Windows 8 discussion

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · August 30th, 2011, 13:43

If you've used Office 2010 you'll instantly know what I'm talking about but for those of you that don't here's a pic to illustrate what the new Win8 Explorer looks like.

The reason for this change is that through their annonymous usage statistics they found out that most of the commands used in Explorer are file management commands so they wanted to optimize access to these.

If you're worrying that it'll squish the window too much then don't, in fact it actually uses less space an allows more file space since the status bar has been reduced back down to one line and when needed details appear in a bar to the right now.

Full articles here
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...for-windows-8/
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2...-explorer.aspx

As for me? Well I don't really care since I'll still be using good old right-click for the simple reason that it's still faster because it doesn't require additional mouse movement.

So what do the rest of you think?

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Strike105X · August 30th, 2011, 13:51

Personally i don't care except for it taking to much space, since i do all those functions with keyboard.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · August 30th, 2011, 13:54

It takes less space AND can be hidden so you don't need to worry about that. AND you can add an additional bar after you've hidden it with the same sort of shortcuts but small icons.

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Strike105X · August 30th, 2011, 14:35

Ow, that's cool.

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Princess Garnet · August 30th, 2011, 14:38

How is that less space? It looks like it takes more to me (and yes, that's counting the smaller status bar, it's still seems to take slightly more space).

In any case, I don't take a liking to it thus far, though I won't be able to say for sure until I try it. I use right click for those functions. If it can be hidden though, that's fine by me then.

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Silenus · August 30th, 2011, 14:40

It might be useful but I personally don't like it.

Too much clutter.
And laptops with small vertical space are a no no.

Luckily you can hide it with the arrow on the right.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · August 30th, 2011, 14:40

They do a side by side comparison in both articles so you can see for yourself that it takes less space.
Here's just the pic

That little white up arrow next to the help button hides it.

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Princess Garnet · August 30th, 2011, 15:05

What the? My status bar isn't that big. It's like half or two-thirds the size...

Also, that "Includes 2 locations" or whatever isn't there in 99% of folders, so there's even more padding on the Windows 7 side.

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Strike105X · August 30th, 2011, 15:13

Remember what schumi told me it can be hidden :P, if its hidden then of course the space use also gets considerably smaller, personally i like the idea of being able to unhidden a bar full of usefull options just in case, but if you don't need it it takes no space, personally i see this as a good idea and move, it satisfy all the needs and "unneeds".

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Princess Garnet · August 30th, 2011, 15:14

I'm not saying it is or isn't a great move. I am only saying the claim that it takes up less space when used doesn't seem fully right to me.

Personally though, I like the Windows 7 layout. It's clean and clutter-less. The new layout is good for putting those functions right in view, but I prefer right-clicking and/or keyboard shortcuts for those anyway, so I'll stick with the more clean and roomy layout.

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Strike105X · August 30th, 2011, 15:15

Well i do admit that the status bar is ridiculously big

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Princess Garnet · August 30th, 2011, 15:27

It's not in mine. I just noticed you can resize the status bar by right clicking it. I never noticed that. Mine was set to small, and I'm fairly sure that's the default, so it seems like they intentionally padded the Windows 7 side of that comparison.

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Spyhop · August 30th, 2011, 15:40

I don't really care so long as the option is there to turn it off. I use all keyboard shortcuts, never the GUI buttons.

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · August 30th, 2011, 15:42

Even then it's either equal or you lose one line at most Garnet.

What I never Understood is why they culled the side details bar from XP in the first place. You don't need the folder tree view on the left side there especially now that they've given the path itself so many back and forth options, and with 16:9 monitors emerging which have less vertical space and accentuate horisontal space a side details bar the way XP had makes so much more sense to me especially since the bottom details bar takes even more vertical space away. In fact it's the only thing from XP that I miss.
I very very rarely use the folder tree view (though I still have it open just in case) so replacing it with a details bar like XP's wouldn't bother me at all.
Also talking about that folder tree thing I hope they added a scrollbar to the bottom...it gets ridiculous a couple of folders in that I have to resize the space taken by that bar meaning I have LESS folder space just to see the rest of the tree whereas a simple scrollbar could prevent the problem.

