Cruelty

**Ryos** · December 28th, 2002, 02:50

Is it human nature to be cruel to others? Or is that a trait that's evolved over time?

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Ninjaa · December 28th, 2002, 03:15

Just part of the deep complexities of the human mind. Let me just suffice it to say that it's in our genes.

(F)ragnarok(F) · December 28th, 2002, 03:18

i would think that its just an animal instinct that we couldnt leave behind

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**Shiori** · December 28th, 2002, 03:24

It's human to be cruel from time to time, but being always cruel mans you need to see a shrink.

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Omega · December 28th, 2002, 03:29

Hate and Love something so close
The cruelty is just something back from the past, the society build the hate around the world

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Sir Key · December 28th, 2002, 03:43

hmmmmm.... this is on of the things i've already thought about for hours.... dunno why... i always think about weird stuff when stoned... i went back with this "problem" you know scientists say that we evolved out of monkeys or better.... animals... this should mean we have a lot of animal instincts or ability's.... but... that's not really true... we sure got some instincts... but do we know if an earthquake or a storm is gonna happen? not really... or if you look at animals... as soon as they are able to use their genitals (especially male ones) they start ***king their parents or sisters/brothers... this is in my eyes one of the most confusing things.... but back ontopic... cruelnes does exist even in the animal territory... i've once seen a documentary about a pack of lions and there was one female lion wich really enjoyed killing the little baby's of the others in the pack... but they didn't hurt or punished her... this was so weird... although the parents knew about the lion they didn't even try to change it.... so you have to say that life is cruel not living things coz if you look at it on another part of view it's just about how early you are born and how early you start realizing how short life is so you can really enjoy it... so i think cruelnes is something you have in your genes.... it doesn't even have to come from your parents... there are enough sick people out there wich haven't been beaten up when they were young or something... cruelness is like erm... crap i forgot the word... erm.. something you like... it like a hobby... everyone enjoys doing theyr hobbies... so you do what you enjoy and if you enjoy it to hurt people then that's it... and not everyone is cruel from time to time... also i have to say i'm no longer sure if humans really were animals before because there are just too many things that are not animal-like at all... for example entertainment... animals never try to entertain somebody just for fun... also they don't bother about the psycologie of another animal... man i always loose the topic... sorry... hope you can figure out what i wanted to say

**Shiori** · December 28th, 2002, 03:45

It would be easier to figure it out if you used a few paragraphs to break it down.

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Omega · December 28th, 2002, 03:54

I would name that Cruelty to the people who are trying to read it....j;k

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Hanamichi · December 28th, 2002, 04:01

That's alot of fullstops there.

Being cruel is like a skill. The more you practice it, the easier it becomes. IMO being cruel to survive is something human(Like throttling the life out of a pig for food), but otherwise its like abusing drugs.

REBolt · December 28th, 2002, 04:44

well think about it... why did you remind of such thing?? Something you saw tha thave shocked you... ???

Well it's not only human to be cruel...it's something that all livin beings are! But not allways (of course)

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Kamina · December 28th, 2002, 07:16

Well... it's kinda hard to compare human cruelty with animal 'cruelty.' Although it's rare for a female lion to kill the young of a pride, whenever a male takes over a pride his first act is just that, to kill off all the young. This is to make the females go into heat and insure all the young he's going to be protecting are his.

I find it a lot more disturbing to watch monkeys hunt other monkeys... Especially chimps since they make it a group effort.

As for humans... Personally I think the main problem is our tendency to rationalize things. Things like nationalism, religious fanatisism and other beliefs that encourage ideals of inequality. It's easy to be cruel to someone you consider beneath yourself.

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Syed Fawad · December 28th, 2002, 10:36

I think that if humen are cruel, then I am not human

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**Betamax** · December 28th, 2002, 12:24

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Drachenfels · December 28th, 2002, 12:28

Quote:

Originally posted by Ninja
Just part of the deep complexities of the human mind. Let me just suffice it to say that it's in our genes.

yep.

Player-X · December 28th, 2002, 15:22

Humans are not perfect,creulty is to you what capitalism is to Karl Manx(I think thats how it's spelled),The diffrence is interpretation

Finalbuster · December 28th, 2002, 17:51

I think that humans are by nature good persons. It's the world what corrupts them. Kids living pacefully with their parents usually do better in school and are less troublesome. Kids that live away from one of their parents usually bring more chaos to a classroom. I talk about a school because my mother is a teacher, and things like those are what determine wether a kid is a "good" or "bad" student.

