me: No you're uncalled for. Give me my damn key, or my $200 that I spent on XP. M$: Okay sir I will read these 1256 characters in 16 character segments, please try to keep up. __________________ AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ \| 2.0GB PC3200 \| Maxtor 120GB sATA\| GeForce 6800 GS 256MB Insignia IS-CM100751 19" \| XP Pro SP2 \| LG 16x Lightscribe DVD+/-RW \| Realtek Audio

January 24th, 2003, 15:54	#15
Shiori :3 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 10,128	LOL! If I had to endure all that I wouldn't mind sending a packet of anthrax to Redmond. __________________ My PC specs: AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.1 Ghz, ECS Elitegroup K7S5A, 256MB PC133 SDRAM, Geforce2 MX200 32MB, 20GB Seagate, Windows XP Pro. Ok, what else... Shiori figurine on top of case, assorted anime stickers on the side, lazy tabby cat on top of monitor.

January 24th, 2003, 15:59	#16
Zeke_D 100% emulated freak Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Ari-fu ckin-zona Posts: 1,028	Every 3 months or so thats what I go through. The first couple times I was transferred to a supervisor, who I reminded that XP not booting up without me calling them was extortion, he relented and gave me my key. A couple of times when this has happened at an inconvenient time, I thought of just downloading the patch, but never got around to iy. __________________ AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ \| 2.0GB PC3200 \| Maxtor 120GB sATA\| GeForce 6800 GS 256MB Insignia IS-CM100751 19" \| XP Pro SP2 \| LG 16x Lightscribe DVD+/-RW \| Realtek Audio

January 24th, 2003, 16:10	#17
Nameless r u really that bored? :P Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Saudi Arabia Posts: 1,925	This the woest thing I ever saw since WinME (no offence to it's users). What next?! Will we be forced to buy some kind of Microsoft software everytime we enter a PC shop!! Or maybe we have to put microsoft adds on our cars!! utterly unacceptable!! __________________ --To every problem, there is a solution (other than death, of course ). So, just smile!!.....okay that's a load of crap but you already know that. 3 years and still fighting!! Systems: - Modified Mac Mini: 2GHz Core Duo, 2GB RAM, 100GB 7200RPM HD, Dual-Boot Mac & XP - HP Tablet PC TC1100: 1.1GHz Centrino, 1GB RAM, 60GB 7200RPM HD, Vista Ultimate

January 24th, 2003, 17:26	#19
Demigod これはバタスです Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,331	Nothing says you have to use Palladium. Sure you won't be able to use Palladium software but who gives a damn. I can't imagine how this could ever become popular. One of the major benefits to using PCs is their flexibility and upgradeability, which something like this would negate. I think it would change my entire concept of PCs. Oh, and for those of you who don't know, Palladium will not be a seperate OS. It'll be an extension to Windows XP (and possibly 2K as well). __________________ CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Mobo: Intel DX48BT2 Memory: 4096 MB PC10600 DDR3 Videocard: PNY Geforce 9800 GX2 Soundcard: On-board SigmaTel High Definition Audio Hard drive: 120 GB OCZ RevoDrive PCI-E SSD & 1 TB Hitachi Optical drive: LG GGW-H20L (2x BD-R DL) PSU: Nexus 1000 Watt PSU OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit) Proud millionaire folder of the NGEmu folding team

January 24th, 2003, 18:10	#20
Mr. Killjoy Translator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Somewhere I don't belong (La Rochelle, France) Posts: 7,829	I already read this on a french forum 2 month ago, and there I said: M$ Sux __________________ CPU: Core 2 Q6600@3.2GHz - RAM: 4GB DDR2 (Corsair PC6400) VGA: GF GTX460 1024MB - Monitor: H233H 23" 1920x1080 Mobo: Gigabyte EP35C-DS3R - PSU: Antec NeoPower Blue 650w 24Mb/1Mb ADSL - Windows 7 Ultimate --------------------------------------------- All ePSXe plugins up-to-date http://mrkilljoy.deviantart.com/