Celeron 433: good overclocker?

BaD_BURN · July 25th, 2002, 08:19

Tinkering around with my friend's 433 (Celeron). Anybody know how high this baby can go? It has a clock multiple of 6.5 and using the default 66MHz FSB, haven't tried it at 100MHz yet coz it has no fan.

Iran · July 25th, 2002, 08:42

i can overclock my celeron 466 to 525 only, but your mobo always play a big role in overclocking my celeron mobo is a pcpartner w/uses via apollo pro chipset w/c does not support pci divider

**Demigod** · July 25th, 2002, 16:47

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Originally posted by BaD_BURN
Tinkering around with my friend's 433 (Celeron). Anybody know how high this baby can go? It has a clock multiple of 6.5 and using the default 66MHz FSB, haven't tried it at 100MHz yet coz it has no fan.

I have a hard time believing a Celeron could run without a fan. You could probably buy a good heatsink/fan for his computer and try overclocking it. I don't know if it'll reach 100 FSB though, you'll probably need some voltage tweaks as well.

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Esturk · July 25th, 2002, 19:40

Don't bother overclocking. It's not worth it the extra heat and stress your CPU endures.

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**Demigod** · July 25th, 2002, 20:19

The overclockability of a CPU depends on many things, such as the quality of the silicon and the week of production. I got my Celeron 366 at the advice of my friend who advised me to get a certain model, SL36C. I followed his advice and was able to take it to 500 (495 actually

) Mhz without additional cooling or voltage increases. It was supposed to go all the way to 550 though but 500 is still pretty good. Celerons on this core can't really go higher than 550 anyways.

On the other hand my friend's Celeron 466 could only go as high as 512 Mhz. My Pentium 3 700 also couldn't overclock much at all, even though most Coppermine CPUs at that speed can overclock to the 1 Ghz mark. I think I got an early revision of it, it had a core stepping of cB0 while most CPUs that could overclock used a core stepping of cC0. My current P3 1 Ghz has a core stepping of cD0 so if I had gotten a P3 700 at a later stepping I could have probably overclocked it significantly.

All in all it depends on how the CPU was produced and unless you specifically aim for a certain CPU it's hard to tell which one will be really overclockable or not. If his CPU can't go that far then don't even bother. You can try cranking up the voltage but it will produce more heat and might fry his CPU if you're not careful. You can also try applying more cooling but it can only go so far.

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GuardianAli · July 26th, 2002, 15:15

Its not that I hate these posts but its sometimes no real answer to them.

The ability to overclock depends on sooo much
1.) processor stepping and what version of the chip it is.
2.) which plant it came from
3.) the air flow and heat in the case
4.) the motherboard.
etc..

The best thing to do is to overclock little by little till you get crashes or locks. then throttle back a bit till the kinks go away. THATs the level YOU can safely stay at.

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Esturk · July 26th, 2002, 18:04

So finding a level that does not crash ever is a safe level? Will my processor's life be any shorter by overclocking it? I can get 1000Mhz with my current motherboard by setting bus speed to 112Mhz. Now I assume that the PCI clock is running at 37Mhz or 28Mhz. Now at this setting I can do anything without crashes.

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GuardianAli · July 26th, 2002, 18:19

exactly..when u get to a setting that seems stable..thats where u can stay.

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**Demigod** · July 26th, 2002, 20:53

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Originally posted by Esturk17
So finding a level that does not crash ever is a safe level? Will my processor's life be any shorter by overclocking it? I can get 1000Mhz with my current motherboard by setting bus speed to 112Mhz. Now I assume that the PCI clock is running at 37Mhz or 28Mhz. Now at this setting I can do anything without crashes.

Yes, your CPU life will get shorter with overclocking, since it's producing more heat. You can try getting a better heatsink/fan if you're planning on overclocking.

Certain PCI and/or AGP devices have trouble running outside the recommended specifications. My Voodoo 2 started giving me trouble when running overclocked (it turned out to be a driver issue though). If your system runs stable at the new speed there shouldn't be any problems. Just make sure to test thoroughly. Play a really CPU intensive game for a couple of hours straight (Quake 3 or any of the newer 3D PC games will do).

