Xenogears Problem

Kerby · October 19th, 2002, 05:11

For some reason during the attack in Lahan in the beginning of the game(and probably in the rest of the game during some scenarios) the background was all black except for the messages and the first Gear Battle. From the time I left the mountain pass to the clip before the first gear battle the background was all black. How do I fix this? Or is it suppose to be like that?

**Yeloazndevil** · October 19th, 2002, 05:12

go here for help:
Lord Kane's Domain

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Amaterasu · November 14th, 2002, 19:53

I have the same problem.. I went to his site, and I couldn't find the help that I needed.

My video card and the type of ram I use is very dated. That is the primary reason I never got past disc 1 in XG.. I just couldn't handle the black screens. My FPS rate would drop to 4 suddenly.. causing my whole system to lag.

Cless · November 15th, 2002, 00:04

dated? use peopse software, to play the sceenes i hardware you need very powerfull computer.

Quatro · November 15th, 2002, 09:27

used VRAM option...

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Ninjaa · November 15th, 2002, 09:32

Just play with the framebuffer settings until you find something that works for you. I personally like to use Full VRAM Primitives.

Amaterasu · November 15th, 2002, 18:12

I'm using Pete's DX6 D3D 1.67 plugin right now.. these are the best results I can get:

-pictures on screen, moving too.
-veery slow 10-20 FPS

I've tried toning down the graphics.. but it doesn't seem to help any. Does anyone have ideas? I only have a TNT2 vid card.

EDIT: after trying the 'fast' mode, I'm running extremely fast. Things seem 2-3x as fast as on the PSX. However, when it gets to that screen (load state) the frame rate drops to about 30-50 FPS. I can't seem to find a way around it. If I tone the graphics down too far, the normal gameplay runs too fast. If I have nominal gameplay, those scenes come to a crawl. What a sour pickle.

**Kane** · November 15th, 2002, 19:11

Enable FPS limit and set it to autodetect FPS limit.

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Amaterasu · November 16th, 2002, 18:01

Thanks for your efforts Kane, but it was set like that beforehand. Any other ideas?

**Kane** · November 16th, 2002, 20:12

Have cool at my site.

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Amaterasu · November 17th, 2002, 02:15

The only reason I joined these boards was because of this problem....

You see, I've done a few searches, and I have visited your site say.. eight times. It just doesn't seem to apply to me. I can't use the same settings you do and expect it to work. Again, I have a totally different machine.

**Kane** · November 17th, 2002, 02:50

Look if you wanna be lazy, give us your complete system spec and I'll give you the plugin config for it.

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Amaterasu · November 17th, 2002, 05:01

Actually, I'm not lazy... just incredibly ignorant. My last time using this emulator was a year ago. I'm sorry to cause you trouble.

AMD Duron 958 MHz
384 MB RAM
NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 32 MB vid card
Creative Sound Blaster Live Value!
Creative CD5230 CR-ROM (52X, and slow as hell...)

My apologies for not being ablle to navigate your site.

**Yeloazndevil** · November 17th, 2002, 05:06

Q. The game just hung for no apparent reason:
A. There is a problem with Xenogears in one particular scene: The Dream sequence. What you have to do is go to just before this sequence, press F7, and then press F7 again afterwards.

Set desktop resolution to 640x480, for best speed, but this game can be run in any resoloution without graphics problems.

Texture filtering in this game is entirely up to preference. Personally, I use 6 with Hi-Res textures for optimum image quality.

If you want full effects (Battle Swirls, burning villages, etc), you have 2 options:

Set Framebuffer textures to 2 and set Framebuffer access to 3, or
If you have FSAA on, set Framebuffer textures to 0, set Framebuffer access to 4.
Warning: These settings both need a relatively powerful machine to run, so if you experience problems, use a software plugin like E}I{'s or PEOPs.

here u go its taken form Lord Kane's Domain and the config. is for Pete's GPU plug-in

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Amaterasu · November 17th, 2002, 05:15

Quote:

If you want full effects (Battle Swirls, burning villages, etc), you have 2 options:

Set Framebuffer textures to 2 and set Framebuffer access to 3, or
If you have FSAA on, set Framebuffer textures to 0, set Framebuffer access to 4.
Warning: These settings both need a relatively powerful machine to run, so if you experience problems, use a software plugin like E}I{'s or PEOPs.

