FFIX with Geforce and Voodoo shots

Breekan22 · August 10th, 2002, 18:06

Can anyone show two pictures of the same thing in both Pete's plugin and Lewpy's one for GeForce? I am deciding whether to get a GeForce or a Voodoo card and it will affect other games in the future, but I want to contrast this between the two plugins. If anyone can post screenshots that can be examined for comparison I would appreciate it.

Breekan22 · August 10th, 2002, 18:17

Also, would it be best (if GeForce was better) to use Pete's D3D or Pete's DX6 D3D?

F-3582 · August 10th, 2002, 19:48

With a GeForce: Pete's OGL.
BTW: GeForce is better! Trust me!

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Breekan22 · August 10th, 2002, 20:04

Which settings are optimal?

S.SubZero · August 10th, 2002, 20:40

...hold on, you are actually debating "getting" a voodoo card? WHY? You'd essentially be locking yourself into just a limited selection of software that will run on it, let alone run well. Already new games have come out that simply don't like Voodoo cards. A GF4 Ti4200 can be had on Pricewatch for $135 or less, and you'll be well-off for a while.

The graphichs quality absolutely should not be the end-all deciding factor for you. Yeah, the Glide plugin can produce *mildly* better results, but at the expense of a video card that won't go any farther.

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August 11th, 2002, 08:18

a Voodoo card does do FSAA better than GForce cards do. fivefeet8 has shown this many times. But you can achieve excellent FSAA results w/a GForce card if you work at it. Also, as S.SubZero said, Voodoo is going no farther. That is because Nvidia bought them out and did away w/the Voodoo cards, once and for all. So Voodoo is dead, gone, history. Your best would be a GForce Card and the best GPU plugin to use would be Pete's OGL. That should give you nice clear graphics.
sincerely,
sx/amiga

**Lewpy** · August 11th, 2002, 16:29

Even I have not recommended buying Voodoo cards since 3dfx's demise.
There are two scenarios I can see as reason to buy one:-

Scenario A
1) You have money to burn
2) You buy a PCI Voodoo5
3) You have a spare monitor, or dual-input main monitor
4) You run it as a secondary display to your main, modern AGP card

Scenario B
1) You have literally no money to spend
2) They are the only cards you can find in your budget, and they are better than what you already have

**Zephon** · August 11th, 2002, 19:02

Actually, the Voodoo5 is great for emulation. If you plan to stick only with PSX emus, I say that the Voodoo5 is a great choice (see fivefeet8's screenshots with Lewpy's plugin + 4xFSAA). However, this card won't be able to play newer games, and will suffer of serious performance problems if you try to run any heavier game. If you have enough money, I say get a Geforce in your AGP slot and a Voodoo5 PCI.

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S.SubZero · August 11th, 2002, 19:33

A PSX (even a modded one) costs less than a Voodoo5, and is a complete gaming system.

The issue here isn't "what's good for emulation".. You aren't going to say "Voodoo5 is the best thing ever in the history of the world to happen to any emulator ever, and any other card is such absolutely unreliable unusable inferior junk that I give them to my dogs as chew toys".. When we say "Glide does it better" we mean MARGINALLY better. MARGINALLY as in "If someone told me the V5 does good emulation and that's ALL it does, and a GF4 does *almost* as good emulation (like, 99.99994% as good) but will also run pretty much any game for the PC slated to come out in the next 18 months" then I would snap that V5 with my own two hands. FSAA is absolutely not the only reason to get a Voodoo card, and I would not like to see people buying Voodoo cards and then realizing later that they can't do anything else with them except play old PSX games. Voodoo cards are NOT a future-proofed investment.

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Ultragunner · August 11th, 2002, 19:41

sadly, getting a voodoo card nowadays isn't the right thing to do. as newer PC games come out, the voodoo series are left out. although you may find that nothing beats the superior FSAA of these cards, still getting a geforce 2 would be your best bet.

take my case, Scenario A as stated by Lewpy.

i really bought the card because i am a fanatic and i miss very much glide.

times change though, as i recently bought a geforce 4 ti 4200 to cope up with compatibility issues with newer PC games. (i know the games of today run with the voodoo 5, but you will find how to make it work and trust me, it's not worth it.)

in other words, go get an ATI Radeon or a Geforce 2.

