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F-3582 · November 6th, 2002, 16:47

Maybe Rareware will help...

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_E_ · November 6th, 2002, 16:52

A big question is on Rareware right now. Its to be said that new games on the xbox are gonna be released by rare very soon. I think we should wait. when rare was with nintendo, it brought up some great games, even in the N64 era ( anyone remembers Cronky's Bad fur day?

). Now its with Microsoft, and with a new administration and team, we should see a change in rare's previous style

Kane, Samor, yeah, all good games come from Japan, but dont forget that MS has the potential to do its own games too,....

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**Kane** · November 6th, 2002, 17:35

One company won't shift the balance that far. Admittedly they haev Sega,but most of the sega games are Multi Platform.

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Ninjaa · November 6th, 2002, 21:46

Kingstar, as I predicted, about 25 people left Rare when they moved to Microsoft, with the majority joining Free Radical. Since they had already lost most of the Goldeneye team, what does that leave? I think that Microsoft just bought a name and little more.

As for that article posted by Samor, I am actually not that concerned. It's a well known fact that with enough evidence gathering, you can prove anything. Without proper data on how the data in the report was gathered, I am not going to trust it in the slightest. We'll see what Nintendo has to say about that. Even so, I don't consider Europe to be that great of a market. Europe is just a REALLY strange market, and nobody really knows wtf they want, although I guess that could be an absence of Japanese and American video games for so long has kind of deadened their nerve endings. Besides IIRC, many of the GCN games we enjoy here in North America haven't even been released over there yet.

Lord Kane, it's true that Nintendo hasn't really achieved their breakthrough title yet that will capault their sales higher than the PS2's, but you have to admit that the article was wrote with a kind of pre-determined air. And what they said about developer's thoughts was their own OPINION, and not those of the developers.

_E_ · November 6th, 2002, 23:40

Ninja, Believe it or not, but the Xbox sales are increasing these days and there are more demands over it. I would have posted an article to prove that for you, but i still didnt find a " 100% un debatable " article. As for now, I think the competetion will still be between GC and PS2. The Xbox , althought its supposed to be the Biggest threat to both of them, is still no made use of. Meaning that MS is not releasing kick ass, Mega hit games on it. The GC had more titles to come this christmas, as for the PS2, I need someone to enlighten me with the upcoming titles ( if there is any)......

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Ninjaa · November 6th, 2002, 23:49

Kingstar, console sales in America seem to be relatively untracked except by the manufacturers. If there is sales data anywhere, I can't find it.

As for Europe, I am not aware of anyone who knows what goes on in Europe.

(I'm sorry. I'll stop bashing Europe now)

Japan is pretty well documented though, and it shows GameCube outselling Xbox by about 4:1.

_E_ · November 6th, 2002, 23:55

Well, there is a point that should be said right now. I think Sales should be comparied on all parts of the world, not just Europe, North America and Japan. Thats just like saying, hey, there are no gamers in Asia, Australia and Africa. When I was in the middle east, there were reports on how the Dreamcast is losing in front of the PS2, while at that time, almost everyone had a dreamcast at home.and even after its death, people were just getting a dreamcast over a PS2. Maybe that doesnt make sense, but thats what happened. I think it would be more fair to compare the sales "generally" all over the world, instead of just concentrating on North America, Japan and Europe.....

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Ninjaa · November 6th, 2002, 23:58

Sorry. I forgot about Australia, Asia, and Africa.

I don't think anyone has a clue what happens in Africa. They ship a few consoles over there, and express a little surprise if any money gets sent back.

Asia, well, I think they might be figuring out how many N64's got bought/stolen/looted.

Australia, the Xbox is clearly losing. I think I remember reading somewhere recently that Australian retailers wouldn't sell an Xbox.

_E_ · November 7th, 2002, 00:06

hmm,.....As a matter of fact, I think i passed an article that states exaclty how much MS lost on the Xbox. But there are some indications that its sales are begining to increase more than before. the PS2 is still at the top, its very hard to knock it down, but nothing is impossible in real life. GC can do that if Nintendo gets more third pary support. Almost all GC games are by Nintendo. Sega games are Multi-platforms ( well , they need the money, so....

) If the GC had more RPGs, then I dont think we will ever see that statment again ( I am not refering to anyone by the way) " I bought the PS2 because all my fav RPGs are there...."

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Ninjaa · November 7th, 2002, 00:20

Yeah, I can't blame Sega for being "console agnostic". They do need the money very badly. As for 3rd party support on GameCube, I hadn't really noticed it being that deficient except in the case of Konami.

As for the RPGs, they are on the way. I just hope they get here sooner so I don't have to keep stalling.

mattybones · November 7th, 2002, 00:31

agreed ninja i hope the rpgs for gamecube do come out soon but i am starting to have my doubts about nintendo only if square would release the same games for ps2 and gamecube i would give a billon dollars out (which i do not have in what way so ever!!!) if gamecube wasnt the number one system

Syed Fawad · November 7th, 2002, 04:20

BTW Who voted for XXXBOX?