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Mr. Killjoy · December 28th, 2002, 18:30

>>I think that humans are by nature good persons

Peoples are neutral by nature, but are influenced by other's
moods, choices, etc, places, beliefs,...
Good persons are peoples who choosed to be good, or forced to be

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REBolt · December 28th, 2002, 19:57

Well its also cruel when a tree sucks all the water from other tree... its also cruel when a hungry bird eats is own sons or brothers... cruel ty its not only human... dont think that way! Cruelty is a part of the nature... of survival!!! :o

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RZetlin · December 28th, 2002, 20:21

It is in human nature to be cruel because we have given ourselves to Satan without knowing it.

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Mr. Killjoy · December 28th, 2002, 20:57

Satan nor God are a reason for our acts,
if one kills someone else, it won't be becoz of Satan,
it will be his -bad- choice
And it's the same for the Doctor who saves lifes in a hospital,
it isn't God who said him to do so, but only this doctor
who choosed to do it (for money?)

...what we do of our lives is our choices, not God or Satan's will

(I say that becoz I'm not a very religious guy)

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December 28th, 2002, 02:50	#1
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December 28th, 2002, 03:15	#2
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Just part of the deep complexities of the human mind. Let me just suffice it to say that it's in our genes.

December 28th, 2002, 03:18	#3
(F)ragnarok(F) Trying to stay alive Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: ... Posts: 2,939	i would think that its just an animal instinct that we couldnt leave behind __________________ Motherboard: Intel915GLVG -- CPU: Pentium 4 3.06GHz -- Monitor: ViewSonic VE910b LCD -- Video: Onboard -- Sound: Creative SB Audigy 2 -- Memory: 512 MB -- Disk Drives: Western Digital 250GB S-ATA -- OS: Windows XP -- DVD Rom University life sux....

December 28th, 2002, 03:24	#4
Shiori :3 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 10,128	It's human to be cruel from time to time, but being always cruel mans you need to see a shrink. __________________ My PC specs: AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.1 Ghz, ECS Elitegroup K7S5A, 256MB PC133 SDRAM, Geforce2 MX200 32MB, 20GB Seagate, Windows XP Pro. Ok, what else... Shiori figurine on top of case, assorted anime stickers on the side, lazy tabby cat on top of monitor.

December 28th, 2002, 03:29	#5
Omega User addicted to Diazepam Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: WIRED Posts: 4,744	Hate and Love something so close The cruelty is just something back from the past, the society build the hate around the world __________________ .:[ This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time ]:. .:[ I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last]:.

December 28th, 2002, 03:43	#6
Sir Key Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Nirvana Posts: 1,947	hmmmmm.... this is on of the things i've already thought about for hours.... dunno why... i always think about weird stuff when stoned... i went back with this "problem" you know scientists say that we evolved out of monkeys or better.... animals... this should mean we have a lot of animal instincts or ability's.... but... that's not really true... we sure got some instincts... but do we know if an earthquake or a storm is gonna happen? not really... or if you look at animals... as soon as they are able to use their genitals (especially male ones) they start ***king their parents or sisters/brothers... this is in my eyes one of the most confusing things.... but back ontopic... cruelnes does exist even in the animal territory... i've once seen a documentary about a pack of lions and there was one female lion wich really enjoyed killing the little baby's of the others in the pack... but they didn't hurt or punished her... this was so weird... although the parents knew about the lion they didn't even try to change it.... so you have to say that life is cruel not living things coz if you look at it on another part of view it's just about how early you are born and how early you start realizing how short life is so you can really enjoy it... so i think cruelnes is something you have in your genes.... it doesn't even have to come from your parents... there are enough sick people out there wich haven't been beaten up when they were young or something... cruelness is like erm... crap i forgot the word... erm.. something you like... it like a hobby... everyone enjoys doing theyr hobbies... so you do what you enjoy and if you enjoy it to hurt people then that's it... and not everyone is cruel from time to time... also i have to say i'm no longer sure if humans really were animals before because there are just too many things that are not animal-like at all... for example entertainment... animals never try to entertain somebody just for fun... also they don't bother about the psycologie of another animal... man i always loose the topic... sorry... hope you can figure out what i wanted to say

December 28th, 2002, 03:45	#7
Shiori :3 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 10,128	It would be easier to figure it out if you used a few paragraphs to break it down. __________________ My PC specs: AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.1 Ghz, ECS Elitegroup K7S5A, 256MB PC133 SDRAM, Geforce2 MX200 32MB, 20GB Seagate, Windows XP Pro. Ok, what else... Shiori figurine on top of case, assorted anime stickers on the side, lazy tabby cat on top of monitor.