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**fivefeet8** · August 11th, 2002, 20:24

I agree with Lewpy and Zephon.. If your gonna be mainly using your graphics card for psx emulation or N64 emulation, then yeah, a voodoo 5 would be nice.. But only the voodoo 5 pci is worth buying because it allows you to in the future when you start wanting to play newer pc games, to get a Modern agp graphics card.. If you want to be able to play psx games and future PC games now, then get newer graphics cards like the geforce 2, 3, or 4, or the Radeon's..

BTW.. The quality of the voodoo 5's FSAA and graphic quality is noticeably better.. If want to see some shots of FF9 then check the screenshots section.. There is more than enough of them there running on different graphics cards..

I have both an agp geforce 4 ti 4600 and a voodoo 5 5500 pci.. My voodoo 5 5500 pci gets used more simply because I mostly play emulated games, but I am relieved to know that my geforce 4 will be able to let me play future PC games as well.. But I don't use it much.. Hmm.. Maybe I should sell it since I am not into PC games that much at the moment..

One more thing to remember is this: the cpu that you pair your video card with also determines the video performance you will get..

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Sanhime · August 12th, 2002, 03:07

LONG LIVE 3DFX!

MasterYoshidino · August 12th, 2002, 05:56

ok ppl i have no voodoo card but i do have this top of the line geforce4 card heres some pics and a setup text stuff for those who care
System Info:
Intel Pentium4 1.8GHz Northwood (A)
Visiontek Geforce4 Ti4600 (30.82 driver)
OCZ DDR-SDRAM 3200 256MB
Via P4PB-400 Mainboard

Graphics Setup:
(note i am using 4x Full screen antialiasing)
Plugin: Pete's OpenGL Driver 1.1.64
Author: Pete Bernert
Card vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
GFX card: GeForce4 Ti 4600/AGP/SSE2

Resolution/Color:
- 1024x768 Fullscreen - Desktop changing [16 Bit]
- Keep psx aspect ratio: off

Textures:
- R8G8A8A8
- Filtering: 5 - edge clamping supported
- Hi-Res textures: off
- Palettized tex windows: on
- Garbage collection: off
- VRam size: 128 MBytes - 196 textures usable

Framerate:
- FPS limitation: on
- Frame skipping: off
- FPS limit: Auto

Compatibility:
- Offscreen drawing: 2
- Framebuffer texture: 3
- Framebuffer access: 0
- Alpha multipass: on
- Mask bit: on
- Advanced blending: on (hardware)
- Subtractive blending: activated

Misc:
- Scanlines: off
- Line mode: off
- Unfiltered FB: off
- Dithering: off
- Screen smoothing: on - supported
- Game fixes: off [00000000]

'look ma no jaggies

'

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MY SPECS
P4 1.8A @ 2.41 GHZ ; 256 DDR 333MHz
GeForce4 Ti4600 (300/650)
Via P4PB 400 Motherboard

MasterYoshidino · August 13th, 2002, 07:03

for those that want pci card screenies
heres the url
[btw u must be wondering how i brought up a dead or un listed thread :P hehe i know how cuz my clan site has the same forum proggie and i know theres only one way to delete a thread and thats to clear the HDD of the forum lol )

http://www.ngemu.com/forums/showthre...threadid=14110
thats all

check out www.nattas.org/forum
and you will see what i mean

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If you like psx games and/or quake iii arena visit my site lol

here are my recommended ePSXe settings

Also known by the handle
[NaTTaS]Yoshi

Yoshi's version of the BFG10K is the RAILGUN!

MY SPECS
P4 1.8A @ 2.41 GHZ ; 256 DDR 333MHz
GeForce4 Ti4600 (300/650)
Via P4PB 400 Motherboard

F-3582 · August 13th, 2002, 14:27

Master Yoshidino...
You didn't cheat, did you?!?

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(F)ragnarok(F) · August 13th, 2002, 17:35

how much do those cards cost?

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MasterYoshidino · August 13th, 2002, 19:24

nope this is an old save data [i have bad armor fyi since i sold some to get moola lol] from my console times
you outta check out the time i spent playing ff10 LOL [over 150 hrs and still no clear sphere ;p]
dont play psx much other than to stress my system to see if my overclocking is stable :P

a ti4600 costs about 400 dollars
ti4400 costs 250
ti4200 costs 200
radeon 8500 costs 150
as for the old school cards i seen them as low as 10 dollars :P

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here are my recommended ePSXe settings

Also known by the handle
[NaTTaS]Yoshi

Yoshi's version of the BFG10K is the RAILGUN!

