Getting fired from my new job already, over a load of BS! (posted April 1st)

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It was already the second here when you posted that (GMT+7). Damn I absolutely fell for it. Congrats on the new job though

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Originally Posted by verboten999

It was already the second here when you posted that (GMT+7). Damn I absolutely fell for it. Congrats on the new job though

A lot of pranks played on my friends over the years was done on the 31st or 2nd when they weren't expecting it.

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Originally Posted by lagunareturns

it just comes to show how stupid, dumb and self-centred chicks are.... especially hate it when it ends up her word against yours.... thankfully in my situation my word won over hers, but thats because i have a proven track record....

still i wish i had a super charged cattle prod and unleash it on these girls... yeah women needs rights, they fight for it, get it and they are they ones abuse such rights.... kinda makes me wish women never get into power, sure guys lie but they can feel remorse and admit to their lies, women can lie and go on living the lie like if was true for their rest of their life and feel zero remorse

I agree with this. I'm sure the pussiewhipped crowd would say "You're words are harsh" or "Not all women are blah blah blah blah...". The fact is that in most ****ries (pun intended) where the primary language is English (US and AU are major ones), women have more "rights" then what they really need. In fact, they aren't rights at all. It's called unnecessary privileges, empowerment and entitlement. That's what the feminist movement was about all along. It NEVER was about equality at the top level. Granted, equality is important and is a basic right of every human, but their version of it is ridiculous. For them, what it all boils down to is money (because in this day and age, you have to have that to have any power or dominance these days), and the love of money is the root of all evil.

And yes, when it's a man's word against a woman's word, 90% of the time, the man loses. Sounds ridiculous? Yes. Fact of life? Yes indeed. The false image generated by society and popular beleif that women are all (or mostly) innocent angels who can do no wrong is BS as they can do some of the most horrific things that not even I could think of, such as chopping up her husband and feeding him to the pigs.

True story #1: A man working at some random company gets involved with a woman at work and they are dating. The man wants out of the relationship, and the woman goes ballistic. The next day, the woman makes a completely bulls@#% story of sexual harassment against him. Without question, he gets fired and they don't even bother to hear his story.

True story #2: Some guy named Derrick where I stay at allegedly makes an obscene gesture at another housemate Joan who is a lesbian. Was Joan mad or offended by what allegedly happened? No, but someone else (yes, a woman and another guy who has a weakness for women) blows it out of proportion and Derrick gets kicked out. Even Joan herself was against the verdict, but all because of a damn woman, the guy was out on the streets. Fortunately, the BS decision was overruled and he got back in.

And people wonder why I don't get involved with women at the work place, at all.

And as sexist as this may sound (I officially don't give a phuck what anyone says anymore so I'm not even going to use that line), I fully agree with the last paragraph 98% at the very least. Put 'em in power out of sympathy, and what happens? They try to turns the tables out of their emotionally driven rage and self justified hatred whenever there's a hint of gender related tension. The term "forgiveness" goes a long way. You don't see the black people trying to get revenge on the white people for the 100s of years of phucking slavery, do you? So why take out frustrations on innocent people? There's no logical reason for this.

The fact is, women have never really had it THAT bad and full blown female oppression is a downright myth. Yes, there was a rather strong gender bias at one point, but there was nothing stopping women from being successful. Minorities in the US didn't have the opportunity to learn or get educated, but that didn't stop Fredrick Douglass and countless others. These days, women limit themselves saying "We don't have the opportunities as men..." when they have even MORE opportunities then men. That's why I feel absolutely no sympathy for any woman that claims she can't be successful. Seriously, they get more sympathy then the countless races and ethnic groups that have been denied basic rights for hundreds of years, and even then, they fought for their rights honourably. Sorry for ranting, but this level of BS summons my rage.

Originally Posted by Ahielia

I suppose it's because women really can be that cruel, thickheaded and egotistical.

Originally Posted by Strike105X

Especially fat ones.

+1.

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Nothing stops women being successful, heck women can be more successful more easily than man... the fact is they dont try, or try no where near as hard guys do... they expect everything should be easy for them, and when its not they blame it on their gender

i know a girl who just works really hard, and doesn't waste all her money on fashion and jewellery and at the age of 23 she own 3 houses and 5 cars....\

also the mostly bs about getting paid less than guys, guys dont do the same work as them, girls work casually as a receptionist and its ok but when a guy busts his but on the same job, does a bit of accounting and management as well, gets paid extra for his hard work, straight away when the girl finds out he earns, they chuck a spaz

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Originally Posted by lagunareturns

Nothing stops women being successful, heck women can be more successful more easily than man... the fact is they dont try, or try no where near as hard guys do... they expect everything should be easy for them, and when its not they blame it on their gender

That's not something women control. Females are -by nature- like that. Females who are not are either exception to the rule, or want to be like that but are too fat/ugly/stupid to be, so they have to try to earn their living while they don't want to.


