v1.39 of my plugin is released

[Lewpy]

Just the one fix, but it could be affecting all sorts of games (quite popular ones too, so lots of moaning-potential ).
Grab it from my page, or where-ever you like.
Post comments/problems here or via email, as usual.

[thienthanhomenh]

Lewpy can you make another plugin for Nvidia Gefore card.I think it's very easy for you.Rite?If you can,let prove yourself.Thanks

[ryu_joko]

yes, same question here too.

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[Lewpy]

Originally posted by thienthanhomenh
Lewpy can you make another plugin for Nvidia Gefore card.I think it's very easy for you.Rite?If you can,let prove yourself.Thanks

I don't know if your intention is to try and goad me in to saying yes, but the answer is still no. There are plenty of plugins for nVidia users to choose from already. I am happy doing what I am doing, and feel no need to do anything else.

[Goku7]

Here here!

Thank you, Lewpy. You've fixed at least one bug in FF9 I noticed so far. Haven't tested the slowdown spots yet, but I'm going to after posting this. I must say, good job, and keep up the good work.

And as for the nVidia card requests, just ignore them. They're just jealous that they can't use the Glide API after hastily selling their Voodoo's for some bandwagon fad!

Oh, and, you might want to take a look at the drivers being developed at 3dfx Underground. The 1.09 driver set is gonna have the OpenGL 1.2 ICD, and, more importantly, newer versions of the Glide drivers, which may finally allow you to implement that VSA-100 option for correct PSX lighting without the performance hit that the multipass option gives. Uh, you do know what I'm talking about, right?

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Ok, tested it. FF9 performs excellently, as always. However, on field screens when there is a large number of characters, the music slows down, and the graphics also slow down to an extent, but not much. 'Could be due to the fact that I'm using a Voodoo3, as opposed to a voodoo5, as well as the fact that I'm using Eternal's SPU, which is known too be a little CPU-hungry. This has occured on all the versions of the plugin I've tested, FYI they are versions 1.35 to 1.39.

Also, there may be a new slowdown bug in FF9, though. On the "abilities" sub-menu, the same type of music-and-graphic slowdown occurs; this did not happen in the previous versions. Then again, I was also testing out the "Forced" dithering option, and that may well be causing it.

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[Lewpy]

Originally posted by Goku7
Ok, tested it. FF9 performs excellently, as always. However, on field screens when there is a large number of characters, the music slows down, and the graphics also slow down to an extent, but not much. 'Could be due to the fact that I'm using a Voodoo3, as opposed to a voodoo5, as well as the fact that I'm using Eternal's SPU, which is known too be a little CPU-hungry. This has occured on all the versions of the plugin I've tested, FYI they are versions 1.35 to 1.39.

Also, there may be a new slowdown bug in FF9, though. On the "abilities" sub-menu, the same type of music-and-graphic slowdown occurs; this did not happen in the previous versions. Then again, I was also testing out the "Forced" dithering option, and that may well be causing it.

Bring up the FPS display, and see if the FPS figure goes red. This will indicate that full software rendering is being performed. Also, do you have FBA set to include READ?

The 1.09 driver set is gonna have the OpenGL 1.2 ICD, and, more importantly, newer versions of the Glide drivers, which may finally allow you to implement that VSA-100 option for correct PSX lighting without the performance hit that the multipass option gives. Uh, you do know what I'm talking about, right?

Well, let's just say I've made some very good progress with the VSA-100 draw method this evening

[Goku7]

Originally posted by Lewpy
Bring up the FPS display, and see if the FPS figure goes red. This will indicate that full software rendering is being performed.

I'll try that. I've never bothered with the FPS display stuff before, but I guess this is a good excuse to start messing with it, eh?

Also, do you have FBA set to include READ?

NO, I have it set to WRITE, then I set the OSD to "Extra+FBR"; as far as I know, setting the option to READ makes FF9 crash. However, didn't you mention something about fixing that in like version 1.37 or something like that? At any rate, I haven't tried that yet, either.

Well, let's just say I've made some very good progress with the VSA-100 draw method this evening

So, is this progress from the new drivers, or from something else, though? Sorry if it's a stupid question.......

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Done with testing. FPS is usually hovering around 58-60FPS when it is not in the two above mentioned slowdown spots. FPS drops down to about 45-55 FPS when there's a large number of characters on field screens. The test area I used was the "bridge" of the first airship in FF9. Note, however, that it is not being displayed in RED, so this is happening in the hardware accelerated mode.

Now, the menu screen slowdown. Major drop in FPS here, down to like 30 or so. Interestingly enough, it does indeed go to displaying in RED. Also, I found that this happens in the Status Menu screen as well. I switched the dithering option to "PSX Controlled" so I know that's not the cause.

