Suggest an upgrade for me!

EmuFan23 · June 28th, 2011, 12:31

Oh, for the love of God, help me out here. Specs in signature. The question is: Should i upgrade my processor and graphics card (Plus any other suggestions you should have), or should i go the AMD route, and buy a new motherboard+processor (And again, whatever else you might suggest? I have been out of this game for long enough to be rusty. I have about 1000 bucks, but keep in mind that i have other expenses, like food, you know, to live, and other stuff. So the threshold should be at about 600-700, i guess.

I know that AMD's are the cheaper brand, and i would probably get more for the money at this point, but is it worth going for that, or should i stick with Intel? Please, people, opinions!

Edit: If there is any information you find missing, please let me know!

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · June 28th, 2011, 13:26

For now just get a better card. No need to dump the 950 just yet it's still quite capable, perhaps not as strong as Sandybridge but nowhere near weak enough to warrant an upgrade. Going AMD now before Bulldozer (and performance reviews on it) is released would be plain stupid.

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**n_w95482** · June 28th, 2011, 14:39

I agree with Schumi, the only thing that would possibly warrant an upgrade would be the video card. The CPU is plenty fast for just about anything.

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Dax · June 28th, 2011, 15:58

Drop an Nvidia 570 or some nice GPU in there. That's all you really need.

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Kaizen · June 28th, 2011, 16:01

I'd personally go for a 6970 over a 570.

The extra vram makes a difference when your card is so fast that the only things that give you trouble are mods and supersampling.

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Princess Garnet · June 28th, 2011, 17:14

If you're asking, I'm assuming there is a reason? Is performance not what you want? Do you just want something new?

As for upgrades, video card, SSD, and RAM, roughly in that order (the RAM is hard to suggest though as any triple channel setup is a dead end now, and unless you know you need more, it's not needed anyway. The SSD is optional. The video card is the "weak" point (comparatively).

As for the CPU, it is kind of preference. It isn't the best, but it's still capable, and anything AMD has would be going backwards. AMD's still below Core 2 in per core performance, so going from where you're at to it, when Sandy bridge is much better and also competitively priced against it is like a double negative. If it would be preemptive for Bulldozer, the extra money spent on a temporary CPU sort of offsets the reason of going AMD to begin with, plus we don't know how well it'll perform. Here's a hint, it was delayed and rumors are saying it's because they couldn't get the clock speed/performance or something up? I'd... just skip on it to be honest.

Sandy Bridge, however, may be worth it if you just really want a new setup and want to improve in that area, considering you could possibly sell your current PC to cover for the costs, but it's starting to look like Nehalem and LGA1366 is quickly losing resale because it's a dying breed, because better Sandy Bridge CPUs are available for cheap now, so I'm not sure if that's easier said than done. Just throwing it out.

You can pretty much just drop a video card in and be done with it. An SSD and/or more RAM are thing I can point out, but also depend on use/preference. The CPU doesn't need it even if it isn't the fastest and is purely an optional thing.

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Ahielia · June 28th, 2011, 18:14

Of your current specs, nothing is actually bad.
The 275 GTX still performs surprisingly well in games, considering it's age.

I got the EVGA version, and I was able to play Homefront (shooter released this year) at 1920x1200 at the highest graphics settings at a constant 30 fps. Pulling the graphics down a notch to "high", it maxed out at the refreshrate, 60 fps. Never noticed it lower than 58 or so during the entire campaign (disappointed by that - the campaign, not performance

).

Currently, one of the best "bang for the buck" cards from Nvidia is the 560 Ti.
Kaizen: This card does also come in a 2GB version, so I'd definitely get this card if you are planning on upgrading.

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Originally Posted by EmuFan23

I know that AMD's are the cheaper brand

In far too many cases, AMD is good performance at a cheap price, but Nvidia and Intel is better performance at a bit higher price.

Princess Garnet · June 28th, 2011, 19:55

Maybe you could wait for Ivy Bridge and Keplar, that is, Sandy Bridge's die shrink and GeForce GTX 6x0. Both are promising some decent, if not very decent, gains. That also let's you see what Bulldozer and AMD's next GPU offerings will be like. If you want to do something new, that's your best move. On the other hand, now isn't a "bad" time to buy. Your current PC just isn't that incapable in the mean time. Only buy more purely if you want more. Hardly in two years after buying a CPU will it be incapable, especially if it was higher end when you got it. The age old "upgrade the graphics card" is about the only one outside minor and preference factors.