Another problem here is those "feminists". Now, I am not against equality, on the contrary. Unfortunately not all people are equal, should not be and cannot be.

A mentally retarded person for example should not have the same treatment as everyone else. If that happens then that person will end up starving to death cause of missing capabilities that the rest world expect most people to have.
A person unlucky enough to be born in a poor family on a country filled with war will not be able to have the chances other people, from richer countries will have. Now, this is not fair, I don't like it, but it happens and will continue to happen.

Most "feminists" say "equality" and they mean the exact opposite. They expect "men" to take the blame, to work more and do what women usually do. When the time comes for those to do what "men" usually do they end up unable to and even expect you (the man) to do that too (along with everything else).


Now, don't get this wrong cause I mostly wrote stuff about women. There are exceptions (fortunately). Most men are ****tards too anyway, but there are exceptions there too. It's just that the world would be a better place if the exceptions, the minority, became the majority and vice versa.

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Originally Posted by blueshogun96

I agree with this. I'm sure the pussiewhipped crowd would say "You're words are harsh" or "Not all women are blah blah blah blah...". The fact is that in most ****ries (pun intended) where the primary language is English (US and AU are major ones), women have more "rights" then what they really need. In fact, they aren't rights at all. It's called unnecessary privileges, empowerment and entitlement. That's what the feminist movement was about all along. It NEVER was about equality at the top level. Granted, equality is important and is a basic right of every human, but their version of it is ridiculous. For them, what it all boils down to is money (because in this day and age, you have to have that to have any power or dominance these days), and the love of money is the root of all evil.

And yes, when it's a man's word against a woman's word, 90% of the time, the man loses. Sounds ridiculous? Yes. Fact of life? Yes indeed. The false image generated by society and popular beleif that women are all (or mostly) innocent angels who can do no wrong is BS as they can do some of the most horrific things that not even I could think of, such as chopping up her husband and feeding him to the pigs.

True story #1: A man working at some random company gets involved with a woman at work and they are dating. The man wants out of the relationship, and the woman goes ballistic. The next day, the woman makes a completely bulls@#% story of sexual harassment against him. Without question, he gets fired and they don't even bother to hear his story.

True story #2: Some guy named Derrick where I stay at allegedly makes an obscene gesture at another housemate Joan who is a lesbian. Was Joan mad or offended by what allegedly happened? No, but someone else (yes, a woman and another guy who has a weakness for women) blows it out of proportion and Derrick gets kicked out. Even Joan herself was against the verdict, but all because of a damn woman, the guy was out on the streets. Fortunately, the BS decision was overruled and he got back in.

And people wonder why I don't get involved with women at the work place, at all.

And as sexist as this may sound (I officially don't give a phuck what anyone says anymore so I'm not even going to use that line), I fully agree with the last paragraph 98% at the very least. Put 'em in power out of sympathy, and what happens? They try to turns the tables out of their emotionally driven rage and self justified hatred whenever there's a hint of gender related tension. The term "forgiveness" goes a long way. You don't see the black people trying to get revenge on the white people for the 100s of years of phucking slavery, do you? So why take out frustrations on innocent people? There's no logical reason for this.

The fact is, women have never really had it THAT bad and full blown female oppression is a downright myth. Yes, there was a rather strong gender bias at one point, but there was nothing stopping women from being successful. Minorities in the US didn't have the opportunity to learn or get educated, but that didn't stop Fredrick Douglass and countless others. These days, women limit themselves saying "We don't have the opportunities as men..." when they have even MORE opportunities then men. That's why I feel absolutely no sympathy for any woman that claims she can't be successful. Seriously, they get more sympathy then the countless races and ethnic groups that have been denied basic rights for hundreds of years, and even then, they fought for their rights honourably. Sorry for ranting, but this level of BS summons my rage.




+1.

That is a wealth of information right there.

I have therfore sworn off ALL women, as they are conniving evil doers. Banish them to hell!


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Hmm




OH NOES!! HERE COMES SNICKO'S HOT COUSIN!!!