Ok, just checked out using the "READ/WRITE" option in the Framebuffer options. It clears up the menu screen slowdown, but FPS drops down to exactly 8.2FPS during the battle swirl transition effect. I had also reset the OSD to "BASIC".

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[Lewpy]

Originally posted by Goku7
So, is this progress from the new drivers, or from something else, though? Sorry if it's a stupid question.......

Well, I got an email from KoolSmoky, and checked out his page. Well, what-da-ya-know, source code for a compilable Glide3 driver And also a new, modified Glide3 driver: this has a few nice features, like multi-monitor support. I don't know of any significant changes to the Glide implementation (apart from DXT textures, which are not of interest to my plugin), but the multi-monitor support is a god-send: no more resizing of my main monitor when using Glide on my secondary display Voodoo5 ))
I checked out the source code, and found out two important things:-
1) how to correctly use the extension I was trying to use
2) 3dfx lied to me They told me it was a bug when it wasn't: they just never explained how to use the extensions. I guess this was because they knew the end was nigh, and they didn't have the resource to spend helping me out.
Anyway, the good news is I have figured out what I was doing wrong (along the lines of "Don't cross the streams"), and have it working the way I expected it to.

Done with testing. FPS is usually hovering around 58-60FPS when it is not in the two above mentioned slowdown spots. FPS drops down to about 45-55 FPS when there's a large number of characters on field screens. The test area I used was the "bridge" of the first airship in FF9. Note, however, that it is not being displayed in RED, so this is happening in the hardware accelerated mode.
Now, the menu screen slowdown. Major drop in FPS here, down to like 30 or so. Interestingly enough, it does indeed go to displaying in RED. Also, I found that this happens in the Status Menu screen as well. I switched the dithering option to "PSX Controlled" so I know that's not the cause.

Can you please send me a save-state exactly when the problems are occuring? I will look in to it then.

Ok, just checked out using the "READ/WRITE" option in the Framebuffer options. It clears up the menu screen slowdown, but FPS drops down to exactly 8.2FPS during the battle swirl transition effect. I had also reset the OSD to "BASIC".

Setting READ will cause enormous slow-downs, that is inevitable. This is due to the slow READ speed from Glide's framebuffers.

[Goku7]

SaveState? Ok. Zipped and attached the savestate of the field screen slowdown bug. To get the other one, just access the either the "abilities" menu, or the "status" menu of any character.

Wait, you do have the game, right? Or do you somehow work with what's just inside the savestate file, without needing to load the game? If that's the case, I guess I'd have to send you a second save state.

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Wha....? I can't zip it enought to fit within the two meg limit, yet my comp reports that the file is small enough to work?? Ach. I guess I'll have to e-mail it to you, ok?

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[Lewpy]

Originally posted by Goku7
Wha....? I can't zip it enought to fit within the two meg limit, yet my comp reports that the file is small enough to work?? Ach. I guess I'll have to e-mail it to you, ok?

I meant email anyway

[Goku7]

Email is sent. I had to go to your website to get the address, though.

I woulda tried the email button, but for some reason, I don't see an area where I could attach the darn thing! :eek:

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[SkyDragon]

Lewpy i got a thing to ask you, it about my computer, now im using a vodoo 3 2000 with AMD K6-2 500 and 192 ram.while play game it realy lag, at the last post they tell me be because bottleneck of the AMD K6-2.well the main point is if i change a mother board and with a new cpu will it speed it up and get a smooth game, or i change to gefore 3 ti 200 this mean i cannt use your plugin already. with 1 will speed up my game most??? i asking you this because you know about voodoo. 10q

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[Lewpy]

SkyDragon: I know the Voodoo's quite well, but I have not done performance testing against different CPUs etc. I only have used the hardware I have owned
From what I can gather, the K6-2 is not the best CPU to use for ePSXe, and perhaps my plugin. I have heard others with more powerful systems, yet the same graphics card as you, talk about running at full framerate.
So, I would have thought your best bet is a CPU/system upgrade, but I am only going on the advice I have seen from others.

[SkyDragon]

Originally posted by Lewpy
SkyDragon: I know the Voodoo's quite well, but I have not done performance testing against different CPUs etc. I only have used the hardware I have owned
From what I can gather, the K6-2 is not the best CPU to use for ePSXe, and perhaps my plugin. I have heard others with more powerful systems, yet the same graphics card as you, talk about running at full framerate.
So, I would have thought your best bet is a CPU/system upgrade, but I am only going on the advice I have seen from others.

now i hear other thing from my friend they say that the cpu nothing do much it about my mother board,he has a geforce 2 assus 1 but dunno what model and intel 3 550,he have a full performace on the game. im using epox and my cpu always
over heat do this mean that my computer already overclock?? o ya 1 more thing do voodoo got any thing do with the chips set 1x <--- i dunno is what also what 1x 2x, so i will go to upgrade my mother board and my cpu. will assus mother board do ???