Thanks for the support.. but .. feh. I tried that. It didn't do anything. When I did a search for PEOPs plugins, I come across Pete's. I can only assume that they are one and the same.

Phoenix Flame · November 17th, 2002, 06:26

Quote:

Originally posted by Amaterasu

Thanks for the support.. but .. feh. I tried that. It didn't do anything. When I did a search for PEOPs plugins, I come across Pete's. I can only assume that they are one and the same.

Almost. Pete's Soft GPU stopped somewhere around version 1.49, after which it went open source and became known as Peops Soft GPU. It is currently at version 1.10 and is available here:

http://www.ngemu.com/psx/plugins.php?page=gpu

Amaterasu · November 18th, 2002, 01:47

Thank you for clarifying that for me. I'm using that plugin now.. and the video quality is quite horrible. With V-Sync on, it has speed problems (20 FPS) without, I experience rapid blinking.

Blinking aside, it runs somewhat fine. About 10-20 frames below what it -should- be.

So much stress over a single game.. rather amusing.

**Kane** · November 18th, 2002, 01:50

Well you could try disabling 2xSai, coz that's the only thing that'd make it run that slow, unless you whacked the rez up. Usie it in 640x480

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Phoenix Flame · November 18th, 2002, 04:29

In case you were wondering why Peops looks horrible, it's because it recreates the PSX graphics *exactly* as they were on the console.

Quatro · November 18th, 2002, 10:40

I think after the lahan attack everything will be back to normal... so when that occur, you can disable the Full VRAM option to speed your system back to normal... when those black thing again appear, use the VRAM option again...

I encounter a lot of those and I just wait until taht scene pass and go back to the normal one...

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October 19th, 2002, 05:11	#1
Kerby Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 15	Xenogears Problem For some reason during the attack in Lahan in the beginning of the game(and probably in the rest of the game during some scenarios) the background was all black except for the messages and the first Gear Battle. From the time I left the mountain pass to the clip before the first gear battle the background was all black. How do I fix this? Or is it suppose to be like that?

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October 19th, 2002, 05:12	#2
Yeloazndevil Touka <3 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 11,868	go here for help: Lord Kane's Domain __________________ Nintendo Network ID: Yeloazndevil

November 14th, 2002, 19:53	#3
Amaterasu Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7	I have the same problem.. I went to his site, and I couldn't find the help that I needed. My video card and the type of ram I use is very dated. That is the primary reason I never got past disc 1 in XG.. I just couldn't handle the black screens. My FPS rate would drop to 4 suddenly.. causing my whole system to lag.

November 15th, 2002, 00:04	#4
Cless Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,809	dated? use peopse software, to play the sceenes i hardware you need very powerfull computer.

November 15th, 2002, 09:27	#5
Quatro Just visiting ^_^ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Laguna Posts: 8,299	used VRAM option... __________________ - when you think that you have accomplish so much, many think of it as so little...

November 15th, 2002, 09:32	#6
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Just play with the framebuffer settings until you find something that works for you. I personally like to use Full VRAM Primitives.

November 15th, 2002, 18:12	#7
Amaterasu Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7	I'm using Pete's DX6 D3D 1.67 plugin right now.. these are the best results I can get: -pictures on screen, moving too. -veery slow 10-20 FPS I've tried toning down the graphics.. but it doesn't seem to help any. Does anyone have ideas? I only have a TNT2 vid card. EDIT: after trying the 'fast' mode, I'm running extremely fast. Things seem 2-3x as fast as on the PSX. However, when it gets to that screen (load state) the frame rate drops to about 30-50 FPS. I can't seem to find a way around it. If I tone the graphics down too far, the normal gameplay runs too fast. If I have nominal gameplay, those scenes come to a crawl. What a sour pickle.

