First 3DS roms dumped

[Paratech]

Cracking the encryption would also qualify the coder for a nice 5 years in a Federal Pen, and I believe that's similar in most parts of the world. Nintendo would go after any hacker wannabe as quick or more quicker than Sony did over the PS3 hack.

Thankfully I lack the skills and the interest to do such a stupid thing, but if others want to battle Nintendo, be my guest.

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[PsyMan]

Originally Posted by Thermonuclear

I don't get it what if you had a monster computer rig where you wrote a simple program that could do a brute-force attack on the 3DS ROM dumps, and attempt to crack the encryption keys? By taking advantage of multiple high-end graphics cards in CrossFireX, or SLI couldn't they just load the GDDR5 memory with as many codes as possible, and then use the montrous TeraFLOPS of processing power and let it sit for a few days, weeks, or maybe a few months until they crack the AES encryption?

Cause by doing exactly that, in theory, it would take a wide array of non-existent supercomputers lots of quadrillion years to crack a key.

As for consumer oriented computers.... the time would be quite longer, no matter the hardware.

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[Thermonuclear]

Originally Posted by Annoying-Kuriboh

And who the hell is going to do that?

Someone who can go out and buy 2x ATi Radeon HD 6990's put it in CrossFireX, has enough experience to write a program in ASM/C/C++/etc., and I don't know maybe let it just run until they get a damn answer........... Whatever the level of encryption i.e. 32-Bit, 64-Bit, 128-Bit, etc. is going to determine how long it will take for such a thing to happen.

P.S. However they might need to pay a little extra for the electric bill if the encryption is too high

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[Thermonuclear]

Originally Posted by PsyMan

Cause by doing exactly that, in theory, it would take a wide array of non-existent supercomputers lots of quadrillion years to crack a key.

As for consumer oriented computers.... the time would be quite longer, no matter the hardware.

Just what I was thinking before I could even finish typing my message this appeared, but does anybody know what level of encryption these ROM's have?

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[tom_mai78101]

Originally Posted by Thermonuclear

Just what I was thinking before I could even finish typing my message this appeared, but does anybody know what level of encryption these ROM's have?

According to Satoshi Iwata of Nintendo JP, the encryption level is:

"Sophisticated".

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[pokemonunicorn]

i just downloaded some emulator and rom. it was usable and safe and i thought it wasn't.

[wetfeet]

The strength of the encryption algorithm is irrelevant in a DRM system. The only thing that matters is how obfuscated the key is. It must be stored somewhere, otherwise you couldn't play the game, or watch the movie (the Blu-ray DRM, AACS, also uses AES, and it is completely broken). The PS3 also uses AES (again, broken). AES itself is very secure, DRM systems are not.

[urbanman2004]

i know i'm late, but im not gonna bother waiting

[Cid Highwind]

And why should you? If you really want to play the games, the real deal offers a great experience. Besides, emulation isn't all about cheap gaming, it's about playing your games wherever you want, whenever you want. It helps supporting the companies that actually make your games

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Originally Posted by Paratech

Cracking the encryption would also qualify the coder for a nice 5 years in a Federal Pen, and I believe that's similar in most parts of the world. Nintendo would go after any hacker wannabe as quick or more quicker than Sony did over the PS3 hack.

Thankfully I lack the skills and the interest to do such a stupid thing, but if others want to battle Nintendo, be my guest.

Then rely on complete anonymity so they can't find out where you live or who you are.

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[Paratech]

Frankly I don't want the 3DS hacked and I don't believe you can be truly anonymous on the web. If the US government wants to find you, I think they will.

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[Zurenriri]

Originally Posted by Paratech

Frankly I don't want the 3DS hacked and I don't believe you can be truly anonymous on the web. If the US government wants to find you, I think they will.

It will be hacked eventually. As for when, I don't know. But eventually it will be hacked.
SNES emulators are a good thing because you can't just waltz down to Kmart and buy a SNES or any games for it, and the going rates on eBay for some of its best games are simply absurd. Nintendo gets no profits from the sale of those games but you don't see anyone getting sued for selling a copy of Earthbound, do you? I have better things to spend $150+ on (like a 3DS), so I just use the ROM.
Eventually the 3DS will be obsolete to the point that emulation will be the most reasonable way to enjoy the memories of this era, so hopefully there will eventually be a working emulator. Hopefully it won't appear for a minimum of 5 years so that Nintendo can bring us great games without heavy interference from piracy.

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[psicomaniaco]

Originally Posted by Paratech

Frankly I don't want the 3DS hacked and I don't believe you can be truly anonymous on the web. If the US government wants to find you, I think they will.

They may TRY to locate an annonymous Brazilian, or a Russian, or an Asian hacker, but believe-me: they won't succeed.

In some countries, its basically impossible to locate someone by its Internet connection. Specially on Asia!

And... what do you think the US goverment can do about non-US hackers?!? The same thing they did with the guys who cracked the Playstation 2 a few years after its release? The PS2 is able to play all pirated games at ease without any kind of swap trick! Heck, My PS2 is chipped ever since I've bought (bought it modded at the shopping mall, btw).

What about the guys that finally broke into the PS3? Heck, here in Brazil the PS3 can already play pirated Blu-ray discs! And... what did the US goverment did?!? SQUAT!

Not to mention that NO Nintendo console was hard to crack. From the Nes to the Wii, pirated games came on the first year after the console release. The N64 was the least pirated Nintendo console, but the GBA, the Wii and the DS where cracked so fast that when they came to the stores in here, people where already selling pirated games.