December 28th, 2002, 03:54	#8
Omega User addicted to Diazepam Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: WIRED Posts: 4,744	I would name that Cruelty to the people who are trying to read it....j;k __________________ .:[ This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time ]:. .:[ I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last]:.

December 28th, 2002, 04:01	#9
Hanamichi Crotally Tazy Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Malaysia Posts: 4,580	That's alot of fullstops there. Being cruel is like a skill. The more you practice it, the easier it becomes. IMO being cruel to survive is something human(Like throttling the life out of a pig for food), but otherwise its like abusing drugs.

December 28th, 2002, 04:44	#10
REBolt The Heir of the World Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Oporto, Portugal.... I'm the Heir of the World but still the President of Shiori's FanClub... :) Posts: 371	well think about it... why did you remind of such thing?? Something you saw tha thave shocked you... ??? Well it's not only human to be cruel...it's something that all livin beings are! But not allways (of course) __________________ Shiori's Fan Club President

December 28th, 2002, 07:16	#11
Kamina Dance Monkey boy! Dance! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: OR, USA Posts: 515	Well... it's kinda hard to compare human cruelty with animal 'cruelty.' Although it's rare for a female lion to kill the young of a pride, whenever a male takes over a pride his first act is just that, to kill off all the young. This is to make the females go into heat and insure all the young he's going to be protecting are his. I find it a lot more disturbing to watch monkeys hunt other monkeys... Especially chimps since they make it a group effort. As for humans... Personally I think the main problem is our tendency to rationalize things. Things like nationalism, religious fanatisism and other beliefs that encourage ideals of inequality. It's easy to be cruel to someone you consider beneath yourself. __________________ Es gibt keine verzweifelten Lagen, es gibt nur verzweifelte Menschen

December 28th, 2002, 10:36	#12
Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,262	I think that if humen are cruel, then I am not human __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

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Finalbuster Nothing is like before. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 581	I think that humans are by nature good persons. It's the world what corrupts them. Kids living pacefully with their parents usually do better in school and are less troublesome. Kids that live away from one of their parents usually bring more chaos to a classroom. I talk about a school because my mother is a teacher, and things like those are what determine wether a kid is a "good" or "bad" student. __________________ Say yes to every opportunity that comes your way, as they may never come back.

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Mr. Killjoy Translator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Somewhere I don't belong (La Rochelle, France) Posts: 7,829	>>I think that humans are by nature good persons Peoples are neutral by nature, but are influenced by other's moods, choices, etc, places, beliefs,... Good persons are peoples who choosed to be good, or forced to be __________________ CPU: Core 2 Q6600@3.2GHz - RAM: 4GB DDR2 (Corsair PC6400) VGA: GF GTX460 1024MB - Monitor: H233H 23" 1920x1080 Mobo: Gigabyte EP35C-DS3R - PSU: Antec NeoPower Blue 650w 24Mb/1Mb ADSL - Windows 7 Ultimate --------------------------------------------- All ePSXe plugins up-to-date http://mrkilljoy.deviantart.com/ Last edited by Killjoy; December 28th, 2002 at 21:17..

December 28th, 2002, 19:57	#18
REBolt The Heir of the World Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Oporto, Portugal.... I'm the Heir of the World but still the President of Shiori's FanClub... :) Posts: 371	Well its also cruel when a tree sucks all the water from other tree... its also cruel when a hungry bird eats is own sons or brothers... cruel ty its not only human... dont think that way! Cruelty is a part of the nature... of survival!!! :o __________________ Shiori's Fan Club President

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Mr. Killjoy Translator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Somewhere I don't belong (La Rochelle, France) Posts: 7,829	Satan nor God are a reason for our acts, if one kills someone else, it won't be becoz of Satan, it will be his -bad- choice And it's the same for the Doctor who saves lifes in a hospital, it isn't God who said him to do so, but only this doctor who choosed to do it (for money?) ...what we do of our lives is our choices, not God or Satan's will (I say that becoz I'm not a very religious guy) __________________ CPU: Core 2 Q6600@3.2GHz - RAM: 4GB DDR2 (Corsair PC6400) VGA: GF GTX460 1024MB - Monitor: H233H 23" 1920x1080 Mobo: Gigabyte EP35C-DS3R - PSU: Antec NeoPower Blue 650w 24Mb/1Mb ADSL - Windows 7 Ultimate --------------------------------------------- All ePSXe plugins up-to-date http://mrkilljoy.deviantart.com/