PS2 vs GameCube vs XBox

[Exophase]

50% of Americans don't hate MS... unless 50% of Americans suddenly are composed of eltists, zealots, and fanboys.. nope, I think the average American doesn't give a damn o_O

- Exo

heh, indeed.


btw, if everyone truly hated MS, we would all be running linux. right?

The only problem I have with xbox is that it threathens the pc gaming market; that is; making pc games go xbox exclusive. The other danger is has is that is makes the genre-differences between consoles and pcs (which are complete crap IMO) even bigger than they already were. You see, I sometimes get the idea MS wants you to play Age of empires and flight sim on your pc but for the cool flashy games you need their xbox. And THAT, I dont like.
But, on the other hand, the PC games market may also benefit from it; like Konami, who now makes MGS2 substance for both xbox and pc; that might not have happened otherwise. Let's hope more companies will follow that idea. Oh, and customers play a big role in that too: PC's are relatively easy to pirate games on. You honestly dont think companies are willing to throw their games to the lions?

[Ninjaa]

Samor you talk a lot of sense. However, I must mention that the original MGS got ported to PC eventually, and did fairly well. I think that the PC port was inevitable regardless of whether the Xbox was there or not.

Originally posted by Ninja
Samor you talk a lot of sense. However, I must mention that the original MGS got ported to PC eventually, and did fairly well. I think that the PC port was inevitable regardless of whether the Xbox was there or not.

Maybe; it wouldnt be the first time a game gets ported to pc and its sequel doesnt.
And then you have the weird case of Megaman; Megaman 1 and 3 were ported to PC in very mediocre dos (think 16 color) versions, then Megaman X was fairly ok, but with Midi music, X2 didnt get ported, X3,4,5 done by capcom themselves, and Megaman Legends.
And sometimes you suddenly find pc ports of games you never knew about.
Like Ray Storm that was ported in 2000 (running in software mode (!)), and about every bust-a-move game got ported.
but going too far offtopic now.

btw, saw the console sales from japan again (they always list em on gamespy); seems ms is competing with sony! xbox vs psone that is

[_E_]

damn, I go offline for two days and I miss a hot disccusion ( we had a storm in Halifax, and the electricty was cut off for 12 hours ,thats why..)

Anyways, I would say that the insane amout of money sega spent on designing and developing the dreamcast is the major hit. It left sega without alot of money to spend on commercials and ads fr the dreamcast. Even the successful sales were not in a high rate to support sega's financial position.

and Yes, Xbox was looking behind on the dreamcast, but i would argue that this is not enough. They lack PRACTICAL experience with console industry..Yeah, they can build games of their own, but console industry is no way similar to the PC. Games should be designed to match the console's hardware precisley. They had to released at the right moment and on the right console to hit thier opponents deadly. Thats were the marketing experience comes in. MS porducts have no competetion in PC industry, they can release their products whenever they want to. this is not the same case with console industry..........

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[Kaiser Sigma]

Originally posted by Kingstar
(...) and Yes, Xbox was looking behind on the dreamcast, but i would argue that this is not enough. They lack PRACTICAL experience with console industry..Yeah, they can build games of their own, but console industry is no way similar to the PC. Games should be designed to match the console's hardware precisley. They had to released at the right moment and on the right console to hit thier opponents deadly. Thats were the marketing experience comes in. MS porducts have no competetion in PC industry, they can release their products whenever they want to. this is not the same case with console industry..........

So far, I've come to understand that it doesn't matter if you like it or not, if a company decides it will be a first party developer they can do it (providing they have enough money that is)... Sone didn't have any experience of sort and look at them now... they lead the industry... I'm a subjective guy when it comes to videogames, that's why I'm not going to buy a PS2 or a XXXBOX... but from an objective point of view MS has what it takes, so does Sony...

[_E_]

yes, But Sony was dealing with a the biggest company at that time, Nintendo. dont forget that sony was smart when they launched their PSX. as soon as they got rid of Nintendo, they waited for sometime until Sega releases its Saturn. Followed that by 1 week came the PSX. Xbox timing wasent accurate, and is not enjoying the third party support sony has.....

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[Kaiser Sigma]

Originally posted by Kingstar
(...) Followed that by 1 week came the PSX. Xbox timing wasent accurate, and is not enjoying the third party support sony has.....

Sadly it's only a matter of fact... I can assure you that that situation is going to change... I hope that the PS2 and the GC can do their best to counter that...