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In far too many cases, AMD is good performance at a cheap price, but Nvidia and Intel is better performance at a bit higher price.

That is somewhat true of Intel and AMD with CPUs, but not really of nVidia and AMD with GPUs.

For example, a Radeon 6950 is a bit better and a bit cheaper than a GeForce GTX 560 Ti. This is even more so when you factor that it can potentially (almost always from what I've heard) be unlocked to a Radeon 6970 with a simple BIOS flash and then yet perform on par with a GeForce GTX 570 for yet a price under a GeForce GTX 560 Ti, and have more VRAM to boot. The truth is, either are great, but AMD isn't just the cheap but worse offering. They're right there with nVidia, and it changes alot, and as of now, AMD may be the arguably slightly better buy at some points.

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EmuFan23 · June 29th, 2011, 08:55

Ok guys. Thank you all for your advices. I decided to go for a new GPU, a 560 Ti, and a new cooler for my CPU, because i have seen some ridiculous temperatures there sometimes. 38-39 degrees Celsius at load can't be a bad thing. Now, there is one more thing that bugs the hell out of me, and that is my RAMs. 6 GB RAM, 2 on each chip. I can only get 4 in Windows 7 x64. I have checked the BIOS, only 4. I have tried to triple channel them, but then i get two. Can someone explain that one to me? Because i have no clue, it's very weird..

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Phil · June 29th, 2011, 09:38

Why not a GTX 570 or 6970? The 560 from 275 is not a large jump.

EmuFan23 · June 29th, 2011, 10:25

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Originally Posted by Phil

Why not a GTX 570 or 6970? The 560 from 275 is not a large jump.

Allow me to refer you to the first post i made

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Originally Posted by EmuFan23

I have about 1000 bucks, but keep in mind that i have other expenses, like food, you know, to live, and other stuff. So the threshold should be at about 600-700, i guess.

I live in a apartment with my girlfriend. I COULD have bought the 570, but that would mean less money for food, gas and other important expenses! I agree, it is not a large jump, but enough for me. The GPU i had was very good, but i needed that LITTLE extra to run things smoothly. So far, no regrets. Sometimes you have to prioritize. Besides, the CPU cooler was the most essential part to get, really. Believe me. I do not want to push it any further.

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Princess Garnet · June 29th, 2011, 10:47

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Originally Posted by EmuFan23

Now, there is one more thing that bugs the hell out of me, and that is my RAMs. 6 GB RAM, 2 on each chip. I can only get 4 in Windows 7 x64. I have checked the BIOS, only 4. I have tried to triple channel them, but then i get two. Can someone explain that one to me? Because i have no clue, it's very weird..

Check your BIOS for a memory remap function of sorts.

Failing that, if it's overclocked, revert to stock settings and check. Your IMC may be borderline unstable.

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EmuFan23 · June 29th, 2011, 11:11

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Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

Check your BIOS for a memory remap function of sorts.

Failing that, if it's overclocked, revert to stock settings and check. Your IMC may be borderline unstable.

What really bugs me, is that it read all 6 at some point, then out of nowhere, there was just 4. It was noticeable too, because my computer was a TAD bit slower. I got it back to 6 somehow, but it went back to 4, without me doing anything. I tested all the chips separately, and they worked fine! It is very frustrating.

Edit: CPU-Z reads all six, but everything else doesn't.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · June 29th, 2011, 12:44

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Originally Posted by EmuFan23

Allow me to refer you to the first post i made

I live in a apartment with my girlfriend. I COULD have bought the 570, but that would mean less money for food, gas and other important expenses! I agree, it is not a large jump, but enough for me. The GPU i had was very good, but i needed that LITTLE extra to run things smoothly. So far, no regrets. Sometimes you have to prioritize. Besides, the CPU cooler was the most essential part to get, really. Believe me. I do not want to push it any further.

I understand that usually but not so much in your case. Originally you were willing to spend $600-700 to replace the CPU, motherboard and other bits...now you just need to spend like ~$50 or something like that more to get yourself a slightly better vid card than planned which is already a whole lot cheaper than you were originally planning to spend and you don't want to?

Seriously GTX570 + that 950 would be killer.

Yeah the GTX560 would be enough but it just kinda seems like a strange scaling down all of a sudden.

Or are graphics cards just super expensive over there?

