Advice on water cooling

Hatorijr · June 4th, 2011, 01:30

Well after checking temps lately and looking at what i am about to put into the system, i have decided it would be a wise idea to finally look at water cooling the system against my earlier thoughts after i changed my mind originally.

I have a good idea about the components i might get but what do people suggest to cool down with water cooling, i am sure i will be water cooling my cpu and video cards but is there anything else people would recommend? I heard that you could water cooling your memory but that its not recommended as well due to how difficult it is to do.

I guess like overclocking, my concern here is that of making that one small mistake and destroying the entire system

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**n_w95482** · June 4th, 2011, 03:33

Those two are the only things worth watercooling now. What case do you have?

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redlofredlof · June 4th, 2011, 03:42

you need a full tower fire water coiling. sometimes you may even need to cut holes in your case. use distilled water as it does not conduct electricity.

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**n_w95482** · June 4th, 2011, 03:45

You don't necessarily need a full-tower case to watercool, although it definitely helps. I plan on using a mid-tower case and this when I switch my Opteron to water cooling.

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redlofredlof · June 4th, 2011, 03:52

full tower will help in reducing the bends in the tubing and increase water fllow, thus reducing the strain on the pump

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**n_w95482** · June 4th, 2011, 04:27

Get a Laing D5 pump. Problem solved.

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Phil · June 4th, 2011, 13:29

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Originally Posted by redlofredlof

full tower will help in reducing the bends in the tubing and increase water fllow, thus reducing the strain on the pump

As long as you have no 90 degree connections, this will never be a problem. Bends in the tubing is fine.

My tube going from pump to rad is almost bent in half. Absolutely no flow problems.

And yes only the videocard and cpu should be actively cooled. Cooling the northbridge is a bit overkill.

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Hatorijr · June 4th, 2011, 17:17

I am using the cooler master HAF X case, its designed for water cooling(has holes in the case for external systems like the one i plan to get) plus it can hold an internal system if you remove some of the upper case fans.

Reason why i am now considering water cooling is that the room the pc is in can get pretty hot sometimes for no reason at all and with summer closing in, it will spell trouble for my pc after i finish the build(last components are 2 590 gtx cards) and the fact i am overclocking the system would mean the potential to overheat the system easily i think and so i feel i probably have little option about what i can and can not do in this case.

p.s. Another question i have and have always wondered about, how do you know how much tubing you will need for your setup?

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Phil · June 6th, 2011, 12:23

Well it depends. I always buy a little extra. Because you will almost always cut the wrong size. A good rule of thumb is measure twice, then cut. But it's always good to have extra.

For my build, I bought 9 feet of Masterkleer, 6 feet of Feser.

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Hatorijr · June 6th, 2011, 23:51

i decided that to be absolutely safe, and the fact i have never done this before, i am buying 20 feet of tubing, its not that expensive so its not like the cost of the tubing will hurt me any.

my ram and video cards i ordered arrive this week and once those are in i can monitor for heat to see if i can even run the setup before i install the water cooling system lol.

Phil · June 7th, 2011, 06:44

What tubing did you buy btw?

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Hatorijr · June 8th, 2011, 00:34

not bought any of the water cooling stuff yet but i am buying everything from koolance, the stuff they have seems really good and have been the less confusing option i have yet to see so far :/.

Phil · June 8th, 2011, 04:24

Koolance is nice, but thay are a bit 2005-ish

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Hatorijr · June 8th, 2011, 12:58

well what would you suggest to use? never done water cooling before and most stuff i have seen was more confusing to deal with than what i was able to find with koolance so i am not exactly sure what the best/worse might be lol.

Hatorijr · June 12th, 2011, 17:52

well after the incident last night i have come to the realization that i can not use my 480 in this pc with my 590's until i water cool it, i went to open 3dmark 11 to test out everything and the pc up and shut down immediately before it finished loading, and would not do anything until it cooled down, i just got it all back up and about to test with just the 590's :/.

Phil · June 12th, 2011, 19:11

Which PSU do you have? Seems like you may be pulling to many amps.

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Princess Garnet · June 12th, 2011, 19:18

I was wondering that too, but two GeForce GTX 590s, a GeForce GTX 480, and an overclocked Core i7 980x... doesn't get much more demanding than that, so I was giving the benefit of the doubt that the PSU isn't a concern.

Since it had to cool down before restarting, I would guess temperatures before jumping to that conclusion.

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Phil · June 12th, 2011, 20:23

Well video cards have a high tdp. Having 3 doesn't mean the heat will skyrocket and make the computer shut down. They would throttle down (almost to the point of idling with the new 5o series circiutry.) But the computer shutting down points to the power supply. Soon as 3Dmark was ran, the Gou asked for more amps and the PSU possibly could not provide it. Notice his computer booted with the 480 out of the system.

If it is heat, he needs a drastically better case.

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**n_w95482** · June 13th, 2011, 04:22

I'm curious what the card's idle temperatures are. I remember when I first built my i7, I put my Audigy 2 right next to my Radeon's fan (yay for slot placement). The video card idled at around 94 C. Once I removed the sound card, it dropped down to 60 or so.

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Phil · June 13th, 2011, 04:34

The fan must have been blocked for it to shoot that high.

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June 4th, 2011, 01:30	#1
Hatorijr Emu Author Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 601	Advice on water cooling Well after checking temps lately and looking at what i am about to put into the system, i have decided it would be a wise idea to finally look at water cooling the system against my earlier thoughts after i changed my mind originally. I have a good idea about the components i might get but what do people suggest to cool down with water cooling, i am sure i will be water cooling my cpu and video cards but is there anything else people would recommend? I heard that you could water cooling your memory but that its not recommended as well due to how difficult it is to do. I guess like overclocking, my concern here is that of making that one small mistake and destroying the entire system .