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[fivefeet8]

Originally posted by SkyDragon


now i hear other thing from my friend they say that the cpu nothing do much it about my mother board,he has a geforce 2 assus 1 but dunno what model and intel 3 550,he have a full performace on the game. im using epox and my cpu always
over heat do this mean that my computer already overclock?? o ya 1 more thing do voodoo got any thing do with the chips set 1x <--- i dunno is what also what 1x 2x, so i will go to upgrade my mother board and my cpu. will assus mother board do ???

A P3 is a much better cpu than an amd k6-2 cpu.. Both can run at 500 mhz, but the amd k6-2 has a really weak FPU which is required for good gaming speed.. That's why your friend gets full frames.. His P3 500 mhz has a much more powerful FPU.. coupled with his Geforce2 and of course it's going to be much faster than your system with your cpu.. But get a faster cpu and you will also get full frames with your voodoo3.. I did when I upgraded my cpu from an Amd k6-2 533 mhz to an Athlon 1gig.. My voodoo3 showed me it's true potential..

Your friend is wrong.. An amd k6-2 uses a different motherboard chipset then the athlons.. So motherboards do matter.. You probably mean agp speeds... I think the voodoo 3's can do 2x agp.. An assus mobo will do fine, but make sure it supports Athlon cpus not amd k6's..

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[SkyDragon]

do assus mother board have surport for amd and intel because i wan to buy motherboard 1st, after that just upgrade the cpu to intel ,cuz at asia the price is not that cheap.well conclusion is if i buy a assus with 4x mother board i will speed up some more rite?? cuz i have a voodoo 2x correct

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[Goku7]

Skydragon, no matter what your friend or anyone else says, most of the time a motherboard and cpu upgrade will DEFINITELY improve the appearant performance of your video card.

Now, I have a 3dfx Voodoo3 2000 myself, so I know what type of performance you're getting. Back when I started using ePSXe, I was using an old Intel Pentium-1 233mhz CPU, and I was using that Voodoo3 on it. Frankly, even when using the Glide plugin, I was gettin' like 20 frames per second, which was VERY slow.

Because of that, I decided to go for upgrading my system to a P4 1.5Ghz with 256 megs of DDR RAM. The V3's performance shot up dramatically when I was using ePSXe, and for special framebuffer effects (think swirly-screen stuff on games like FF9) I was getting better visual quality and frame rates than using Pete's plugins on the same card.

And, another word of advice: In case you ever do upgrade your video card, keep your Voodoo3 card for games that use Glide. For one thing, it'll give you something to fall back on, and second, since Voodoo cards are startin' to become rare on the market, it may go up in value due to that rarity.

Of course, you could just keep it on display somewhere, to show to your grandkids when they ask about who/what 3DFX was.

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[SkyDragon]

than for telling me sure im not selling the voodoo i have a great time when it with me errr 2 year ago haha, it also my 1st card too 10s for all the thing every 1

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[TIDUSXevax01]

Lewpy, what happened with Spyro 2 and 3? Before in 1.36 it was working with excellent stuff. No problems. Except now in 1.38 and 1.39 I notice bad flickering in the boarders top and bottom. Tried settings but nothing works. Check out my info in the epsxe section.

[SkyDragon]

Originally posted by Goku7
Skydragon, no matter what your friend or anyone else says, most of the time a motherboard and cpu upgrade will DEFINITELY improve the appearant performance of your video card.

Now, I have a 3dfx Voodoo3 2000 myself, so I know what type of performance you're getting. Back when I started using ePSXe, I was using an old Intel Pentium-1 233mhz CPU, and I was using that Voodoo3 on it. Frankly, even when using the Glide plugin, I was gettin' like 20 frames per second, which was VERY slow.

Because of that, I decided to go for upgrading my system to a P4 1.5Ghz with 256 megs of DDR RAM. The V3's performance shot up dramatically when I was using ePSXe, and for special framebuffer effects (think swirly-screen stuff on games like FF9) I was getting better visual quality and frame rates than using Pete's plugins on the same card.

And, another word of advice: In case you ever do upgrade your video card, keep your Voodoo3 card for games that use Glide. For one thing, it'll give you something to fall back on, and second, since Voodoo cards are startin' to become rare on the market, it may go up in value due to that rarity.

Of course, you could just keep it on display somewhere, to show to your grandkids when they ask about who/what 3DFX was.

if i buy assus motherboard with 128 dd ram and pentium 4 1.7 gmz will it lagging for me ???? just now i try only p3 500 still lagging

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