November 15th, 2002, 19:11	#8
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,303	Enable FPS limit and set it to autodetect FPS limit. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Phenom II X4, 4Gb DDR2, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 32Gb OCZ Vertex SSD, 500Gb RAID HDD, Windows 7 Home Premium Erika: (MCPC) Revo3610, Windows 7 Home Premium Kimiko: (Craptop) HP Mini 210

November 16th, 2002, 18:01	#9
Amaterasu Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7	Thanks for your efforts Kane, but it was set like that beforehand. Any other ideas?

November 16th, 2002, 20:12	#10
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,303	Have cool at my site. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Phenom II X4, 4Gb DDR2, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 32Gb OCZ Vertex SSD, 500Gb RAID HDD, Windows 7 Home Premium Erika: (MCPC) Revo3610, Windows 7 Home Premium Kimiko: (Craptop) HP Mini 210

November 17th, 2002, 02:15	#11
Amaterasu Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7	The only reason I joined these boards was because of this problem.... You see, I've done a few searches, and I have visited your site say.. eight times. It just doesn't seem to apply to me. I can't use the same settings you do and expect it to work. Again, I have a totally different machine.

November 17th, 2002, 02:50	#12
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,303	Look if you wanna be lazy, give us your complete system spec and I'll give you the plugin config for it. __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Phenom II X4, 4Gb DDR2, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 32Gb OCZ Vertex SSD, 500Gb RAID HDD, Windows 7 Home Premium Erika: (MCPC) Revo3610, Windows 7 Home Premium Kimiko: (Craptop) HP Mini 210

November 17th, 2002, 05:01	#13
Amaterasu Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7	Actually, I'm not lazy... just incredibly ignorant. My last time using this emulator was a year ago. I'm sorry to cause you trouble. AMD Duron 958 MHz 384 MB RAM NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 32 MB vid card Creative Sound Blaster Live Value! Creative CD5230 CR-ROM (52X, and slow as hell...) My apologies for not being ablle to navigate your site.

November 17th, 2002, 05:06	#14
Yeloazndevil Touka <3 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 11,868	Q. The game just hung for no apparent reason: A. There is a problem with Xenogears in one particular scene: The Dream sequence. What you have to do is go to just before this sequence, press F7, and then press F7 again afterwards. Set desktop resolution to 640x480, for best speed, but this game can be run in any resoloution without graphics problems. Texture filtering in this game is entirely up to preference. Personally, I use 6 with Hi-Res textures for optimum image quality. If you want full effects (Battle Swirls, burning villages, etc), you have 2 options: Set Framebuffer textures to 2 and set Framebuffer access to 3, or If you have FSAA on, set Framebuffer textures to 0, set Framebuffer access to 4. Warning: These settings both need a relatively powerful machine to run, so if you experience problems, use a software plugin like E}I{'s or PEOPs. here u go its taken form Lord Kane's Domain and the config. is for Pete's GPU plug-in __________________ Nintendo Network ID: Yeloazndevil

November 18th, 2002, 01:47	#17
Amaterasu Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7	Thank you for clarifying that for me. I'm using that plugin now.. and the video quality is quite horrible. With V-Sync on, it has speed problems (20 FPS) without, I experience rapid blinking. Blinking aside, it runs somewhat fine. About 10-20 frames below what it -should- be. So much stress over a single game.. rather amusing.

November 18th, 2002, 01:50	#18
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,303	Well you could try disabling 2xSai, coz that's the only thing that'd make it run that slow, unless you whacked the rez up. Usie it in 640x480 __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Phenom II X4, 4Gb DDR2, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 32Gb OCZ Vertex SSD, 500Gb RAID HDD, Windows 7 Home Premium Erika: (MCPC) Revo3610, Windows 7 Home Premium Kimiko: (Craptop) HP Mini 210

November 18th, 2002, 04:29	#19
Phoenix Flame Flood Yourself Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,349	In case you were wondering why Peops looks horrible, it's because it recreates the PSX graphics exactly as they were on the console.

November 18th, 2002, 10:40	#20
Quatro Just visiting ^_^ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Laguna Posts: 8,299	I think after the lahan attack everything will be back to normal... so when that occur, you can disable the Full VRAM option to speed your system back to normal... when those black thing again appear, use the VRAM option again... I encounter a lot of those and I just wait until taht scene pass and go back to the normal one... __________________ - when you think that you have accomplish so much, many think of it as so little...