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**Zephon** · July 26th, 2002, 22:05

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Originally posted by Esturk17
So finding a level that does not crash ever is a safe level? Will my processor's life be any shorter by overclocking it? I can get 1000Mhz with my current motherboard by setting bus speed to 112Mhz. Now I assume that the PCI clock is running at 37Mhz or 28Mhz. Now at this setting I can do anything without crashes.

I have my FSB at 112MHz, and it's working fine. The PCI is working at 37MHz and I have no problems at all. I think it depends on your motherboard and it's chipset (I'm using the good old i440BX). yes, the CPU's life will be shorter, but the normal life of a CPU is very long (more then 10 years IIRC), so even if it gets shorter, by the time it dies you will have already bought a new computer.

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ebola · July 26th, 2002, 23:10

come on guys your being funny. how long do you plan on keeping that old 433 celeron. even if you ran it with pelts and got the fsb to 100 it would still probably last another year or two. intel makes damn tough chips. if the chip runs stable and doesnt die in a week then you really dont have to worry about it dieing period because it will become obsolete before it dies.

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**Demigod** · July 26th, 2002, 23:27

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come on guys your being funny. how long do you plan on keeping that old 433 celeron. even if you ran it with pelts and got the fsb to 100 it would still probably last another year or two. intel makes damn tough chips. if the chip runs stable and doesnt die in a week then you really dont have to worry about it dieing period because it will become obsolete before it dies.

That's true. My Celeron 366 I kept overclocked to 500 (90 Mhz FSB) for a year and a half and it still works perfectly fine. I didn't change the voltage on it though, just the FSB. It's obslete by today's standards but still has plenty of life left in it.

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Gamer1 · July 26th, 2002, 23:34

when i overclock my celeron, my comp has heart attacks

stupid emachine

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BaD_BURN · July 27th, 2002, 05:10

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Originally posted by Demigod79
I have a hard time believing a Celeron could run without a fan.

Well, it has a sick-@ss-large heatsink (an Duron heatsink actually

) which should dissipate heat really good. Am still looking for a good fan tho. BTW, the motherboard's an ASUS CUV4X-E.

GuardianAli · July 28th, 2002, 21:53

under any load though..ur gonna burn the sucker out..i wish u luck though

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Esturk · July 28th, 2002, 22:06

There's not much point overclocking a 433Mhz Celeron anyways. You can buy a new Celeron 1.2Ghz for less than $100. Hell, even if you have a Slot 1 board you can always get a slocket adapter which cost me about $10 Canadian. I was just sick of using my old slow Celeron 300@450. I saved up the money and bought my 900 and Slocket.

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GuardianAli · July 29th, 2002, 08:07

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Originally posted by Esturk17
There's not much point overclocking a 433Mhz Celeron anyways. You can buy a new Celeron 1.2Ghz for less than $100. Hell, even if you have a Slot 1 board you can always get a slocket adapter which cost me about $10 Canadian. I was just sick of using my old slow Celeron 300@450. I saved up the money and bought my 900 and Slocket.

actually if u over clock it past 600..u can turn it into a divx/dvd box and not need a hardware decoder.

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BaD_BURN · July 29th, 2002, 08:27

Bought a 4x4 inch orange Duron heatsink+fan at a local shop yesterday. Made a few modifications to it so it will fill nicely into the socket370. Upped the FSB by 100MHz, no boot. Upped the motherboard's voltage I/O setting to 3.6v and walah, booted straight into Windows with no hitches. Even after 4 hours of CS, Unreal Tournament and WarCraft 3 it didn't hang up or anything. Will be gunning for 133MHz FSB but will be getting another fan for the north-bridge chip (VIA® 694X). heard it helps to cool said chip when going for a higher FSB.

BaD_BURN · August 1st, 2002, 09:39

And a big one, I might add.

Found a P2 cooling fan lying around my room, screwed it tight to the North-bridge chip's heatsink, made CPU settings in the BIOS at 133MHz FSB. P2 cooler RPM registered at 4800RPM in Asus PC Probe. Booted comp, went straight to Windows w/ no prob. CPU is running stable at 866MHz.

Gamer1 · August 1st, 2002, 09:46

nice, i could oc my machine like that, its already super hot w/o oc it and my comp always have heart attacks.

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July 25th, 2002, 08:19	#1
BaD_BURN In limbo Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Cave dweller Posts: 914	Celeron 433: good overclocker? Tinkering around with my friend's 433 (Celeron). Anybody know how high this baby can go? It has a clock multiple of 6.5 and using the default 66MHz FSB, haven't tried it at 100MHz yet coz it has no fan.