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Princess Garnet · August 30th, 2011, 15:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

Even then it's either equal or you lose one line.

How so? The default view of Windows 7 on an average basis has more view. They used an inflated status bar size that probably few use, and probably fewer even know about (I didn't!), and they used a folder which has the "Includes X locations" part that most folders won't have which also pads the space. Put my picture next to that new look and you have a more average to average comparison of the old default versus the new look.

Again, it can be disabled, so I don't care. They just seem to be falsely hyping it up to hide the fact that it's more space when from what I see, unless I am missing something, it is not.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · August 30th, 2011, 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

How so? The default view of Windows 7 on an average basis has more view. They used an inflated status bar size that probably few use, and probably fewer even know about (I didn't!), and they used a folder which has the "Includes X locations" part that most folders won't have which also pads the space. Put my picture next to that new look and you have a more average to average comparison of the old default versus the new look.

True, as I made that comment I forgot about the heading the libraries have in Win7 which they used here.

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Princess Garnet · August 30th, 2011, 17:12

The heading is only half of it. They use a status bar the size of which next to nobody probably uses.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · August 30th, 2011, 17:20

No, because the increased details bar is only about as big as the New Ribbon so if you forget about the heading (which is as big as another details bar at small) it takes pretty much the same amount of space or max one line less.
But as you can see Win8 doesn't handle the heading like that anymore so the space taken up by the heading in Win7 is ALSO taken up by the Ribbon and that's why it was the reason I was off in what I said.

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Princess Garnet · August 30th, 2011, 18:30

You are missing the point.

I was saying the new layout does not have more room than Windows 7 as is being claimed. It used an "exaggerated" example to prove a false overall. You lose room overall/on average.

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Milanó · August 31st, 2011, 15:05

Regardless of actually taking up more room or not, I still find it ugly and cluttered. I never liked the new office design and I don't like seeing it used on Windows Explorer. I find it unnecessary, as I the right mouse click and the shortcuts are simple enough to use.

I'm glad to know microsoft still keeps its hard work of making things more clustered for me...

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SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,413	Windows 8 discussion If you've used Office 2010 you'll instantly know what I'm talking about but for those of you that don't here's a pic to illustrate what the new Win8 Explorer looks like. The reason for this change is that through their annonymous usage statistics they found out that most of the commands used in Explorer are file management commands so they wanted to optimize access to these. If you're worrying that it'll squish the window too much then don't, in fact it actually uses less space an allows more file space since the status bar has been reduced back down to one line and when needed details appear in a bar to the right now. Full articles here http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...for-windows-8/ http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2...-explorer.aspx As for me? Well I don't really care since I'll still be using good old right-click for the simple reason that it's still faster because it doesn't require additional mouse movement. So what do the rest of you think? __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

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Strike105X ヒットハード＆高速 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Aincrad Posts: 13,701	Personally i don't care except for it taking to much space, since i do all those functions with keyboard. __________________ DeviantArt\|AnimeList\|PC Config

August 30th, 2011, 13:54	#3
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,413	It takes less space AND can be hidden so you don't need to worry about that. AND you can add an additional bar after you've hidden it with the same sort of shortcuts but small icons. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

August 30th, 2011, 14:35	#4
Strike105X ヒットハード＆高速 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Aincrad Posts: 13,701	Ow, that's cool. __________________ DeviantArt\|AnimeList\|PC Config

August 30th, 2011, 14:38	#5
Princess Garnet From Love and Limerence Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,555	How is that less space? It looks like it takes more to me (and yes, that's counting the smaller status bar, it's still seems to take slightly more space). In any case, I don't take a liking to it thus far, though I won't be able to say for sure until I try it. I use right click for those functions. If it can be hidden though, that's fine by me then. __________________ "The heart has it's reasons that reason knows nothing of."

August 30th, 2011, 14:40	#6
Silenus Pilgrim Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hyperion Posts: 6,897	It might be useful but I personally don't like it. Too much clutter. And laptops with small vertical space are a no no. Luckily you can hide it with the arrow on the right. __________________ DELL XPS 13 ULTRABOOK ...Mis sueños son mentiras que algun día dejarán de serlo...