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Princess Garnet · June 29th, 2011, 16:47

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Originally Posted by EmuFan23

What really bugs me, is that it read all 6 at some point, then out of nowhere, there was just 4. It was noticeable too, because my computer was a TAD bit slower. I got it back to 6 somehow, but it went back to 4, without me doing anything. I tested all the chips separately, and they worked fine! It is very frustrating.

Edit: CPU-Z reads all six, but everything else doesn't.

Are you at stock settings? If not, revert and check again. If so, then unless it's a BIOS setting, I don't know.

What's "everything else"? It's odd that some programs would read it, and others wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

Seriously GTX570 + that 950 would be killer.

Yeah the GTX560 would be enough but it just kinda seems like a strange scaling down all of a sudden.

Or are graphics cards just super expensive over there?

Well, the GeForce GTX 570 has a worse performance for price ratio than the GeForce GTX 560 Ti, which itself is bested by something AMD has in that regard. Price for performance may still matter. Just because someone has X amount to spend, doesn't mean that may not matter. He was willing to spend as much on a new platform, if needed, but if it's just for a video card, that may change it.

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**SCHUMI_4EVER** · June 29th, 2011, 17:00

Well performance VS price differs everywhere so you can't necessarily say that. Over here the GTX560Ti trumps anything ATi (since we're talking processors in this thread as well I gotta make the split back to the old one) and if you take the step up to something that's finally better from ATi you might as well get a GTX570 since it barely costs much more then.

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Princess Garnet · June 29th, 2011, 18:13

True. Well, here's a graph to give an idea of performance.

GeForce GTX 460 (1GB) = Radeon 6850 < Radeon 6870 = GeForce GTX 560 (?) < GeForce GTX 560 Ti < Radeon 6950 < GeForce GTX 570 = Radeon 6970 < GeForce GTX 580

I'm not sure if the standard GeForce GTX 560 is where it should be, but I'm guessing it's around there, hence the question mark, and the rest is roughly correct so far as I know.

The GeForce GTX 570 is a good card, but it served more as a temporary and cheaper alternative to the GeForce GTX 580 until the GeForce GTX 560 Ti arrived. Now, it's sort of in a niche area, much like the GeForce 4 Ti 4400 sandwiched between the Ti 4200 and Ti 4600 in those times. Those who want performance, turn to the GeForce GTX 580 (and in those times, turned to the GeForce 4 Ti 4600). For more price for performance conscious buyers, the GeForce GTX 560 Ti (and in those times, the GeForce 4 Ti 4200) or even lower are where they look.

And then honestly, although again, this is here, the Radeon 6950 kind of defeats the purpose of getting either of those nVidia cards, but it's not so much better proportionately to absolutely negate any reason to go with nVidia at that point, just that AMD is the clear better buy, so unless you prefer nVidia, either or those two are out of the question sort of. The Radeon 69x0 GPUs are really good for the money, and I hear they scale better than GeForce GTX 5x0 (and Radeon 5xx0) as well.

Just my observations, and that's how it seems to be with prices here anyway. If the price difference was small, sure, jump for the GeForce GTX 570. If it factors AMD though, look at them. Either way, any of these cards should serve very well. Even the GeForce GTX 275 is no slouch.

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EmuFan23 · July 4th, 2011, 09:06

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Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

I understand that usually but not so much in your case. Originally you were willing to spend $600-700 to replace the CPU, motherboard and other bits...now you just need to spend like ~$50 or something like that more to get yourself a slightly better vid card than planned which is already a whole lot cheaper than you were originally planning to spend and you don't want to?

Seriously GTX570 + that 950 would be killer.

Yeah the GTX560 would be enough but it just kinda seems like a strange scaling down all of a sudden.

Or are graphics cards just super expensive over there?

I understand you being confused. I'll explain. Yes, the price difference between a 560 and 570 are quite high. Oh yes. At least $280 at the very minimum. It was that, and, as much better the 570 would be, the 560 does everything i need. I am happy with it. I don't need anything better. Also, there's the expenses i have. They vary a great deal sometimes, so it's hard to tell how much i have left to spend. Hope that clears something up.

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Phil · July 4th, 2011, 09:10

$280?!

The scalpers must be having a fields day.

