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**Exophase** · December 17th, 2002, 22:27

Look, dating sims just don't have the same appeal to the American gamer demigraphic that they have in Japan. It's not because US gamers think they're all hentai; most gamers probably aren't even aware that hentai is widely available because a) they're too young to buy it b) it's virtually unavailable for consoles and c) it's not really all that accessible/available at all. Really we could basically consider hentai games to be more part of the pornography industry than the gaming industry; sure, they might have gaming elements, in the same way porn movies might have.. movie elements, but for the most part.. well I'm not going to deny that there are probably some that are pretty good games, but let's not go there.... The point I'm trying to make is that the reason why dating sims aren't sold in America isn't because developers are afraid gamers won't buy it because they'll think it's nothing but hentai. It's only reasonable to think that in a place like this where everyone is familiar with hentai. No, the reason why they don't market it here is because we're simply not interested. Like it or not, we have different cultural values and tastes than Japanese people do, and some things just aren't going to sell no matter how innovatively marketted they are or how much money is put behind them. Hell, look at Dragon Quest 7, it's an RPG for crying out loud. RPG's tend to do well here. So tell me, why did the best selling game of all time in Japan utterly bomb in America? I can hardly say for sure, but if I were to take a guess it'd be because American gamers appreciate RPGs for indepth plots, cutting edge graphics, and innovative gameplay, while Japanese gamers probably appreciate games that are very long, challenging, and nostalgic. Please don't anyone tell me "American gamers are stupid" okay? I've seen a lot of this cultural bias here (mostly Americans who want to be Japanese) and it's pretty sad. Both cultures obviously have their unique aspects and their unique tastes, and I hardly see why prefering Dragon Quest or dating sims makes their culture superior.

- Exo

**Shiori** · December 17th, 2002, 23:08

Well, it shows if any that they've got a broader mind than you guys. Imagine stereotyping SLG games as hentai way before they hit the shores...it can't get more narrow (and stupid, really) than that.

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**Exophase** · December 17th, 2002, 23:33

Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Broader minds, more intelligent gamers, whatever. I've heard it all. Did you even read my post? No one would stereotype SLG games as hentai except those who are like some on these boards. Perhaps you're so zealously supporting these games that you won't accept the fact that people here might not LIKE them, and have to say instead that they're narrow minded? Thanks.

- Exo

Kaiser Sigma · December 17th, 2002, 23:39

Mmmm... maybe we are straying from the topic... Shiori has one point (though I hate to admit it)... and another thing... the fact that we get so many (because I've seen a lot) of H-games say something about the western ppl...

**Shiori** · December 17th, 2002, 23:45

Well I did try to swing it back to console discussion a few posts back.

Ninja's not here yet, so you guys'll just have to wait.

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Kaiser Sigma · December 17th, 2002, 23:48

> Well I did try to swing it back to console discussion a few posts back. Ninja's not here yet, so you guys'll just have to wait.

Hey, it wasn't me the one who brought this back... as for the "console war"... you have to admit that so far this thread has grown quite boring... if not worse... so talking about other topics isn't that bad...

**Shiori** · December 17th, 2002, 23:51

After 50 pages, you'd think anyone would've run out of arguments by then.

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Kaiser Sigma · December 17th, 2002, 23:54

Actually I think that we have run out of arguments a while back... we are just feeding a fire for the sole purpose of keeping it... at this point everything is said... or at least that's what I think...

Ninjaa · December 18th, 2002, 00:26

Nah, I am still trying to fight with real arguments, but it seems like everyone else is down to nitpicking what I say except Raedius, who is also posting some relevant things.

Anyways, Pokemon is all but confirmed for GameCube. It's being developed by a developer with a lot of experience with RPGs, containing both Mother (Earthbound), and Dragon Quest (Dragon Warrior) team members. I am thinking that Nintendo is going to be playing hardball. They are going to make the most awesome Pokemon game ever for GameCube. How do you guys think that will affect sales?

And about Nintendo's Megaton announcement.... It's supposed to make PS2 owners very unhappy. That just adds to the speculation. It will be announced within the next 24 hours though. When you wake up tomorrow, chances are you will know what it is.

Kaiser Sigma · December 18th, 2002, 03:18

> Nah, I am still trying to fight with real arguments, but it seems like everyone else is down to nitpicking what I say except Raedius, who is also posting some relevant things.

Cut the obssesion Ninja...

> How do you guys think that will affect sales?