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Alias · November 7th, 2002, 07:09

lol who knos, its funny tho, some one quietly slips in and votes xbox... prolly as a joke.

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Ninjaa · November 7th, 2002, 07:12

Ok, I have always thought that being a mod would be miserable as then it wouldn't be so fun to post anymore because you would have to be a positive role model, but I actually want to be a mod whenever I see this thread. That way I could find out who this masked bandit is.

Syed Fawad · November 7th, 2002, 07:25

Mods can find out whoc voted for what? If so I need a mod who can help me

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Alias · November 7th, 2002, 10:11

lol go bribe a mod... who do you guys think is the easiest to persuade?

Seriously tho, the xbox is not ALL bad... they're getting Panzer dragoon Orta!! me so angry.

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**Kane** · November 7th, 2002, 11:03

I know the two people who voted for xBox. I was quite surprised to be honest

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Finalbuster · November 7th, 2002, 11:52

The Gc may have some good games in the horizon, but so did the n64, and look where it is now.... That's one of the reasons I kinda lost my hope on nintendo...

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Kaiser Sigma · November 7th, 2002, 13:04

Quote:

Originally posted by Samor
MS has enough money to back their console, they wont simply let it go like what sega did to the dc. And I guess it's starting to work.
I dont know if they're capable off throwing over the ps2 though. That console is SO ahead of the competition already =P

There are some things that money can't buy... ppl's love for example, MS has a big problem... ppl hates them, while it seems like a bad excuse, it's enough to send the most powerful system to hell... look at Sony's PS2... the first year featured some of the most crappy games ever, even so, ppl still supported the system. Why ? Because ppl like Sony and unless they have some major change, they will continue to support it... Just right now I'll dare to say that maybe ppl like the PS2 as much as they once liked Sega or Nintendo... the PS2 became a symbol...

IMO the PS2 has a major advantage in that point... it will take a lot from Nintendo to reach them... MS on the other way... either it will take a miracle or a $100 on each XXXBOX, in order to get into the fight...

Syed Fawad · November 7th, 2002, 14:22

OMG XXBOX gets a second vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kane tell us who is this.

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November 6th, 2002, 16:47	#81
F-3582 Back to regular business Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in Sachsen Posts: 3,258	Maybe Rareware will help... __________________ In a world without walls and fences - who needs Windows and Gates?

November 6th, 2002, 16:52	#82
_E_ Lurking Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 9,354	A big question is on Rareware right now. Its to be said that new games on the xbox are gonna be released by rare very soon. I think we should wait. when rare was with nintendo, it brought up some great games, even in the N64 era ( anyone remembers Cronky's Bad fur day? ). Now its with Microsoft, and with a new administration and team, we should see a change in rare's previous style Kane, Samor, yeah, all good games come from Japan, but dont forget that MS has the potential to do its own games too,.... __________________ -= Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always =- the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret C. Smith

November 6th, 2002, 17:35	#83
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,303	One company won't shift the balance that far. Admittedly they haev Sega,but most of the sega games are Multi Platform. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Phenom II X4, 4Gb DDR2, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 32Gb OCZ Vertex SSD, 500Gb RAID HDD, Windows 7 Home Premium Erika: (MCPC) Revo3610, Windows 7 Home Premium Kimiko: (Craptop) HP Mini 210

November 6th, 2002, 21:46	#84
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Kingstar, as I predicted, about 25 people left Rare when they moved to Microsoft, with the majority joining Free Radical. Since they had already lost most of the Goldeneye team, what does that leave? I think that Microsoft just bought a name and little more. As for that article posted by Samor, I am actually not that concerned. It's a well known fact that with enough evidence gathering, you can prove anything. Without proper data on how the data in the report was gathered, I am not going to trust it in the slightest. We'll see what Nintendo has to say about that. Even so, I don't consider Europe to be that great of a market. Europe is just a REALLY strange market, and nobody really knows wtf they want, although I guess that could be an absence of Japanese and American video games for so long has kind of deadened their nerve endings. Besides IIRC, many of the GCN games we enjoy here in North America haven't even been released over there yet. Lord Kane, it's true that Nintendo hasn't really achieved their breakthrough title yet that will capault their sales higher than the PS2's, but you have to admit that the article was wrote with a kind of pre-determined air. And what they said about developer's thoughts was their own OPINION, and not those of the developers.

November 6th, 2002, 23:40	#85
_E_ Lurking Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 9,354	Ninja, Believe it or not, but the Xbox sales are increasing these days and there are more demands over it. I would have posted an article to prove that for you, but i still didnt find a " 100% un debatable " article. As for now, I think the competetion will still be between GC and PS2. The Xbox , althought its supposed to be the Biggest threat to both of them, is still no made use of. Meaning that MS is not releasing kick ass, Mega hit games on it. The GC had more titles to come this christmas, as for the PS2, I need someone to enlighten me with the upcoming titles ( if there is any)...... __________________ -= Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always =- the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret C. Smith

November 6th, 2002, 23:49	#86
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Kingstar, console sales in America seem to be relatively untracked except by the manufacturers. If there is sales data anywhere, I can't find it. As for Europe, I am not aware of anyone who knows what goes on in Europe. (I'm sorry. I'll stop bashing Europe now) Japan is pretty well documented though, and it shows GameCube outselling Xbox by about 4:1.