MY SPECS
P4 1.8A @ 2.41 GHZ ; 256 DDR 333MHz
GeForce4 Ti4600 (300/650)
Via P4PB 400 Motherboard

F-3582 · August 13th, 2002, 19:37

I thought so, because you seemed to have all those neat super-weapons a bit early...

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**fivefeet8** · August 13th, 2002, 20:01

Quote:

Originally posted by F-3582
Master Yoshidino...
You didn't cheat, did you?!?

If your refering to the shots in the link he gave, then those were my shots... I didn't use cheats, but I downloaded a gamesave from gamefaqs that lets you start the game with all items..

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(F)ragnarok(F) · August 14th, 2002, 04:34

i want to get another video card in the future (since as u can see mine's ancient). which one do u recommend? n y is ti4600's price nearly doubles ti4400's?

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August 10th, 2002, 18:06	#1
Breekan22 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5	FFIX with Geforce and Voodoo shots Can anyone show two pictures of the same thing in both Pete's plugin and Lewpy's one for GeForce? I am deciding whether to get a GeForce or a Voodoo card and it will affect other games in the future, but I want to contrast this between the two plugins. If anyone can post screenshots that can be examined for comparison I would appreciate it.

August 10th, 2002, 20:04	#4
Breekan22 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5	Ah Which settings are optimal?

August 12th, 2002, 05:56	#13
MasterYoshidino [NaTTaS]Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 122	heres some pics with geforce4 ti4600 ok ppl i have no voodoo card but i do have this top of the line geforce4 card heres some pics and a setup text stuff for those who care System Info: Intel Pentium4 1.8GHz Northwood (A) Visiontek Geforce4 Ti4600 (30.82 driver) OCZ DDR-SDRAM 3200 256MB Via P4PB-400 Mainboard Graphics Setup: (note i am using 4x Full screen antialiasing) Plugin: Pete's OpenGL Driver 1.1.64 Author: Pete Bernert Card vendor: NVIDIA Corporation GFX card: GeForce4 Ti 4600/AGP/SSE2 Resolution/Color: - 1024x768 Fullscreen - Desktop changing [16 Bit] - Keep psx aspect ratio: off Textures: - R8G8A8A8 - Filtering: 5 - edge clamping supported - Hi-Res textures: off - Palettized tex windows: on - Garbage collection: off - VRam size: 128 MBytes - 196 textures usable Framerate: - FPS limitation: on - Frame skipping: off - FPS limit: Auto Compatibility: - Offscreen drawing: 2 - Framebuffer texture: 3 - Framebuffer access: 0 - Alpha multipass: on - Mask bit: on - Advanced blending: on (hardware) - Subtractive blending: activated Misc: - Scanlines: off - Line mode: off - Unfiltered FB: off - Dithering: off - Screen smoothing: on - supported - Game fixes: off [00000000] 'look ma no jaggies ' __________________ If you like psx games and/or quake iii arena visit my site lol here are my recommended ePSXe settings Also known by the handle [NaTTaS]Yoshi Yoshi's version of the BFG10K is the RAILGUN! MY SPECS P4 1.8A @ 2.41 GHZ ; 256 DDR 333MHz GeForce4 Ti4600 (300/650) Via P4PB 400 Motherboard

August 13th, 2002, 07:03	#14
MasterYoshidino [NaTTaS]Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 122	:P for those that want pci card screenies heres the url [btw u must be wondering how i brought up a dead or un listed thread :P hehe i know how cuz my clan site has the same forum proggie and i know theres only one way to delete a thread and thats to clear the HDD of the forum lol ) http://www.ngemu.com/forums/showthre...threadid=14110 thats all check out www.nattas.org/forum and you will see what i mean __________________ If you like psx games and/or quake iii arena visit my site lol here are my recommended ePSXe settings Also known by the handle [NaTTaS]Yoshi Yoshi's version of the BFG10K is the RAILGUN! MY SPECS P4 1.8A @ 2.41 GHZ ; 256 DDR 333MHz GeForce4 Ti4600 (300/650) Via P4PB 400 Motherboard

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August 10th, 2002, 18:17	#2
Breekan22 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5	Also, would it be best (if GeForce was better) to use Pete's D3D or Pete's DX6 D3D?