I dunno, I hate pokemon... though for some strange reason all the world like them...

> And about Nintendo's Megaton announcement.... It's supposed to make PS2 owners very unhappy. That just adds to the speculation. It will be announced within the next 24 hours though. When you wake up tomorrow, chances are you will know what it is

I don't know if these guys went ahead of time saying it, but Datafull (a well respected video game page on my country) announced that Nintendo is making the final details on its buy over Capcom... so, that's the best reason to start hating Nintendo... down with that pathetic company...

systemid · December 18th, 2002, 03:39

About the dating sims im open to them as a matter of fact at newgrounds.com there where some fun dating sim games and i must admit they where really fun. I just think that game companys are scared of what the public will think most of those damn parents who dont like mature games would be really upset and would try to ban it but i say try to sell one here atleast try. I would atleast rent it.

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Kaiser Sigma · December 18th, 2002, 03:41

As I said above, I'd trade my boring platform games for a dating sim anyday... as for the censorship... heh, you may be right, ppl don't care if we play a game on which we slay someone with a big sword... but if we play something new they think we are sick and a lot more of crap... maybe we ARE narrow minded after all...

Kraiger Drago · December 18th, 2002, 04:10

So Japanese comic readers are close minded because they don't like American Comics?

(well, with the Exception of Monkey Punch and Masakazu Katsura). Anyhoo, Exophase summed up things good enough for me, so this is the last post I will make pertaining to the subject.

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I don't know if these guys went ahead of time saying it, but Datafull (a well respected video game page on my country) announced that Nintendo is making the final details on its buy over Capcom... so, that's the best reason to start hating Nintendo... down with that pathetic company...

Oh, so all the N64 owners shouldve hated Sony because Square went exclusive with them?

But I agree, Capcom becoming ENTIRELY Nintendo exclusive is bad (if that is what the Megaton Anouncement is all about). All of those Xbox and PS2 owners deprived of one of the best (IMHO) game companies out there.

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Kaiser Sigma · December 18th, 2002, 04:14

> Oh, so all the N64 owners shouldve hated Sony because Square went exclusive with them? But I agree, Capcom becoming ENTIRELY Nintendo exclusive is bad (if that is what the Megaton Anouncement is all about). All of those Xbox and PS2 owners deprived of one of the best (IMHO) game companies out there.

Don't loose my point, Squaresoft turned their back on Nintendo... but Capcom is being ACQUIRED by Nintendo, those are different matters. Which means you will never see a game of that company in a console that isn't from Nintendo... therefore that's my motivation to hate them, they deprived the world of a great company...

Gamer1 · December 18th, 2002, 04:49

Quote:

Originally posted by Kaiser Sigma

Don't loose my point, Squaresoft turned their back on Nintendo... but Capcom is being ACQUIRED by Nintendo

So sony aquiring practically 50% of square totally escaped your mind?

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*Square became exclusive... where's your hatred towards Sony?

And final Fantasy chronicles, and the tactics one, is being developed by a sqaure subsidiary (not owned by sony)... probably being developed by the newly swallowed up company by square... i believe it is the people that made tactic ogre...

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**Exophase** · December 18th, 2002, 05:47

50% is a gross exaggeration. I think you mean 18%. Buying 18% of a company's stock isn't comparable with buying a company, sorry.

- Exo

**Exophase** · December 18th, 2002, 05:48

And Square never became Sony exclusive, this is rubbish. Just because they avoided Nintendo consoles hardly made them exclusive; has everyone forgotten their Wonder Swan Color games? They happened to not be on very friendly terms with Nintendo, you know.

- Exo

**Shiori** · December 18th, 2002, 07:51

Quote:

Originally posted by Exophase
50% is a gross exaggeration. I think you mean 18%. Buying 18% of a company's stock isn't comparable with buying a company, sorry.

- Exo

It does buy a significant chunk of control though... enough to significantly influence corporate decisions if it's a publicly held company.

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December 18th, 2002, 10:01

Owning stock 18% of the stock however does give them a notable say in what happens to the company. Just Like Microsoft owns 24% of Sega.

**Shiori** · December 18th, 2002, 10:38

I was talking about the 18%, not the 50. Just FYI.

