General warning about E-machines...

Koji2009 · October 12th, 2002, 22:14

Don't get them... My neighbors bought a AMD 1700 128ram S3 16meg....

It runs at a slower speed then my 800mhz 256ram Geforce2 MX400 64meg... and not just in 3D... but in everything (I will put up benchmarks later if I can find my copy of 3Dmax)

I've heard bad about emachines before but this is just plain sad (it can't play GBA games full speed without a frameskip of 3)

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**cooliscool** · October 12th, 2002, 22:53

Yep, that's so true. E-machines are pure crap. The poor man's pc (or the one who cant build one

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Koji2009 · October 12th, 2002, 23:04

I wouldn't call it a poor man's PC as my PC cost less (about $500 a year and 1/2 ago) and they just bought this PC yesterday for 600...

For anyone wanting to buy a new PC... I recommend the custom PC shops found in california (they are cheap and very well built PCs) the only problem is if you don't live in california you have to get them to ship it to you (probably about $20 or so in shipping)

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October 12th, 2002, 23:05

I must say agree. Where my wife worked, the teacher had gotten an E-Machines PC. I did not care for that machine at all. In fact, it almost soured me on WIN XP. I would reccomend to leave E-Machines strictly alone.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

October 12th, 2002, 23:17

Seriously tho. Building a PC isn't any harder than building a an assemble it yourself bike. Just follow the instructions. Everything is pretty much "plug it in and go" nowadays anyway.

Koji2009 · October 12th, 2002, 23:27

Yeah not like back in the day... had to mess with those damn jumpers (they never went where they were supposed to the first time...)

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October 12th, 2002, 23:35

I never really thought the jumpers were very hard to understand. The only sucky part about older PCs was manually setting the multiplier

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Koji2009 · October 12th, 2002, 23:39

Didn't like thinking all mathlike? The jumpers weren't hard to figure out... just hard to get the little bastards on the pins they were supposed to be.

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**Betamax** · October 12th, 2002, 23:58

Well my fav gripe from back then was simm sockets. Insert the chips at a 45 degree angle to the mobo, damn that was frustrating.

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Esturk · October 13th, 2002, 00:37

People are just getting lazier these days. Setting jumpers and multipliers actually required one to think a little. Before Plug and Play you actually had to install drivers and set IRQ's and DMA's. Don't have to that anymore do we? Most new computers are ready to go right out of the box. That is unless you build it yourself. Try installing and mounting a 40Mb RLL Hard Disk in an Amiga 2000.... It's a real b*tch if you don't know what you're doing....

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Koji2009 · October 13th, 2002, 01:35

Well if you get a boxed pc chances are you still have problems double clicking things... I know I wanna work at a PC place just so I can mock those that cannot double click... muwhahahahaha

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**cooliscool** · October 13th, 2002, 01:58

For the record, i'd never buy a pre-built PC. Only pre-built one i've had is a Packard Bell P75, 8mb ram, 1mb video, ISA sound. I've built all my systems since then. The one you see in my sig, the Celeron 1000, the P3 1133a, and a few others. As soon as I get my parents to get me the Duron 1.3ghz with the Mobo, that'll be another system i've put together. Besides, putting a pc together is easy nowadays. :nod2:

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Ninjaa · October 13th, 2002, 02:32

Betamax, I actually liked the SIMMs. They are a hell of a lot easier to get in than a DIMM in my experience. DIMMs require a lot more pressure.

Relating to jumpers though.... I spent a good year looking for a jumper diagram for my motherboard so I could clock my CPU at 233MHz. (I had replaced the old Pentium 120 CPU, and couldn't figure out how to clock it at 233, so I just left it at 120 until I could find a diagram)

As for emachines, yes they are indeed crap.

RF · October 13th, 2002, 02:45

Quote:

Originally posted by cooliscool
Yep, that's so true. E-machines are pure crap. The poor man's pc (or the one who cant build one )

I would have to say buck-a-day company is the poor mans pc. They are just sad, but yea, E-machines are right there with em.

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**Kane** · October 13th, 2002, 02:53

I might buy the pre-built machine I saw on slashdot. This micro PC is about the size of the amp taht comes with the creative top of th rang speakers....

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Gamer1 · October 13th, 2002, 09:15

i currently use an emachine. bought it december 2000 for $400 (includes moniter!!!), 633 celeron, and a super crappy intel integrated vid card. (recently changed the vid card to a voodoo 3 3000 pci) that god damn emachine doesn't even come with an agp slot!!!

its pure crap. and built towards lower end users (people that uses the comp for word docs, listening to mp3s, email, p2p, and doing basic stuff, and strictly not for gaming. you could call it your sister's/ mom's/ dad's pc)

but for the price, its pretty good. if you are just gonna use it for "office oriented" appz

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Drack · October 13th, 2002, 09:25

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisRay
Seriously tho. Building a PC isn't any harder than building a an assemble it yourself bike. Just follow the instructions. Everything is pretty much "plug it in and go" nowadays anyway.