August 30th, 2011, 15:05	#8
Princess Garnet From Love and Limerence Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,555	What the? My status bar isn't that big. It's like half or two-thirds the size... Also, that "Includes 2 locations" or whatever isn't there in 99% of folders, so there's even more padding on the Windows 7 side. __________________ "The heart has it's reasons that reason knows nothing of."

August 30th, 2011, 15:13	#9
Strike105X ヒットハード＆高速 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Aincrad Posts: 13,701	Remember what schumi told me it can be hidden :P, if its hidden then of course the space use also gets considerably smaller, personally i like the idea of being able to unhidden a bar full of usefull options just in case, but if you don't need it it takes no space, personally i see this as a good idea and move, it satisfy all the needs and "unneeds". __________________ DeviantArt\|AnimeList\|PC Config

August 30th, 2011, 15:14	#10
Princess Garnet From Love and Limerence Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,555	I'm not saying it is or isn't a great move. I am only saying the claim that it takes up less space when used doesn't seem fully right to me. Personally though, I like the Windows 7 layout. It's clean and clutter-less. The new layout is good for putting those functions right in view, but I prefer right-clicking and/or keyboard shortcuts for those anyway, so I'll stick with the more clean and roomy layout. __________________ "The heart has it's reasons that reason knows nothing of."

August 30th, 2011, 15:15	#11
Strike105X ヒットハード＆高速 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Aincrad Posts: 13,701	Well i do admit that the status bar is ridiculously big . __________________ DeviantArt\|AnimeList\|PC Config

August 30th, 2011, 15:27	#12
Princess Garnet From Love and Limerence Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,555	It's not in mine. I just noticed you can resize the status bar by right clicking it. I never noticed that. Mine was set to small, and I'm fairly sure that's the default, so it seems like they intentionally padded the Windows 7 side of that comparison. __________________ "The heart has it's reasons that reason knows nothing of."

August 30th, 2011, 15:40	#13
Spyhop Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SPAAACCCCE Posts: 7,343	I don't really care so long as the option is there to turn it off. I use all keyboard shortcuts, never the GUI buttons.

August 30th, 2011, 15:42	#14
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,413	Even then it's either equal or you lose one line at most Garnet. What I never Understood is why they culled the side details bar from XP in the first place. You don't need the folder tree view on the left side there especially now that they've given the path itself so many back and forth options, and with 16:9 monitors emerging which have less vertical space and accentuate horisontal space a side details bar the way XP had makes so much more sense to me especially since the bottom details bar takes even more vertical space away. In fact it's the only thing from XP that I miss. I very very rarely use the folder tree view (though I still have it open just in case) so replacing it with a details bar like XP's wouldn't bother me at all. Also talking about that folder tree thing I hope they added a scrollbar to the bottom...it gets ridiculous a couple of folders in that I have to resize the space taken by that bar meaning I have LESS folder space just to see the rest of the tree whereas a simple scrollbar could prevent the problem. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

August 30th, 2011, 17:12	#17
Princess Garnet From Love and Limerence Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,555	The heading is only half of it. They use a status bar the size of which next to nobody probably uses. __________________ "The heart has it's reasons that reason knows nothing of."

August 30th, 2011, 17:20	#18
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,413	No, because the increased details bar is only about as big as the New Ribbon so if you forget about the heading (which is as big as another details bar at small) it takes pretty much the same amount of space or max one line less. But as you can see Win8 doesn't handle the heading like that anymore so the space taken up by the heading in Win7 is ALSO taken up by the Ribbon and that's why it was the reason I was off in what I said. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

August 30th, 2011, 18:30	#19
Princess Garnet From Love and Limerence Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,555	You are missing the point. I was saying the new layout does not have more room than Windows 7 as is being claimed. It used an "exaggerated" example to prove a false overall. You lose room overall/on average. __________________ "The heart has it's reasons that reason knows nothing of."

August 31st, 2011, 15:05	#20
Milanó It's needle time Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: wonderous wonderful world of whismical willy Posts: 370	Regardless of actually taking up more room or not, I still find it ugly and cluttered. I never liked the new office design and I don't like seeing it used on Windows Explorer. I find it unnecessary, as I the right mouse click and the shortcuts are simple enough to use. I'm glad to know microsoft still keeps its hard work of making things more clustered for me... __________________