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December 17th, 2002, 22:27	#1021
Exophase Emu author Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Cleveland OH, USA Posts: 1,437	Look, dating sims just don't have the same appeal to the American gamer demigraphic that they have in Japan. It's not because US gamers think they're all hentai; most gamers probably aren't even aware that hentai is widely available because a) they're too young to buy it b) it's virtually unavailable for consoles and c) it's not really all that accessible/available at all. Really we could basically consider hentai games to be more part of the pornography industry than the gaming industry; sure, they might have gaming elements, in the same way porn movies might have.. movie elements, but for the most part.. well I'm not going to deny that there are probably some that are pretty good games, but let's not go there.... The point I'm trying to make is that the reason why dating sims aren't sold in America isn't because developers are afraid gamers won't buy it because they'll think it's nothing but hentai. It's only reasonable to think that in a place like this where everyone is familiar with hentai. No, the reason why they don't market it here is because we're simply not interested. Like it or not, we have different cultural values and tastes than Japanese people do, and some things just aren't going to sell no matter how innovatively marketted they are or how much money is put behind them. Hell, look at Dragon Quest 7, it's an RPG for crying out loud. RPG's tend to do well here. So tell me, why did the best selling game of all time in Japan utterly bomb in America? I can hardly say for sure, but if I were to take a guess it'd be because American gamers appreciate RPGs for indepth plots, cutting edge graphics, and innovative gameplay, while Japanese gamers probably appreciate games that are very long, challenging, and nostalgic. Please don't anyone tell me "American gamers are stupid" okay? I've seen a lot of this cultural bias here (mostly Americans who want to be Japanese) and it's pretty sad. Both cultures obviously have their unique aspects and their unique tastes, and I hardly see why prefering Dragon Quest or dating sims makes their culture superior. - Exo

December 17th, 2002, 23:08	#1022
Shiori :3 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 10,128	Well, it shows if any that they've got a broader mind than you guys. Imagine stereotyping SLG games as hentai way before they hit the shores...it can't get more narrow (and stupid, really) than that. __________________ My PC specs: AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.1 Ghz, ECS Elitegroup K7S5A, 256MB PC133 SDRAM, Geforce2 MX200 32MB, 20GB Seagate, Windows XP Pro. Ok, what else... Shiori figurine on top of case, assorted anime stickers on the side, lazy tabby cat on top of monitor.

December 17th, 2002, 23:33	#1023
Exophase Emu author Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Cleveland OH, USA Posts: 1,437	Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Broader minds, more intelligent gamers, whatever. I've heard it all. Did you even read my post? No one would stereotype SLG games as hentai except those who are like some on these boards. Perhaps you're so zealously supporting these games that you won't accept the fact that people here might not LIKE them, and have to say instead that they're narrow minded? Thanks. - Exo

December 17th, 2002, 23:39	#1024
Kaiser Sigma ~ Lord of Darkness ~ Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A place darker than the night. Posts: 15,314	Mmmm... maybe we are straying from the topic... Shiori has one point (though I hate to admit it)... and another thing... the fact that we get so many (because I've seen a lot) of H-games say something about the western ppl...

December 17th, 2002, 23:45	#1025
Shiori :3 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 10,128	Well I did try to swing it back to console discussion a few posts back. Ninja's not here yet, so you guys'll just have to wait. __________________ My PC specs: AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.1 Ghz, ECS Elitegroup K7S5A, 256MB PC133 SDRAM, Geforce2 MX200 32MB, 20GB Seagate, Windows XP Pro. Ok, what else... Shiori figurine on top of case, assorted anime stickers on the side, lazy tabby cat on top of monitor.

December 17th, 2002, 23:48	#1026
Kaiser Sigma ~ Lord of Darkness ~ Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A place darker than the night. Posts: 15,314	> Well I did try to swing it back to console discussion a few posts back. Ninja's not here yet, so you guys'll just have to wait. Hey, it wasn't me the one who brought this back... as for the "console war"... you have to admit that so far this thread has grown quite boring... if not worse... so talking about other topics isn't that bad...

December 17th, 2002, 23:51	#1027
Shiori :3 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 10,128	After 50 pages, you'd think anyone would've run out of arguments by then. __________________ My PC specs: AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.1 Ghz, ECS Elitegroup K7S5A, 256MB PC133 SDRAM, Geforce2 MX200 32MB, 20GB Seagate, Windows XP Pro. Ok, what else... Shiori figurine on top of case, assorted anime stickers on the side, lazy tabby cat on top of monitor.

December 17th, 2002, 23:54	#1028
Kaiser Sigma ~ Lord of Darkness ~ Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A place darker than the night. Posts: 15,314	Actually I think that we have run out of arguments a while back... we are just feeding a fire for the sole purpose of keeping it... at this point everything is said... or at least that's what I think...