True, but it takes alot of time/effort to buy/assemble all the parts. Lots of guys I know can put together PC's but they just buy them pre-assembled just so they don't have to go through the all the trouble of doing it themselfs.

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Carnage · October 13th, 2002, 09:25

Uhh...don't call me an idot for this but...what is an Emachine???

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RF · October 13th, 2002, 18:46

Quote:

Originally posted by Carnage
Uhh...don't call me an idot for this but...what is an Emachine???

If you dont know, dont care. In this case you dont wanna know.

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Esturk · October 13th, 2002, 18:56

Quote:

Originally posted by Carnage
Uhh...don't call me an idot for this but...what is an Emachine???

I believe E-Machines are made by a company called Gateway.

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October 12th, 2002, 22:14	#1
Koji2009 Don't make me stab you... Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wherever my shiny sword takes me. Posts: 338	General warning about E-machines... Don't get them... My neighbors bought a AMD 1700 128ram S3 16meg.... It runs at a slower speed then my 800mhz 256ram Geforce2 MX400 64meg... and not just in 3D... but in everything (I will put up benchmarks later if I can find my copy of 3Dmax) I've heard bad about emachines before but this is just plain sad (it can't play GBA games full speed without a frameskip of 3) __________________ As I meander about my life I wonder if it's all worth it... Then I see my huge anime collection in the corner and I know it was not all in vain. -Writing crappy books and crappy drawings... what better to do with that free time then blow it here instead?

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October 12th, 2002, 22:53	#2
cooliscool Global Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: SC, USA Posts: 7,231	Yep, that's so true. E-machines are pure crap. The poor man's pc (or the one who cant build one ) __________________

October 12th, 2002, 23:04	#3
Koji2009 Don't make me stab you... Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wherever my shiny sword takes me. Posts: 338	I wouldn't call it a poor man's PC as my PC cost less (about $500 a year and 1/2 ago) and they just bought this PC yesterday for 600... For anyone wanting to buy a new PC... I recommend the custom PC shops found in california (they are cheap and very well built PCs) the only problem is if you don't live in california you have to get them to ship it to you (probably about $20 or so in shipping) __________________ As I meander about my life I wonder if it's all worth it... Then I see my huge anime collection in the corner and I know it was not all in vain. -Writing crappy books and crappy drawings... what better to do with that free time then blow it here instead?

October 12th, 2002, 23:05	#4
sxamiga Guest Posts: n/a	I must say agree. Where my wife worked, the teacher had gotten an E-Machines PC. I did not care for that machine at all. In fact, it almost soured me on WIN XP. I would reccomend to leave E-Machines strictly alone. sincerely, sx/amiga

October 12th, 2002, 23:17	#5
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	Seriously tho. Building a PC isn't any harder than building a an assemble it yourself bike. Just follow the instructions. Everything is pretty much "plug it in and go" nowadays anyway.

October 12th, 2002, 23:27	#6
Koji2009 Don't make me stab you... Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wherever my shiny sword takes me. Posts: 338	Yeah not like back in the day... had to mess with those damn jumpers (they never went where they were supposed to the first time...) __________________ As I meander about my life I wonder if it's all worth it... Then I see my huge anime collection in the corner and I know it was not all in vain. -Writing crappy books and crappy drawings... what better to do with that free time then blow it here instead?

October 12th, 2002, 23:35	#7
ChrisRay Guest Posts: n/a	I never really thought the jumpers were very hard to understand. The only sucky part about older PCs was manually setting the multiplier (

October 12th, 2002, 23:39	#8
Koji2009 Don't make me stab you... Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wherever my shiny sword takes me. Posts: 338	Didn't like thinking all mathlike? The jumpers weren't hard to figure out... just hard to get the little bastards on the pins they were supposed to be. __________________ As I meander about my life I wonder if it's all worth it... Then I see my huge anime collection in the corner and I know it was not all in vain. -Writing crappy books and crappy drawings... what better to do with that free time then blow it here instead?

October 12th, 2002, 23:58	#9
Betamax Resident Movie Critic Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland Posts: 9,506	Well my fav gripe from back then was simm sockets. Insert the chips at a 45 degree angle to the mobo, damn that was frustrating. __________________ Superior marketing of an inferior product will always win over inferior marketing of a superior product.