**SCHUMI_4EVER** · July 4th, 2011, 10:36

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Originally Posted by EmuFan23

I understand you being confused. I'll explain. Yes, the price difference between a 560 and 570 are quite high. Oh yes. At least $280 at the very minimum. It was that, and, as much better the 570 would be, the 560 does everything i need. I am happy with it. I don't need anything better. Also, there's the expenses i have. They vary a great deal sometimes, so it's hard to tell how much i have left to spend. Hope that clears something up.

Ah then I completely understand now if the difference between the 560 and 570 is $280. Damn that's crazy, I thought our graphics cards were expensive here. Over here the GTX560 weighs in at about ~$350-400 depending on brand chosen and then the GTX570 at about ~$500-600 depending on brand chosen so generally about ~$150 difference and I didn't think you could possibly have worse than that.

Yeah then a GTX560 is definitely your best bet.

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June 28th, 2011, 12:31	#1
EmuFan23 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 430	Suggest an upgrade for me! Oh, for the love of God, help me out here. Specs in signature. The question is: Should i upgrade my processor and graphics card (Plus any other suggestions you should have), or should i go the AMD route, and buy a new motherboard+processor (And again, whatever else you might suggest? I have been out of this game for long enough to be rusty. I have about 1000 bucks, but keep in mind that i have other expenses, like food, you know, to live, and other stuff. So the threshold should be at about 600-700, i guess. I know that AMD's are the cheaper brand, and i would probably get more for the money at this point, but is it worth going for that, or should i stick with Intel? Please, people, opinions! Edit: If there is any information you find missing, please let me know! __________________ ____________________ Primary PC: ASUS P6T SE - Intel Core i7 Quad Processor i7-950 - Corsair Dominator DHX+ DDR3 1600MHz 6GB - Gainward GeForce GTX 275 896MB PhysX - 1.8 TB HDD's + Network connected to about 1.5 TB - Soundmax High Definition Audio - 7 x64. Second PC: MSI K9A2 Platinum V2, AMD 790FX, DDR2 - AMD Phenom 9950 Black Edition Quad-Core - Corsair Dominator TWIN2X PC8500 4GB DDR2 - Realtek High Definition Audio - 7 x64

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June 28th, 2011, 13:26	#2
SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,393	For now just get a better card. No need to dump the 950 just yet it's still quite capable, perhaps not as strong as Sandybridge but nowhere near weak enough to warrant an upgrade. Going AMD now before Bulldozer (and performance reviews on it) is released would be plain stupid. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

June 28th, 2011, 14:39	#3
n_w95482 Gone Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 6,336	I agree with Schumi, the only thing that would possibly warrant an upgrade would be the video card. The CPU is plenty fast for just about anything. __________________ Later.

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Dax ライチュウ\|タオ Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA Posts: 3,956	Drop an Nvidia 570 or some nice GPU in there. That's all you really need. __________________ My PC Specs\|My Consoles\|Emu SVNs\|Project OSX\|How to ask a Question

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Kaizen John Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 5,503	I'd personally go for a 6970 over a 570. The extra vram makes a difference when your card is so fast that the only things that give you trouble are mods and supersampling. __________________ OCHRE YELLOW.

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Princess Garnet From Love and Limerence Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,555	If you're asking, I'm assuming there is a reason? Is performance not what you want? Do you just want something new? As for upgrades, video card, SSD, and RAM, roughly in that order (the RAM is hard to suggest though as any triple channel setup is a dead end now, and unless you know you need more, it's not needed anyway. The SSD is optional. The video card is the "weak" point (comparatively). As for the CPU, it is kind of preference. It isn't the best, but it's still capable, and anything AMD has would be going backwards. AMD's still below Core 2 in per core performance, so going from where you're at to it, when Sandy bridge is much better and also competitively priced against it is like a double negative. If it would be preemptive for Bulldozer, the extra money spent on a temporary CPU sort of offsets the reason of going AMD to begin with, plus we don't know how well it'll perform. Here's a hint, it was delayed and rumors are saying it's because they couldn't get the clock speed/performance or something up? I'd... just skip on it to be honest. Sandy Bridge, however, may be worth it if you just really want a new setup and want to improve in that area, considering you could possibly sell your current PC to cover for the costs, but it's starting to look like Nehalem and LGA1366 is quickly losing resale because it's a dying breed, because better Sandy Bridge CPUs are available for cheap now, so I'm not sure if that's easier said than done. Just throwing it out. You can pretty much just drop a video card in and be done with it. An SSD and/or more RAM are thing I can point out, but also depend on use/preference. The CPU doesn't need it even if it isn't the fastest and is purely an optional thing. __________________ "The heart has it's reasons that reason knows nothing of."