Lets see how many months will take to find a working emulators for the 3ds. There ARE dumped ROMs already... MANY of them, BTW. And there's an Brazilian dude working on a flash card (I heard there's also an asian fella working on one).

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[Matis]

To be honest, the only reason I've yet to buy a 3DS myself is the region lock. Living in a 3rd world country means that the games we get are for the most part a small(really small) mixed bag. You can find NTSC and PAL games all in the same row in a game store. And the same applies to the console itself. Then I have to be lucky to find supply for the games, since importing them myself is prohibitively expensive(80-120 USD, depending on the game).

So, if anything, if Nintendo doesn't take out the region lock at some point, I'd want the thing to be hacked, even if only for that. I'd be a shame to lose out on games for any of the regions simply because of a line or two of code. Nintendo doesn't seem to want my money.

PS. I might have to preemptively buy a copy of Etrian Odyssey IV once it's released, given Atlus print runs. So I'll have to find an NTSC 3DS at some point.

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[Kaiser Sigma]

For the most part I'm against hacking of current gen devices. Just look at the PSP and the way it was exploited. Systems sold flashed and with a 4GB memcard packed with like 10 games. Sure, emulation and CFWs were awesome but it was like opening Pandora's box, it hurt the system enough. Same could be said about the Dreamcast~.

But that said, releasing a console system with a region lock in this time and age has to be the most ****ing retarded thing ever. I can't fathom what the **** Nintendo was thinking when putting that in effect, with the sheer amount of games never making it outside of Japan, putting a region lock is like telling your customers you don't want (all) their money~.

@Matis, try http://www.cdmarket.com.ar/ . They aren't as cheap as they could be but their selection is good enough and they do tend to put lots of games on sale as time goes on. All they stock is NTSC stuff~.

[Paratech]

Originally Posted by Kaiser Sigma

For the most part I'm against hacking of current gen devices. Just look at the PSP and the way it was exploited. Systems sold flashed and with a 4GB memcard packed with like 10 games. Sure, emulation and CFWs were awesome but it was like opening Pandora's box, it hurt the system enough. Same could be said about the Dreamcast~.

But that said, releasing a console system with a region lock in this time and age has to be the most ****ing retarded thing ever. I can't fathom what the **** Nintendo was thinking when putting that in effect, with the sheer amount of games never making it outside of Japan, putting a region lock is like telling your customers you don't want (all) their money~.

@Matis, try http://www.cdmarket.com.ar/ . They aren't as cheap as they could be but their selection is good enough and they do tend to put lots of games on sale as time goes on. All they stock is NTSC stuff~.

I agree with you, plus they made DS gamers "Beg" for "Giana Sisters" and Wii gamers beg for "Xenoblade" and "Last Story."

How about trying to sell us games and not lock them out?

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[Matis]

Originally Posted by Kaiser Sigma

For the most part I'm against hacking of current gen devices. Just look at the PSP and the way it was exploited. Systems sold flashed and with a 4GB memcard packed with like 10 games. Sure, emulation and CFWs were awesome but it was like opening Pandora's box, it hurt the system enough. Same could be said about the Dreamcast~.

But that said, releasing a console system with a region lock in this time and age has to be the most ****ing retarded thing ever. I can't fathom what the **** Nintendo was thinking when putting that in effect, with the sheer amount of games never making it outside of Japan, putting a region lock is like telling your customers you don't want (all) their money~.

@Matis, try http://www.cdmarket.com.ar/ . They aren't as cheap as they could be but their selection is good enough and they do tend to put lots of games on sale as time goes on. All they stock is NTSC stuff~.

I'll check that site, then. But things seem kinda...expensive. 425 USD for a 3DS is like a kick to the nuts. That's well over twice its original price, even taking into account shipping and tax(which should come to roughly...about 40% of the original price of the product, I believe?), that's far too much.

As for the 3DS getting hacked, no, I didn't mean while it was on sale. Rather, I want it to be hacked at some point in the future, after it's all done, so that they can take out the region lock if Nintendo doesn't do it first.

PS. At it's cheapest, I believe I can get a new 3DS for about 320 USD. Still
over twice its current price, but not as bad as $425.

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[Kaiser Sigma]

I pointed you to that site in term of games, which are priced expensive but more or less accessible unless you are buying in bulk from outside the countr. I believe consoles are all overpriced in Argentina unless you are buying from a wholesale seller. They are selling them for 385 USD though, not 425 (1694 pesos / 4,4 USD = 385). Unless you are importing you'll always pay well close to +150% of the original price that comes from taxes + shipping~.

[Matis]

Sadly, you are right. I'll probably end up having to import everything(though lately they have been blocking a LOT of imports for whatever reason. Thankfully a lot of techno stuff has lower taxes due to not having competition here, so I might luck out).

As for the Peso-Dollar exchange rate, due to the fluctuations that happened(quite regularly) for some time, some business simply adopted middlegrounds for the value of the USD. For example, if a single dollar was worth 3.9 at some point, they considered it to be worth 4, for the sake of simple math. On the other hand, the same would apply for 4.1, 4.2 and so on.

I haven't bought anything with USD in some time, though, so I don't know whether the practice is still in place.

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[Exophase]

Funny how much anti-emulation sentiment is on a site like this. I'd love to be able to emulate 3DS games I've legitimately bought, emulators can open up a lot of opportunities over playing the game on the original system.