June 4th, 2011, 03:42	#3
redlofredlof Uppercut Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: C:> Posts: 7,145	you need a full tower fire water coiling. sometimes you may even need to cut holes in your case. use distilled water as it does not conduct electricity. __________________ AMD A4 3.6GHz, 4GB 1333MHz RAM, HD 7480

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redlofredlof Uppercut Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: C:> Posts: 7,145	full tower will help in reducing the bends in the tubing and increase water fllow, thus reducing the strain on the pump __________________ AMD A4 3.6GHz, 4GB 1333MHz RAM, HD 7480

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June 4th, 2011, 03:33	#2
n_w95482 Gone Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 6,336	Those two are the only things worth watercooling now. What case do you have? __________________ Later.

June 4th, 2011, 03:45	#4
n_w95482 Gone Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 6,336	You don't necessarily need a full-tower case to watercool, although it definitely helps. I plan on using a mid-tower case and this when I switch my Opteron to water cooling. __________________ Later.

June 4th, 2011, 04:27	#6
n_w95482 Gone Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 6,336	Get a Laing D5 pump. Problem solved. __________________ Later.

June 4th, 2011, 17:17	#8
Hatorijr Emu Author Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 601	I am using the cooler master HAF X case, its designed for water cooling(has holes in the case for external systems like the one i plan to get) plus it can hold an internal system if you remove some of the upper case fans. Reason why i am now considering water cooling is that the room the pc is in can get pretty hot sometimes for no reason at all and with summer closing in, it will spell trouble for my pc after i finish the build(last components are 2 590 gtx cards) and the fact i am overclocking the system would mean the potential to overheat the system easily i think and so i feel i probably have little option about what i can and can not do in this case. p.s. Another question i have and have always wondered about, how do you know how much tubing you will need for your setup? Last edited by Hatorijr; June 5th, 2011 at 22:35..

June 6th, 2011, 12:23	#9
Phil 339.9 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 14,777	Well it depends. I always buy a little extra. Because you will almost always cut the wrong size. A good rule of thumb is measure twice, then cut. But it's always good to have extra. For my build, I bought 9 feet of Masterkleer, 6 feet of Feser. __________________ Vision is the art of seeing what is invisible to others

June 6th, 2011, 23:51	#10
Hatorijr Emu Author Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 601	i decided that to be absolutely safe, and the fact i have never done this before, i am buying 20 feet of tubing, its not that expensive so its not like the cost of the tubing will hurt me any. my ram and video cards i ordered arrive this week and once those are in i can monitor for heat to see if i can even run the setup before i install the water cooling system lol.

June 7th, 2011, 06:44	#11
Phil 339.9 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 14,777	What tubing did you buy btw? __________________ Vision is the art of seeing what is invisible to others

June 8th, 2011, 00:34	#12
Hatorijr Emu Author Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 601	not bought any of the water cooling stuff yet but i am buying everything from koolance, the stuff they have seems really good and have been the less confusing option i have yet to see so far :/.

June 8th, 2011, 04:24	#13
Phil 339.9 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 14,777	Koolance is nice, but thay are a bit 2005-ish __________________ Vision is the art of seeing what is invisible to others

June 8th, 2011, 12:58	#14
Hatorijr Emu Author Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 601	well what would you suggest to use? never done water cooling before and most stuff i have seen was more confusing to deal with than what i was able to find with koolance so i am not exactly sure what the best/worse might be lol.

June 12th, 2011, 17:52	#15
Hatorijr Emu Author Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 601	well after the incident last night i have come to the realization that i can not use my 480 in this pc with my 590's until i water cool it, i went to open 3dmark 11 to test out everything and the pc up and shut down immediately before it finished loading, and would not do anything until it cooled down, i just got it all back up and about to test with just the 590's :/.

June 12th, 2011, 19:11	#16
Phil 339.9 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 14,777	Which PSU do you have? Seems like you may be pulling to many amps. __________________ Vision is the art of seeing what is invisible to others

June 12th, 2011, 19:18	#17
Princess Garnet From Love and Limerence Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,557	I was wondering that too, but two GeForce GTX 590s, a GeForce GTX 480, and an overclocked Core i7 980x... doesn't get much more demanding than that, so I was giving the benefit of the doubt that the PSU isn't a concern. Since it had to cool down before restarting, I would guess temperatures before jumping to that conclusion. __________________ "The heart has it's reasons that reason knows nothing of."

June 12th, 2011, 20:23	#18
Phil 339.9 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 14,777	Well video cards have a high tdp. Having 3 doesn't mean the heat will skyrocket and make the computer shut down. They would throttle down (almost to the point of idling with the new 5o series circiutry.) But the computer shutting down points to the power supply. Soon as 3Dmark was ran, the Gou asked for more amps and the PSU possibly could not provide it. Notice his computer booted with the 480 out of the system. If it is heat, he needs a drastically better case. __________________ Vision is the art of seeing what is invisible to others

June 13th, 2011, 04:22	#19
n_w95482 Gone Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 6,336	I'm curious what the card's idle temperatures are. I remember when I first built my i7, I put my Audigy 2 right next to my Radeon's fan (yay for slot placement). The video card idled at around 94 C. Once I removed the sound card, it dropped down to 60 or so. __________________ Later.

June 13th, 2011, 04:34	#20
Phil 339.9 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 14,777	The fan must have been blocked for it to shoot that high. __________________ Vision is the art of seeing what is invisible to others