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EmuFan23 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 430	Ok guys. Thank you all for your advices. I decided to go for a new GPU, a 560 Ti, and a new cooler for my CPU, because i have seen some ridiculous temperatures there sometimes. 38-39 degrees Celsius at load can't be a bad thing. Now, there is one more thing that bugs the hell out of me, and that is my RAMs. 6 GB RAM, 2 on each chip. I can only get 4 in Windows 7 x64. I have checked the BIOS, only 4. I have tried to triple channel them, but then i get two. Can someone explain that one to me? Because i have no clue, it's very weird.. __________________ ____________________ Primary PC: ASUS P6T SE - Intel Core i7 Quad Processor i7-950 - Corsair Dominator DHX+ DDR3 1600MHz 6GB - Gainward GeForce GTX 275 896MB PhysX - 1.8 TB HDD's + Network connected to about 1.5 TB - Soundmax High Definition Audio - 7 x64. Second PC: MSI K9A2 Platinum V2, AMD 790FX, DDR2 - AMD Phenom 9950 Black Edition Quad-Core - Corsair Dominator TWIN2X PC8500 4GB DDR2 - Realtek High Definition Audio - 7 x64

June 29th, 2011, 09:38	#10
Phil 339.9 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 14,777	Why not a GTX 570 or 6970? The 560 from 275 is not a large jump.

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SCHUMI_4EVER Hackin 'n Slashin Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Most-expensive-Internet-on-the-Planet Land : South Africa Posts: 26,393	Well performance VS price differs everywhere so you can't necessarily say that. Over here the GTX560Ti trumps anything ATi (since we're talking processors in this thread as well I gotta make the split back to the old one) and if you take the step up to something that's finally better from ATi you might as well get a GTX570 since it barely costs much more then. __________________ Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83Ghz stock) \| ASUS P5Q \| 2x2GB Transcend JetRam DDR2-800 \| ASUS ENGTX260\HDTP\896M \| Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit SP1 The Champ has retired but may his Legacy live on FOREVER !!!! No$GBA DS FAQ 2.0 Get it right fools! The glass is HALF-EMPTY, not half-full!!! !!! WARNING: Emulation requires a brain !!! WARNING: Emulation =/= Piracy !!!

June 29th, 2011, 18:13	#17
Princess Garnet From Love and Limerence Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,555	True. Well, here's a graph to give an idea of performance. GeForce GTX 460 (1GB) = Radeon 6850 < Radeon 6870 = GeForce GTX 560 (?) < GeForce GTX 560 Ti < Radeon 6950 < GeForce GTX 570 = Radeon 6970 < GeForce GTX 580 I'm not sure if the standard GeForce GTX 560 is where it should be, but I'm guessing it's around there, hence the question mark, and the rest is roughly correct so far as I know. The GeForce GTX 570 is a good card, but it served more as a temporary and cheaper alternative to the GeForce GTX 580 until the GeForce GTX 560 Ti arrived. Now, it's sort of in a niche area, much like the GeForce 4 Ti 4400 sandwiched between the Ti 4200 and Ti 4600 in those times. Those who want performance, turn to the GeForce GTX 580 (and in those times, turned to the GeForce 4 Ti 4600). For more price for performance conscious buyers, the GeForce GTX 560 Ti (and in those times, the GeForce 4 Ti 4200) or even lower are where they look. And then honestly, although again, this is here, the Radeon 6950 kind of defeats the purpose of getting either of those nVidia cards, but it's not so much better proportionately to absolutely negate any reason to go with nVidia at that point, just that AMD is the clear better buy, so unless you prefer nVidia, either or those two are out of the question sort of. The Radeon 69x0 GPUs are really good for the money, and I hear they scale better than GeForce GTX 5x0 (and Radeon 5xx0) as well. Just my observations, and that's how it seems to be with prices here anyway. If the price difference was small, sure, jump for the GeForce GTX 570. If it factors AMD though, look at them. Either way, any of these cards should serve very well. Even the GeForce GTX 275 is no slouch. __________________ "The heart has it's reasons that reason knows nothing of."

July 4th, 2011, 09:10	#19
Phil 339.9 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 14,777	$280?! The scalpers must be having a fields day.