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Demigod これはバタスです Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,332	The overclockability of a CPU depends on many things, such as the quality of the silicon and the week of production. I got my Celeron 366 at the advice of my friend who advised me to get a certain model, SL36C. I followed his advice and was able to take it to 500 (495 actually) Mhz without additional cooling or voltage increases. It was supposed to go all the way to 550 though but 500 is still pretty good. Celerons on this core can't really go higher than 550 anyways. On the other hand my friend's Celeron 466 could only go as high as 512 Mhz. My Pentium 3 700 also couldn't overclock much at all, even though most Coppermine CPUs at that speed can overclock to the 1 Ghz mark. I think I got an early revision of it, it had a core stepping of cB0 while most CPUs that could overclock used a core stepping of cC0. My current P3 1 Ghz has a core stepping of cD0 so if I had gotten a P3 700 at a later stepping I could have probably overclocked it significantly. All in all it depends on how the CPU was produced and unless you specifically aim for a certain CPU it's hard to tell which one will be really overclockable or not. If his CPU can't go that far then don't even bother. You can try cranking up the voltage but it will produce more heat and might fry his CPU if you're not careful. You can also try applying more cooling but it can only go so far. __________________ CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Mobo: Intel DX48BT2 Memory: 4096 MB PC10600 DDR3 Videocard: PNY Geforce 9800 GX2 Soundcard: On-board SigmaTel High Definition Audio Hard drive: 120 GB OCZ RevoDrive PCI-E SSD & 1 TB Hitachi Optical drive: LG GGW-H20L (2x BD-R DL) PSU: Nexus 1000 Watt PSU OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit) Proud millionaire folder of the NGEmu folding team Last edited by Demigod; July 25th, 2002 at 20:25..

July 29th, 2002, 08:27	#18
BaD_BURN In limbo Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Cave dweller Posts: 914	*BIG BIG UPDATE** Bought a 4x4 inch orange Duron heatsink+fan at a local shop yesterday. Made a few modifications to it so it will fill nicely into the socket370. Upped the FSB by 100MHz, no boot. Upped the motherboard's voltage I/O setting to 3.6v and walah, booted straight into Windows with no hitches. Even after 4 hours of CS, Unreal Tournament and WarCraft 3 it didn't hang up or anything. Will be gunning for 133MHz FSB but will be getting another fan for the north-bridge chip (VIA® 694X). heard it helps to cool said chip when going for a higher FSB.

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BaD_BURN In limbo Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Cave dweller Posts: 914	ANOTHER UPDATE And a big one, I might add. Found a P2 cooling fan lying around my room, screwed it tight to the North-bridge chip's heatsink, made CPU settings in the BIOS at 133MHz FSB. P2 cooler RPM registered at 4800RPM in Asus PC Probe. Booted comp, went straight to Windows w/ no prob. CPU is running stable at 866MHz.

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July 25th, 2002, 08:42	#2
Iran Iran Pogi Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Stanmore Posts: 632	i can overclock my celeron 466 to 525 only, but your mobo always play a big role in overclocking my celeron mobo is a pcpartner w/uses via apollo pro chipset w/c does not support pci divider

July 25th, 2002, 19:40	#4
Esturk Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 6,964	Don't bother overclocking. It's not worth it the extra heat and stress your CPU endures. __________________ Necrosaro: Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Edition SP1 \| Intel Core i5 2500K - 3.30GHz, 8MB L3 Cache \| Asus P8P67 Deluxe, Intel P67 Chipset, Socket 1155 \| 8GB Kingston PC3-10600 DDR3 \| Nvidia GeForce GTX460, 1024MB \| Creative SB X-Fi Fatality Edition \| Western Digital Raptor WD1500HLFS, 150Gb, SATA, Western Digital WD1001FALS, 1000GB, SATA \| LG 16x DVD-RWx2 SATA.