November 6th, 2002, 23:55	#87
_E_ Lurking Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 9,354	Well, there is a point that should be said right now. I think Sales should be comparied on all parts of the world, not just Europe, North America and Japan. Thats just like saying, hey, there are no gamers in Asia, Australia and Africa. When I was in the middle east, there were reports on how the Dreamcast is losing in front of the PS2, while at that time, almost everyone had a dreamcast at home.and even after its death, people were just getting a dreamcast over a PS2. Maybe that doesnt make sense, but thats what happened. I think it would be more fair to compare the sales "generally" all over the world, instead of just concentrating on North America, Japan and Europe..... __________________ -= Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always =- the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret C. Smith

November 6th, 2002, 23:58	#88
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Sorry. I forgot about Australia, Asia, and Africa. I don't think anyone has a clue what happens in Africa. They ship a few consoles over there, and express a little surprise if any money gets sent back. Asia, well, I think they might be figuring out how many N64's got bought/stolen/looted. Australia, the Xbox is clearly losing. I think I remember reading somewhere recently that Australian retailers wouldn't sell an Xbox.

November 7th, 2002, 00:06	#89
_E_ Lurking Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 9,354	hmm,.....As a matter of fact, I think i passed an article that states exaclty how much MS lost on the Xbox. But there are some indications that its sales are begining to increase more than before. the PS2 is still at the top, its very hard to knock it down, but nothing is impossible in real life. GC can do that if Nintendo gets more third pary support. Almost all GC games are by Nintendo. Sega games are Multi-platforms ( well , they need the money, so.... ) If the GC had more RPGs, then I dont think we will ever see that statment again ( I am not refering to anyone by the way) " I bought the PS2 because all my fav RPGs are there...." __________________ -= Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always =- the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret C. Smith

November 7th, 2002, 00:20	#90
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Yeah, I can't blame Sega for being "console agnostic". They do need the money very badly. As for 3rd party support on GameCube, I hadn't really noticed it being that deficient except in the case of Konami. As for the RPGs, they are on the way. I just hope they get here sooner so I don't have to keep stalling.

November 7th, 2002, 00:31	#91
mattybones The Nintendo Hero Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Land where the Ps2 and gamecube live together Posts: 499	agreed ninja i hope the rpgs for gamecube do come out soon but i am starting to have my doubts about nintendo only if square would release the same games for ps2 and gamecube i would give a billon dollars out (which i do not have in what way so ever!!!) if gamecube wasnt the number one system

November 7th, 2002, 04:20	#92
Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,262	BTW Who voted for XXXBOX? __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

November 7th, 2002, 07:09	#93
Alias >_< Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 924	lol who knos, its funny tho, some one quietly slips in and votes xbox... prolly as a joke. __________________ >_<

November 7th, 2002, 07:12	#94
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Ok, I have always thought that being a mod would be miserable as then it wouldn't be so fun to post anymore because you would have to be a positive role model, but I actually want to be a mod whenever I see this thread. That way I could find out who this masked bandit is.

November 7th, 2002, 07:25	#95
Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,262	Mods can find out whoc voted for what? If so I need a mod who can help me __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"

November 7th, 2002, 10:11	#96
Alias >_< Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 924	lol go bribe a mod... who do you guys think is the easiest to persuade? Seriously tho, the xbox is not ALL bad... they're getting Panzer dragoon Orta!! me so angry. __________________ >_<

November 7th, 2002, 11:03	#97
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,303	I know the two people who voted for xBox. I was quite surprised to be honest __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Phenom II X4, 4Gb DDR2, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 32Gb OCZ Vertex SSD, 500Gb RAID HDD, Windows 7 Home Premium Erika: (MCPC) Revo3610, Windows 7 Home Premium Kimiko: (Craptop) HP Mini 210

November 7th, 2002, 11:52	#98
Finalbuster Nothing is like before. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 581	The Gc may have some good games in the horizon, but so did the n64, and look where it is now.... That's one of the reasons I kinda lost my hope on nintendo... __________________ Say yes to every opportunity that comes your way, as they may never come back.

November 7th, 2002, 14:22	#100
Syed Fawad -PM to advertise here- Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In an average country of an average planet of the solar system of an average star of an average galaxy of an average cluster. Still not average... Posts: 8,262	OMG XXBOX gets a second vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kane tell us who is this. __________________ Asus K8N (nForce3) AMD64 3000+ (754) 768MB DDR 400MHz (PC 3200) nVidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB (AGP) Aquamark3 - 53,000 "Good friends mustn't always be together. It is the feeling of oneness when distant that proves a lasting friendship"