Overclocking my Amd Athlonx X4 635 2.9GHZ

Xblade · May 14th, 2011, 02:24

So yeah, I'm trying to do this and failing mis\er\rab\ly. Apparently my bios is locked(pre built hp pc) and none of the software overclcoking programs I've tried support it.

Halp?

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**n_w95482** · May 14th, 2011, 02:32

What software have you tried on it so far?

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Xblade · May 14th, 2011, 02:36

AMD overfail........umm...I honestly don't remember the others.

I tried alot.

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Kaizen · May 14th, 2011, 03:00

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Originally Posted by Annoying-Kuriboh

So yeah, I'm trying to do this and failing mis\er\rab\ly. Apparently my bios is locked(pre built hp pc) and none of the software overclcoking programs I've tried support it.

Halp?

Bad idea.

AMD chips suck a lot of juice when you up the clocks. You'll fry the prebuilt psu, really overheat the chip to breaking point (even my thermolabs baram with 2 fans struggles against AMD) and you have no unlocked multiplier so you'll hit a low wall.

It's not even worth trying. A higher clocked AMD quad isn't that fast anyways.

What you should do is go build a computer. Wait for BD though before committing to a new platform.

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Xblade · May 14th, 2011, 03:12

I replaced the psu ahwhile back when I upgraded my gpu >_>. I'm now using a 550 watt. According to all the sites I've read they were easily able to hit 3.8 ghz, I'm looking for 3.5 ghz myself.(would get me that extra juice I need for \no\ dips while using pcsx2.(they sometimes drop to the 50 fps range)

Halp?

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Princess Garnet · May 14th, 2011, 07:16

The PSU isn't the only concern. The motherboard is too. Especially with AMD platforms (namely with higher TDP CPUs on cheaper boards), the VRMs/MOSFETS and power circuitry of the board come into play (essentially think of it as the motherboard's PSU). Many low end brand name boards (namely MSI it seems), let alone OEM locked boards, likely don't have the flexibility to drive them higher (less/simpler phases, no MOSFET cooling, etc.). MOSFETs burn, pop, and even catch fire, and I'm not kidding.

My computer burst into flames! MSI 890GXM-G65 - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net

Why VRMs are a big issue & why to choose a "better" motherboard for high-TDP CPUs - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net

You have a 95W TDP CPU. Pushing it further is, well... probably pushing it on that motherboard.

Old programs would try and directly alter the ICS clock generator to overclock, but I'm not sure that method works as well these days, and is very iffy to begin with Stuff like "SetFSB" is your best bet.

Also consider the cooling.

If this is for performance, you really won't get much out of overclocking your run of the mill OEM board. It's more limited, less flixible, perhaps not possible, and far less practical, let alone the risks involved I'd forget it honestly.

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Xblade · May 14th, 2011, 07:38

This is the motherboard btw:
X

Unless newegg has the wrong info.

EDIT:

Apparently its this actually :\:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...ct=4216278#N80

I'm not familiar with motherboard specs.

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Princess Garnet · May 14th, 2011, 07:48

That looks more like an aftermarket board than an OEM board. That page also states that motherboard has overlcokcing, and you said yours was locked down?

It doesn't have your exact model (if that's it), but according to this, your motherboard is likely has a 3+1 phase setup, but has heatsinks (as the picture shows too). It does support up to a 125W TDP CPU, and your CPU is 95W TDP, so you could theorize there's headroom, but personally, I wouldn't try it (or if I did, I'd be talking like 300MHz at most, and then it wouldn't stay 24/7 but only for PCSX2 or whatnot). I don't think it'll catch fire if you so much as touch it, but I'd tell myself that the BIOS is likely locked for a reason (even if that's only part of it).

Edit: With that board, I'd say about the same applies, and that's pretty much forget it. It's an OEM and there's no MOSFET cooling and you're already at 95W TDP at stock, and who knows where when overclocked versus what the board can take.

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Xblade · May 14th, 2011, 07:49

All hp pavillion motherboards are locked from what I've heard. The psus they come with are bare minimum(this pc was running on a 250 watt psu before I upgraded to 550 watts while I put in a new gpu). I'm guessing they don't want people trying to overclock and blowing up the pc.

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Princess Garnet · May 14th, 2011, 08:01

That's part of it, yes. Most OEMs use reference/limited BIOS that don't expose clock/frequency control for stuff for overclocking.

The HP PSUs I don't know too much about, but I wager they're average. Some of their older Bestec stuff was a mixed bag (as in, gave off bad impressions). Watts means, well, squat, so just make sure that supposed 550W PSU was actually an improvement.