October 13th, 2002, 00:37	#10
Esturk Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 6,964	People are just getting lazier these days. Setting jumpers and multipliers actually required one to think a little. Before Plug and Play you actually had to install drivers and set IRQ's and DMA's. Don't have to that anymore do we? Most new computers are ready to go right out of the box. That is unless you build it yourself. Try installing and mounting a 40Mb RLL Hard Disk in an Amiga 2000.... It's a real btch if you don't know what you're doing.... __________________ Necrosaro:* Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Edition SP1 \| Intel Core i5 2500K - 3.30GHz, 8MB L3 Cache \| Asus P8P67 Deluxe, Intel P67 Chipset, Socket 1155 \| 8GB Kingston PC3-10600 DDR3 \| Nvidia GeForce GTX460, 1024MB \| Creative SB X-Fi Fatality Edition \| Western Digital Raptor WD1500HLFS, 150Gb, SATA, Western Digital WD1001FALS, 1000GB, SATA \| LG 16x DVD-RWx2 SATA.

October 13th, 2002, 01:35	#11
Koji2009 Don't make me stab you... Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wherever my shiny sword takes me. Posts: 338	Well if you get a boxed pc chances are you still have problems double clicking things... I know I wanna work at a PC place just so I can mock those that cannot double click... muwhahahahaha __________________ As I meander about my life I wonder if it's all worth it... Then I see my huge anime collection in the corner and I know it was not all in vain. -Writing crappy books and crappy drawings... what better to do with that free time then blow it here instead?

October 13th, 2002, 01:58	#12
cooliscool Global Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: SC, USA Posts: 7,231	For the record, i'd never buy a pre-built PC. Only pre-built one i've had is a Packard Bell P75, 8mb ram, 1mb video, ISA sound. I've built all my systems since then. The one you see in my sig, the Celeron 1000, the P3 1133a, and a few others. As soon as I get my parents to get me the Duron 1.3ghz with the Mobo, that'll be another system i've put together. Besides, putting a pc together is easy nowadays. :nod2: __________________

October 13th, 2002, 02:32	#13
Ninjaa Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 7,778	Betamax, I actually liked the SIMMs. They are a hell of a lot easier to get in than a DIMM in my experience. DIMMs require a lot more pressure. Relating to jumpers though.... I spent a good year looking for a jumper diagram for my motherboard so I could clock my CPU at 233MHz. (I had replaced the old Pentium 120 CPU, and couldn't figure out how to clock it at 233, so I just left it at 120 until I could find a diagram) As for emachines, yes they are indeed crap.

October 13th, 2002, 02:53	#15
Kane 邪魔ゎ指せない Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Gosport, England Posts: 26,303	I might buy the pre-built machine I saw on slashdot. This micro PC is about the size of the amp taht comes with the creative top of th rang speakers.... __________________ >Site Live< Pop over to my site for help with setting up PSX emulators. Help for the Final Fantasies and other RPGs avalaible Celes: (Desktop) Phenom II X4, 4Gb DDR2, GeForce 8800 GTS 320Mb, 32Gb OCZ Vertex SSD, 500Gb RAID HDD, Windows 7 Home Premium Erika: (MCPC) Revo3610, Windows 7 Home Premium Kimiko: (Craptop) HP Mini 210

October 13th, 2002, 09:15	#16
Gamer1 Anti-Brand Loyalist Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Its too dark to tell... Posts: 3,241	i currently use an emachine. bought it december 2000 for $400 (includes moniter!!!), 633 celeron, and a super crappy intel integrated vid card. (recently changed the vid card to a voodoo 3 3000 pci) that god damn emachine doesn't even come with an agp slot!!! its pure crap. and built towards lower end users (people that uses the comp for word docs, listening to mp3s, email, p2p, and doing basic stuff, and strictly not for gaming. you could call it your sister's/ mom's/ dad's pc) but for the price, its pretty good. if you are just gonna use it for "office oriented" appz __________________ Iris: (Proc:Intel Pentium4 2.8Ghz w/ HT UNLOCKED @ 15x200) (Mobo: Asus P4C800-E) (RAM: Corsair XMS 2x512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: Lite-On 16x DVD Burner 1673S) (GFX Card: Radeon 9800 All-In-Wonder Pro 128MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy) Morrigan: (Proc:AMD Athlon 2500+ @ 11x200) (Mobo: Asrock K7V88) (RAM: Corsair XMS 512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: NEC 16x DVD Burner 3200AG) (GFX Card: Radeon 920064MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Live! 5.1)

October 13th, 2002, 09:25	#18
Carnage Illusion's play Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: In a world of lies Posts: 3,705	Uhh...don't call me an idot for this but...what is an Emachine??? __________________ Member of the " Pessimists Club " Visit my personal Doom project (music,not the game) at Lament Of Suffering