December 18th, 2002, 00:26	#1029
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Nah, I am still trying to fight with real arguments, but it seems like everyone else is down to nitpicking what I say except Raedius, who is also posting some relevant things. Anyways, Pokemon is all but confirmed for GameCube. It's being developed by a developer with a lot of experience with RPGs, containing both Mother (Earthbound), and Dragon Quest (Dragon Warrior) team members. I am thinking that Nintendo is going to be playing hardball. They are going to make the most awesome Pokemon game ever for GameCube. How do you guys think that will affect sales? And about Nintendo's Megaton announcement.... It's supposed to make PS2 owners very unhappy. That just adds to the speculation. It will be announced within the next 24 hours though. When you wake up tomorrow, chances are you will know what it is.

December 18th, 2002, 03:18	#1030
Kaiser Sigma ~ Lord of Darkness ~ Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A place darker than the night. Posts: 15,314	> Nah, I am still trying to fight with real arguments, but it seems like everyone else is down to nitpicking what I say except Raedius, who is also posting some relevant things. Cut the obssesion Ninja... > How do you guys think that will affect sales? I dunno, I hate pokemon... though for some strange reason all the world like them... > And about Nintendo's Megaton announcement.... It's supposed to make PS2 owners very unhappy. That just adds to the speculation. It will be announced within the next 24 hours though. When you wake up tomorrow, chances are you will know what it is I don't know if these guys went ahead of time saying it, but Datafull (a well respected video game page on my country) announced that Nintendo is making the final details on its buy over Capcom... so, that's the best reason to start hating Nintendo... down with that pathetic company...

December 18th, 2002, 03:39	#1031
systemid The fat one Join Date: May 2002 Location: crapland Posts: 629	About the dating sims im open to them as a matter of fact at newgrounds.com there where some fun dating sim games and i must admit they where really fun. I just think that game companys are scared of what the public will think most of those damn parents who dont like mature games would be really upset and would try to ban it but i say try to sell one here atleast try. I would atleast rent it. __________________ Hahahahahahahahahaha the cubs suck. GO marlins

December 18th, 2002, 03:41	#1032
Kaiser Sigma ~ Lord of Darkness ~ Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A place darker than the night. Posts: 15,314	As I said above, I'd trade my boring platform games for a dating sim anyday... as for the censorship... heh, you may be right, ppl don't care if we play a game on which we slay someone with a big sword... but if we play something new they think we are sick and a lot more of crap... maybe we ARE narrow minded after all...

December 18th, 2002, 04:14	#1034
Kaiser Sigma ~ Lord of Darkness ~ Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A place darker than the night. Posts: 15,314	> Oh, so all the N64 owners shouldve hated Sony because Square went exclusive with them? But I agree, Capcom becoming ENTIRELY Nintendo exclusive is bad (if that is what the Megaton Anouncement is all about). All of those Xbox and PS2 owners deprived of one of the best (IMHO) game companies out there. Don't loose my point, Squaresoft turned their back on Nintendo... but Capcom is being ACQUIRED by Nintendo, those are different matters. Which means you will never see a game of that company in a console that isn't from Nintendo... therefore that's my motivation to hate them, they deprived the world of a great company...

December 18th, 2002, 05:47	#1036
Exophase Emu author Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Cleveland OH, USA Posts: 1,437	50% is a gross exaggeration. I think you mean 18%. Buying 18% of a company's stock isn't comparable with buying a company, sorry. - Exo

December 18th, 2002, 05:48	#1037
Exophase Emu author Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Cleveland OH, USA Posts: 1,437	And Square never became Sony exclusive, this is rubbish. Just because they avoided Nintendo consoles hardly made them exclusive; has everyone forgotten their Wonder Swan Color games? They happened to not be on very friendly terms with Nintendo, you know. - Exo

December 18th, 2002, 10:01	#1039
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	Owning stock 18% of the stock however does give them a notable say in what happens to the company. Just Like Microsoft owns 24% of Sega.

December 18th, 2002, 10:38	#1040
Shiori :3 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 10,128	I was talking about the 18%, not the 50. Just FYI. __________________ My PC specs: AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.1 Ghz, ECS Elitegroup K7S5A, 256MB PC133 SDRAM, Geforce2 MX200 32MB, 20GB Seagate, Windows XP Pro. Ok, what else... Shiori figurine on top of case, assorted anime stickers on the side, lazy tabby cat on top of monitor.