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Xblade · May 14th, 2011, 08:06

I've been running it since last year september, runs luke warm. o_o This psu apparently supports sli/crossfire(which I'm definitely not gonna try with it) so I think one radeon 4850 isn't pushing it.

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Phil · May 14th, 2011, 09:18

Why are you trying software overclocking?

The only way to oc an OEM machine is see if someone has made an unlocked BIOS for that specific model. Or go out on a limb and find a retail motherboard with nearly everything the same as yours and download the firmware and run it on your board. If not, then it's best to forget it.

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Xblade · May 14th, 2011, 09:20

..........but............

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Phil · May 14th, 2011, 09:25

You can always switch the motherboard out.

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Xblade · May 14th, 2011, 09:28

^Lol I know. I'm planning to upgrade my psu/motherboard/gpu(maybe cpu) early next year.

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Lasnap · May 14th, 2011, 10:40

Yeah HPs are locked down as I am currently running one that was left ehre after a client of mine just left it when I told her it had a dead harddrive. Its running a E2180 and I could easily replace it with something like a E8400 no problem so I know the system can take much higher clocks then this 2ghz I am stuck with. Well its better then the single core I was using before this. I have the cpu paired with a GTS250 and I replaced the psu with a 750watt one so I know thats good.

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Princess Garnet · May 14th, 2011, 12:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Annoying-Kuriboh

I've been running it since last year september, runs luke warm. o_o This psu apparently supports sli/crossfire(which I'm definitely not gonna try with it) so I think one radeon 4850 isn't pushing it.

Since it's an Ultra LSP 550 (as discussed in the other thread), it is probably pushing it.

An SLI claim from a PSU that has it's wattage inflated means nothing. Ultra pulled the same move with the Ultra X2 750W (a PSU that only output 364W when HardOCP tested it, by the way), so I wouldn't doubt they did it here too. A few months of it having not yet failed doesn't speak any volumes either. Heat just tells whether it's overheating.

I don't want to hassle you. If I'm coming off that way, I am sorry. I am simply trying to inform you. I'd just sit with it as it is for now. Between the PSU, the motherboard, and the upgrade coming down the pipe eventually, I wouldn't bother with it.

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May 14th, 2011, 02:24	#1
Xblade Eating your Future Join Date: May 2008 Location: The Shadow Realm. Posts: 8,108	Overclocking my Amd Athlonx X4 635 2.9GHZ So yeah, I'm trying to do this and failing mis\er\rab\ly. Apparently my bios is locked(pre built hp pc) and none of the software overclcoking programs I've tried support it. Halp? __________________

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May 14th, 2011, 02:32	#2
n_w95482 Gone Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 6,336	What software have you tried on it so far? __________________ Later.

May 14th, 2011, 02:36	#3
Xblade Eating your Future Join Date: May 2008 Location: The Shadow Realm. Posts: 8,108	AMD overfail........umm...I honestly don't remember the others. I tried alot. __________________

May 14th, 2011, 03:12	#5
Xblade Eating your Future Join Date: May 2008 Location: The Shadow Realm. Posts: 8,108	I replaced the psu ahwhile back when I upgraded my gpu >_>. I'm now using a 550 watt. According to all the sites I've read they were easily able to hit 3.8 ghz, I'm looking for 3.5 ghz myself.(would get me that extra juice I need for \no\ dips while using pcsx2.(they sometimes drop to the 50 fps range) Halp? __________________ Last edited by Xblade; May 14th, 2011 at 04:34..

May 14th, 2011, 07:16	#6
Princess Garnet From Love and Limerence Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,555	The PSU isn't the only concern. The motherboard is too. Especially with AMD platforms (namely with higher TDP CPUs on cheaper boards), the VRMs/MOSFETS and power circuitry of the board come into play (essentially think of it as the motherboard's PSU). Many low end brand name boards (namely MSI it seems), let alone OEM locked boards, likely don't have the flexibility to drive them higher (less/simpler phases, no MOSFET cooling, etc.). MOSFETs burn, pop, and even catch fire, and I'm not kidding. My computer burst into flames! MSI 890GXM-G65 - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net Why VRMs are a big issue & why to choose a "better" motherboard for high-TDP CPUs - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net You have a 95W TDP CPU. Pushing it further is, well... probably pushing it on that motherboard. Old programs would try and directly alter the ICS clock generator to overclock, but I'm not sure that method works as well these days, and is very iffy to begin with Stuff like "SetFSB" is your best bet. Also consider the cooling. If this is for performance, you really won't get much out of overclocking your run of the mill OEM board. It's more limited, less flixible, perhaps not possible, and far less practical, let alone the risks involved I'd forget it honestly. __________________ "The heart has it's reasons that reason knows nothing of."