As a red blooded male, I have control over this situation.

I shall Ignore her.

"HI!"


God. What should I do!???? She's evil. She will take my money! I don't want he, I dont want ANYTHING to do with her.


Snikothemules Hot Cousin:

Ok, you asked for it




OH *****. Screw the pact, ILL TAKE HER!!!


Anyway, what Bree said is true. not all girls are evil. How can you judge a person on how the public at large perceives them to be? Try it out. Some girl are pretty cool to hang around, even some ones on this very forum.


Btw, Snicko if she really is your cousin then I sorry for putting her in the spotlight, and on top of that, I am your best friend.

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Originally Posted by Phil

Anyway, what Bree said is true. not all girls are evil. How can you judge a person on how the public at large perceives them to be? Try it out. Some girl are pretty cool to hang around, even some ones on this very forum.

Agreed. A good amount of guys are jackasses as well. But like girls, not all of them are. Intersex people would be the worst of both worlds, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by lagunareturns

it just comes to show how stupid, dumb and self-centred chicks are....

Don't make absolute statements about things that aren't absolute. Either put the word "some" after "self-centered", and/or replace the word "are" with "can be". You do not further your agenda by exaggerating. You only end up making it look worse for yourself.

Originally Posted by lagunareturns

especially hate it when it ends up her word against yours.... thankfully in my situation my word won over hers, but thats because i have a proven track record....

still i wish i had a super charged cattle prod and unleash it on these girls...

Ah, so you're just letting some emotions loose due to an experience? You know, the very thing you blast women for?

Originally Posted by lagunareturns

yeah women needs rights, they fight for it, get it and they are they ones abuse such rights....

Can you clarify/explain this please?

Just as a note, again, don't make absolutes, and this is not a gender specific thing.

Originally Posted by lagunareturns

kinda makes me wish women never get into power,

As with the above, can you explain this? If anything, there's more an argument against you here, because there's likely more men "in position messing things up" than women.

Originally Posted by lagunareturns

sure guys lie but they can feel remorse and admit to their lies, women can lie and go on living the lie like if was true for their rest of their life and feel zero remorse

Alot of the word "can" in there, and again, we're back to making absolutes, are we?

I'm just going to say it now.

Stop blasting over half the worlds population on an absolute for the things "some" people "can" do!

It's so nice to know that guys never lie, or if they do, the feel remorse and everything is forgiven. It's so nice to know that all women lie without remorse.

Pick your battles. What you're speaking of has no restriction to being gender specific.

Originally Posted by lagunareturns

Nothing stops women being successful, heck women can be more successful more easily than man...

Can you provide some examples, arguments, and/or sources for that last part, or is this just more spouting of nonsense?

Originally Posted by lagunareturns

the fact is they dont try, or try no where near as hard guys do... they expect everything should be easy for them, and when its not they blame it on their gender

Excuse me!?

Originally Posted by lagunareturns

i know a girl who just works really hard, and doesn't waste all her money on fashion and jewellery and at the age of 23 she own 3 houses and 5 cars....\

Right, because how many houses and cars you own is a big sign of success. It shows where priorities are for men. I didn't mean that last one, but see how easy it is for me to do what you just did?

Originally Posted by lagunareturns

also the mostly bs about getting paid less than guys, guys dont do the same work as them, girls work casually as a receptionist and its ok but when a guy busts his but on the same job, does a bit of accounting and management as well, gets paid extra for his hard work, straight away when the girl finds out he earns, they chuck a spaz

Just for reference, I don't listen to extremist feminists spouting what they do, but rather articles and research done on it, you know, the ones that compare the same positions, not "different work", and still show women making less on average? The complaint doesn't come from one job making less than another (although that balance is seriously messed up too). It comes from the same work. Of course, there could be other small differences thrown in, but from the articles and such I see, women do, on average, make less for mostly the same work.

Originally Posted by Ahielia

I suppose it's because women really can be that cruel, thickheaded and egotistical.

Replace "women" with "people", or even with "guys", and it makes just as much sense.

Originally Posted by blueshogun96

I agree with this. I'm sure the pussiewhipped crowd would say "You're words are harsh" or "Not all women are blah blah blah blah...". The fact is that in most ****ries (pun intended) where the primary language is English (US and AU are major ones), women have more "rights" then what they really need.

It has more to do with perception than it does rights. You have half of a point here, but you lose it when you blame women on the whole and not the public/perception where it stems from.