[_E_]

Kaiser, I am indeed aware of the Xbox capabilty to resemble a thread towards the GC and PS2. Its already defeated them in hardware comaprison. But i just want to ask a question, where the hell is MS gonna have its third party support from??

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[Kaiser Sigma]

They got Rare didn't them ? what makes you think they can't get other companies ?...

[_E_]

Kaiser, I think you should re read Ninja's post once again. Rare is nothing right now. Last time, Ninja mentioned that 25 people left rare when it was bought by sony. MS is tried to buy Sega, Nintendo, Capcom...but until now, its failing in its quests........

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[Kaiser Sigma]

Originally posted by Kingstar
Kaiser, I think you should re read Ninja's post once again. Rare is nothing right now. Last time, Ninja mentioned that 25 people left rare when it was bought by sony. MS is tried to buy Sega, Nintendo, Capcom...but until now, its failing in its quests........

My point isn't about if Rare is a powerful third party developer or not... my point is that slowly they will gather companies... it's the natural flow of things, just like Sony did so will MS... it's a fact, a logical one.

[Quatro]

but I doubt that they (the other companies targetted by MS) to go down easily... unless they experience heavy loss and at a verge of bankruptcy (which is less likely to happen)... money is power right now...

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MS is tried to buy Sega, Nintendo, Capcom...but until now, its failing in its quests

Sega was willing to sell. Microsoft turned them down due to Sega's high debts. Sony and Nintendo all tried to buy Sega. This is not something only microsoft was trying to do.

No one wanted the companies debts.

[_E_]

Okay,thats the case for Sega, but what about MS trying to get capcom and Nintendo itself?

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How's that any different from Sony trying to buy Square and Electronic Arts?

Sony had the advantage of getting square because CD technology was compelling at the time. EA has been under sony's wing for such a long time its not even funny. I swear sony sometimes pays EA to make the ports for counterpart systems worse.

and Yes, Xbox was looking behind on the dreamcast, but i would argue that this is not enough. They lack PRACTICAL experience with console industry..Yeah, they can build games of their own, but console industry is no way similar to the PC. Games should be designed to match the console's hardware precisley. They had to released at the right moment and on the right console to hit thier opponents deadly. Thats were the marketing experience comes in. MS porducts have no competetion in PC industry, they can release their products whenever they want to. this is not the same case with console industry..........

What game has been released for the Xbox that doesn't use Xbox hardware. Controller/HD/ Graphics card?

Its not like Microsoft is offering everyone a mouse and keyboard to play these games. Sorry. There is nothing wrong with using PC hardware to create a console.

The xbox software support is not terrible. Microsoft is hitting the exact same selling point that Sony used 6 years ago. "sports titles" they realize in the US these are some of the strongest titles and it works. Even Sony realized this. Sony didn't catch onto the RPG scene till roughly a year later. And I expect microsoft too as well.

Sports game outnumber RPG sales almost 10 to 1 due to a huge demand for them. There's nothing wrong with microsofts strategy.

[_E_]

,.....Pay EA, huh? take about playing dirty Anyways, Even if they had the potential to buy companies, that would be limited. MS is looking for a big name company ( thats why they got rare) , but most of them are in good condition ( if we excluded sega). Meaning that its hard for MS to get square or EA for example , although they have enough money. And what happened with Sony doesnt nesseccary mean thats its gonna happen with MS although everything is possible in this life

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Margaret C. Smith

[_E_]

Originally posted by ChrisRay


What game has been released for the Xbox that doesn't use Xbox hardware. Controller/HD/ Graphics card?

Its not like Microsoft is offering everyone a mouse and keyboard to play these games. Sorry. There is nothing wrong with using PC hardware to create a console.

The xbox software support is not terrible. Microsoft is hitting the exact same selling point that Sony used 6 years ago. "sports titles" they realize in the US these are some of the strongest titles and it works. Even Sony realized this. Sony didn't catch onto the RPG scene till roughly a year later. And I expect microsoft too as well.

Sports game outnumber RPG sales almost 10 to 1 due to a huge demand for them. There's nothing wrong with microsofts strategy.

mmm,...Sport games outsold RPGs ????? never heard of this before...As for MS strategy, I dont think its similar to sony's . Sony's PSX was a revolutionary console, ( It provided excellent 3D graphics at its time) and was more superior than the SNES and genises. Moreover, it was more easier to develop games for the PSX more than the Saturn, and the psx release came just after the saturn's to stab sega from the back. Thats why the PSX had greater success, its not becuase of the sport games........

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the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character.
Margaret C. Smith