August 10th, 2002, 19:48	#3
F-3582 Back to regular business Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in Sachsen Posts: 3,258	With a GeForce: Pete's OGL. BTW: GeForce is better! Trust me! __________________ In a world without walls and fences - who needs Windows and Gates?

August 10th, 2002, 20:40	#5
S.SubZero Windows 8 Pro Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 1,144	...hold on, you are actually debating "getting" a voodoo card? WHY? You'd essentially be locking yourself into just a limited selection of software that will run on it, let alone run well. Already new games have come out that simply don't like Voodoo cards. A GF4 Ti4200 can be had on Pricewatch for $135 or less, and you'll be well-off for a while. The graphichs quality absolutely should not be the end-all deciding factor for you. Yeah, the Glide plugin can produce mildly better results, but at the expense of a video card that won't go any farther. __________________ -SSZ

August 11th, 2002, 08:18	#6
sxamiga Guest Posts: n/a	a Voodoo card does do FSAA better than GForce cards do. fivefeet8 has shown this many times. But you can achieve excellent FSAA results w/a GForce card if you work at it. Also, as S.SubZero said, Voodoo is going no farther. That is because Nvidia bought them out and did away w/the Voodoo cards, once and for all. So Voodoo is dead, gone, history. Your best would be a GForce Card and the best GPU plugin to use would be Pete's OGL. That should give you nice clear graphics. sincerely, sx/amiga

August 11th, 2002, 16:29	#7
Lewpy Emu author Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Southern England Posts: 520	Even I have not recommended buying Voodoo cards since 3dfx's demise. There are two scenarios I can see as reason to buy one:- Scenario A 1) You have money to burn 2) You buy a PCI Voodoo5 3) You have a spare monitor, or dual-input main monitor 4) You run it as a secondary display to your main, modern AGP card Scenario B 1) You have literally no money to spend 2) They are the only cards you can find in your budget, and they are better than what you already have

August 11th, 2002, 19:02	#8
Zephon Key To The Universe Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Stratosphere Posts: 2,712	Actually, the Voodoo5 is great for emulation. If you plan to stick only with PSX emus, I say that the Voodoo5 is a great choice (see fivefeet8's screenshots with Lewpy's plugin + 4xFSAA). However, this card won't be able to play newer games, and will suffer of serious performance problems if you try to run any heavier game. If you have enough money, I say get a Geforce in your AGP slot and a Voodoo5 PCI. __________________ But there is someone who remembers you Someone waiting for a sign that leads the way to you There is someone who will die for you Keep that in mind when the hope fails

August 11th, 2002, 19:33	#9
S.SubZero Windows 8 Pro Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 1,144	A PSX (even a modded one) costs less than a Voodoo5, and is a complete gaming system. The issue here isn't "what's good for emulation".. You aren't going to say "Voodoo5 is the best thing ever in the history of the world to happen to any emulator ever, and any other card is such absolutely unreliable unusable inferior junk that I give them to my dogs as chew toys".. When we say "Glide does it better" we mean MARGINALLY better. MARGINALLY as in "If someone told me the V5 does good emulation and that's ALL it does, and a GF4 does almost as good emulation (like, 99.99994% as good) but will also run pretty much any game for the PC slated to come out in the next 18 months" then I would snap that V5 with my own two hands. FSAA is absolutely not the only reason to get a Voodoo card, and I would not like to see people buying Voodoo cards and then realizing later that they can't do anything else with them except play old PSX games. Voodoo cards are NOT a future-proofed investment. __________________ -SSZ

August 11th, 2002, 19:41	#10
Ultragunner Trans-Am Mode Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 998	sadly, getting a voodoo card nowadays isn't the right thing to do. as newer PC games come out, the voodoo series are left out. although you may find that nothing beats the superior FSAA of these cards, still getting a geforce 2 would be your best bet. take my case, Scenario A as stated by Lewpy. i really bought the card because i am a fanatic and i miss very much glide. times change though, as i recently bought a geforce 4 ti 4200 to cope up with compatibility issues with newer PC games. (i know the games of today run with the voodoo 5, but you will find how to make it work and trust me, it's not worth it.) in other words, go get an ATI Radeon or a Geforce 2. __________________ PC Specs:

August 11th, 2002, 20:24	#11
fivefeet8 &-)---\|--< Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Smallville Posts: 8,058	I agree with Lewpy and Zephon.. If your gonna be mainly using your graphics card for psx emulation or N64 emulation, then yeah, a voodoo 5 would be nice.. But only the voodoo 5 pci is worth buying because it allows you to in the future when you start wanting to play newer pc games, to get a Modern agp graphics card.. If you want to be able to play psx games and future PC games now, then get newer graphics cards like the geforce 2, 3, or 4, or the Radeon's.. BTW.. The quality of the voodoo 5's FSAA and graphic quality is noticeably better.. If want to see some shots of FF9 then check the screenshots section.. There is more than enough of them there running on different graphics cards.. I have both an agp geforce 4 ti 4600 and a voodoo 5 5500 pci.. My voodoo 5 5500 pci gets used more simply because I mostly play emulated games, but I am relieved to know that my geforce 4 will be able to let me play future PC games as well.. But I don't use it much.. Hmm.. Maybe I should sell it since I am not into PC games that much at the moment.. One more thing to remember is this: the cpu that you pair your video card with also determines the video performance you will get.. __________________ Play emulated games online Main Rig\|\|Intel i7 2600k @4.4 ghz\|2x4 gb DDR3 1600\|Asrock Extreme7 Gen3\|EVGA GTX670 2GB\|EVGA GTX460 PhysX\|2x Seagate 160gb SATA150 Raid0\|250 gb Samsung SATA2 HD\| OCZ 240GB SSD SATA3 \|NEC 3520 4x/8x DVD+R/RW DL burner\|Rosewill 1000 Watt\|40" Sony Bravia 1080p\|Logitec 5.1 Speaker System w/10" Sub\|Windows 7 64bit Ultimate\|\| SimplyBuyIt - Health&Nutrition Last edited by fivefeet8; August 11th, 2002 at 20:31..

August 12th, 2002, 03:07	#12
Sanhime Banned Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sacred Ground, NYC, USA Posts: 873	LONG LIVE 3DFX!

August 13th, 2002, 14:27	#15
F-3582 Back to regular business Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in Sachsen Posts: 3,258	Master Yoshidino... You didn't cheat, did you?!? __________________ In a world without walls and fences - who needs Windows and Gates?

August 13th, 2002, 17:35	#16
(F)ragnarok(F) Trying to stay alive Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: ... Posts: 2,939	how much do those cards cost? __________________ Motherboard: Intel915GLVG -- CPU: Pentium 4 3.06GHz -- Monitor: ViewSonic VE910b LCD -- Video: Onboard -- Sound: Creative SB Audigy 2 -- Memory: 512 MB -- Disk Drives: Western Digital 250GB S-ATA -- OS: Windows XP -- DVD Rom University life sux....

August 13th, 2002, 19:24	#17
MasterYoshidino [NaTTaS]Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 122	nope this is an old save data [i have bad armor fyi since i sold some to get moola lol] from my console times you outta check out the time i spent playing ff10 LOL [over 150 hrs and still no clear sphere ;p] dont play psx much other than to stress my system to see if my overclocking is stable :P a ti4600 costs about 400 dollars ti4400 costs 250 ti4200 costs 200 radeon 8500 costs 150 as for the old school cards i seen them as low as 10 dollars :P __________________ If you like psx games and/or quake iii arena visit my site lol here are my recommended ePSXe settings Also known by the handle [NaTTaS]Yoshi Yoshi's version of the BFG10K is the RAILGUN! MY SPECS P4 1.8A @ 2.41 GHZ ; 256 DDR 333MHz GeForce4 Ti4600 (300/650) Via P4PB 400 Motherboard

August 13th, 2002, 19:37	#18
F-3582 Back to regular business Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in Sachsen Posts: 3,258	I thought so, because you seemed to have all those neat super-weapons a bit early... __________________ In a world without walls and fences - who needs Windows and Gates?

August 14th, 2002, 04:34	#20
(F)ragnarok(F) Trying to stay alive Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: ... Posts: 2,939	i want to get another video card in the future (since as u can see mine's ancient). which one do u recommend? n y is ti4600's price nearly doubles ti4400's? __________________ Motherboard: Intel915GLVG -- CPU: Pentium 4 3.06GHz -- Monitor: ViewSonic VE910b LCD -- Video: Onboard -- Sound: Creative SB Audigy 2 -- Memory: 512 MB -- Disk Drives: Western Digital 250GB S-ATA -- OS: Windows XP -- DVD Rom University life sux....