May 14th, 2011, 07:38	#7
Xblade Eating your Future Join Date: May 2008 Location: The Shadow Realm. Posts: 8,108	This is the motherboard btw: X Unless newegg has the wrong info. EDIT: Apparently its this actually :\: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...ct=4216278#N80 I'm not familiar with motherboard specs. __________________

May 14th, 2011, 07:48	#8
Princess Garnet From Love and Limerence Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,555	That looks more like an aftermarket board than an OEM board. That page also states that motherboard has overlcokcing, and you said yours was locked down? It doesn't have your exact model (if that's it), but according to this, your motherboard is likely has a 3+1 phase setup, but has heatsinks (as the picture shows too). It does support up to a 125W TDP CPU, and your CPU is 95W TDP, so you could theorize there's headroom, but personally, I wouldn't try it (or if I did, I'd be talking like 300MHz at most, and then it wouldn't stay 24/7 but only for PCSX2 or whatnot). I don't think it'll catch fire if you so much as touch it, but I'd tell myself that the BIOS is likely locked for a reason (even if that's only part of it). Edit: With that board, I'd say about the same applies, and that's pretty much forget it. It's an OEM and there's no MOSFET cooling and you're already at 95W TDP at stock, and who knows where when overclocked versus what the board can take. __________________ "The heart has it's reasons that reason knows nothing of." Last edited by Princess Garnet; May 14th, 2011 at 07:58..

May 14th, 2011, 07:49	#9
Xblade Eating your Future Join Date: May 2008 Location: The Shadow Realm. Posts: 8,108	All hp pavillion motherboards are locked from what I've heard. The psus they come with are bare minimum(this pc was running on a 250 watt psu before I upgraded to 550 watts while I put in a new gpu). I'm guessing they don't want people trying to overclock and blowing up the pc. __________________ Last edited by Xblade; May 14th, 2011 at 07:55..

May 14th, 2011, 08:01	#10
Princess Garnet From Love and Limerence Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,555	That's part of it, yes. Most OEMs use reference/limited BIOS that don't expose clock/frequency control for stuff for overclocking. The HP PSUs I don't know too much about, but I wager they're average. Some of their older Bestec stuff was a mixed bag (as in, gave off bad impressions). Watts means, well, squat, so just make sure that supposed 550W PSU was actually an improvement. __________________ "The heart has it's reasons that reason knows nothing of."

May 14th, 2011, 08:06	#11
Xblade Eating your Future Join Date: May 2008 Location: The Shadow Realm. Posts: 8,108	I've been running it since last year september, runs luke warm. o_o This psu apparently supports sli/crossfire(which I'm definitely not gonna try with it) so I think one radeon 4850 isn't pushing it. __________________

May 14th, 2011, 09:18	#12
Phil 339.9 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 14,777	Why are you trying software overclocking? The only way to oc an OEM machine is see if someone has made an unlocked BIOS for that specific model. Or go out on a limb and find a retail motherboard with nearly everything the same as yours and download the firmware and run it on your board. If not, then it's best to forget it. __________________ Vision is the art of seeing what is invisible to others

May 14th, 2011, 09:20	#13
Xblade Eating your Future Join Date: May 2008 Location: The Shadow Realm. Posts: 8,108	..........but............ __________________

May 14th, 2011, 09:25	#14
Phil 339.9 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 14,777	You can always switch the motherboard out. __________________ Vision is the art of seeing what is invisible to others

May 14th, 2011, 09:28	#15
Xblade Eating your Future Join Date: May 2008 Location: The Shadow Realm. Posts: 8,108	^Lol I know. I'm planning to upgrade my psu/motherboard/gpu(maybe cpu) early next year. __________________

May 14th, 2011, 10:40	#16
Lasnap Elven-Dragon Mage Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,870	Yeah HPs are locked down as I am currently running one that was left ehre after a client of mine just left it when I told her it had a dead harddrive. Its running a E2180 and I could easily replace it with something like a E8400 no problem so I know the system can take much higher clocks then this 2ghz I am stuck with. Well its better then the single core I was using before this. I have the cpu paired with a GTS250 and I replaced the psu with a 750watt one so I know thats good. __________________ Love Knows No Bounds!