July 26th, 2002, 15:15	#6
GuardianAli Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 120	Its not that I hate these posts but its sometimes no real answer to them. The ability to overclock depends on sooo much 1.) processor stepping and what version of the chip it is. 2.) which plant it came from 3.) the air flow and heat in the case 4.) the motherboard. etc.. The best thing to do is to overclock little by little till you get crashes or locks. then throttle back a bit till the kinks go away. THATs the level YOU can safely stay at. __________________

July 26th, 2002, 18:04	#7
Esturk Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 6,964	So finding a level that does not crash ever is a safe level? Will my processor's life be any shorter by overclocking it? I can get 1000Mhz with my current motherboard by setting bus speed to 112Mhz. Now I assume that the PCI clock is running at 37Mhz or 28Mhz. Now at this setting I can do anything without crashes. __________________ Necrosaro: Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Edition SP1 \| Intel Core i5 2500K - 3.30GHz, 8MB L3 Cache \| Asus P8P67 Deluxe, Intel P67 Chipset, Socket 1155 \| 8GB Kingston PC3-10600 DDR3 \| Nvidia GeForce GTX460, 1024MB \| Creative SB X-Fi Fatality Edition \| Western Digital Raptor WD1500HLFS, 150Gb, SATA, Western Digital WD1001FALS, 1000GB, SATA \| LG 16x DVD-RWx2 SATA.

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GuardianAli Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 120	exactly..when u get to a setting that seems stable..thats where u can stay. __________________

July 26th, 2002, 23:10	#11
ebola Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chanhassen, MN Posts: 900	come on guys your being funny. how long do you plan on keeping that old 433 celeron. even if you ran it with pelts and got the fsb to 100 it would still probably last another year or two. intel makes damn tough chips. if the chip runs stable and doesnt die in a week then you really dont have to worry about it dieing period because it will become obsolete before it dies. __________________ .: Cythraul Design :: MBA-Forums :.

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Gamer1 Anti-Brand Loyalist Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Its too dark to tell... Posts: 3,241	when i overclock my celeron, my comp has heart attacks stupid emachine __________________ Iris: (Proc:Intel Pentium4 2.8Ghz w/ HT UNLOCKED @ 15x200) (Mobo: Asus P4C800-E) (RAM: Corsair XMS 2x512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: Lite-On 16x DVD Burner 1673S) (GFX Card: Radeon 9800 All-In-Wonder Pro 128MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy) Morrigan: (Proc:AMD Athlon 2500+ @ 11x200) (Mobo: Asrock K7V88) (RAM: Corsair XMS 512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: NEC 16x DVD Burner 3200AG) (GFX Card: Radeon 920064MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Live! 5.1)

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GuardianAli Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 120	under any load though..ur gonna burn the sucker out..i wish u luck though __________________

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Esturk Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 6,964	There's not much point overclocking a 433Mhz Celeron anyways. You can buy a new Celeron 1.2Ghz for less than $100. Hell, even if you have a Slot 1 board you can always get a slocket adapter which cost me about $10 Canadian. I was just sick of using my old slow Celeron 300@450. I saved up the money and bought my 900 and Slocket. __________________ Necrosaro: Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Edition SP1 \| Intel Core i5 2500K - 3.30GHz, 8MB L3 Cache \| Asus P8P67 Deluxe, Intel P67 Chipset, Socket 1155 \| 8GB Kingston PC3-10600 DDR3 \| Nvidia GeForce GTX460, 1024MB \| Creative SB X-Fi Fatality Edition \| Western Digital Raptor WD1500HLFS, 150Gb, SATA, Western Digital WD1001FALS, 1000GB, SATA \| LG 16x DVD-RWx2 SATA.

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Gamer1 Anti-Brand Loyalist Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Its too dark to tell... Posts: 3,241	nice, i could oc my machine like that, its already super hot w/o oc it and my comp always have heart attacks. __________________ Iris: (Proc:Intel Pentium4 2.8Ghz w/ HT UNLOCKED @ 15x200) (Mobo: Asus P4C800-E) (RAM: Corsair XMS 2x512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: Lite-On 16x DVD Burner 1673S) (GFX Card: Radeon 9800 All-In-Wonder Pro 128MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy) Morrigan: (Proc:AMD Athlon 2500+ @ 11x200) (Mobo: Asrock K7V88) (RAM: Corsair XMS 512MB DDR400) (HDD 1: Seagate 80GB, 8MB Buffer, 7200 RPM) (Disk Drive 1: NEC 16x DVD Burner 3200AG) (GFX Card: Radeon 920064MB) (Sound Card: Sound Blaster Live! 5.1)