Originally Posted by blueshogun96

In fact, they aren't rights at all. It's called unnecessary privileges, empowerment and entitlement. That's what the feminist movement was about all along. It NEVER was about equality at the top level. Granted, equality is important and is a basic right of every human, but their version of it is ridiculous. For them, what it all boils down to is money (because in this day and age, you have to have that to have any power or dominance these days), and the love of money is the root of all evil.

And yes, when it's a man's word against a woman's word, 90% of the time, the man loses. Sounds ridiculous? Yes. Fact of life? Yes indeed. The false image generated by society and popular beleif that women are all (or mostly) innocent angels who can do no wrong is BS as they can do some of the most horrific things that not even I could think of, such as chopping up her husband and feeding him to the pigs.

I agree with alot of this, but though it wasn't said, if there was supposed to be an underlying tone of "them" being "women" on the whole, then again, you lost it all. Though you're not being as unreasonable as the other poster, you're also making absolutes. I can't speak for any extremist feminist groups, and I can't deny what an example of girl A may or may not do, but to me, your credibility all goes out as soon as you make it an absolute against all women.

What is with this obsession some have of pegging an entire gender with everything? I think there might be underlying issues I should dig into, and then turn around and blame all men for it. That's essentially what you two are doing. If you had bad experiences, then my regards, but it doesn't excuse that.

Originally Posted by blueshogun96

And as sexist as this may sound (I officially don't give a phuck what anyone says anymore so I'm not even going to use that line), I fully agree with the last paragraph 98% at the very least. Put 'em in power out of sympathy, and what happens? They try to turns the tables out of their emotionally driven rage and self justified hatred whenever there's a hint of gender related tension.

This is not just a gender specific thing (it may play a small part in some cases, yes, but I'm not excusing absolutes). It's more attributed to humans as a whole.

Originally Posted by blueshogun96

The term "forgiveness" goes a long way. You don't see the black people trying to get revenge on the white people for the 100s of years of phucking slavery, do you? So why take out frustrations on innocent people? There's no logical reason for this.

There is no logical reason for it, but again, you're making an absolute. You're also comparing two different things. In the case of the former, with slavery, they didn't experience it (except through maybe stories, in which case, yes, I have witnessed examples of some Black people doing that, but do I hold anything against Black people on the whole for it!? no!). With the latter, they're letting, as you said, tension from experience out, kind of exactly like what you're doing, no? Some of it may be in the gender arena, but it's not an absolute nor limited to that.

Originally Posted by blueshogun96

The fact is, women have never really had it THAT bad and full blown female oppression is a downright myth.

Oh, really? Were you a woman living at the time? Are you aware of some of things they had to endure? At some points and in some places, they were essentially property to a man. It does not get worse than that! Come to think of it, some men today still view women that way (though the woman is also to be faulted for allowing it).

Originally Posted by blueshogun96

These days, women limit themselves saying "We don't have the opportunities as men..." when they have even MORE opportunities then men. That's why I feel absolutely no sympathy for any woman that claims she can't be successful. Seriously, they get more sympathy then the countless races and ethnic groups that have been denied basic rights for hundreds of years, and even then, they fought for their rights honourably. Sorry for ranting, but this level of BS summons my rage.

Again, I can agree with alot of this, but blueshogun96, I love you and all, but you really throw it all out when you tack the entirety of that on women as a whole. Again, stop making absolutes. That is your problem. The irony of it is you do it out of distaste from your own experience, which is the same thing which stems women who do alot of this garbage you speak of.

Bottom line is, some girls are "bad" and some are not, just as some guys are "bad" and some are not. Just ignore gender and interact with them as another person. Gender can (and does, and always will) play a role, but if you go in biased against someone because of that, you're both only losing out.

Oh, and by the way, it's hard to tell when that was posted in my time zone because NGEmu uses the time stamping of "X days/weeks/years ago" rather than the specific time, but it's now the very early 4th, and my post says "1 day ago" for me now, so even assuming it's about to change to "2 days ago", I think that means I posted on the second. If you posted that on the firs, it had to have been the late of it, and is you're in one of the latest time zones, many others were in the second. You didn't succeed when it's not done on the first.

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Originally Posted by lagunareturns

Nothing stops women being successful, heck women can be more successful more easily than man... the fact is they dont try, or try no where near as hard guys do... they expect everything should be easy for them, and when its not they blame it on their gender

That's the average western woman in a nutshell. Either they moan and b!tch that they can't due to lack of opportunity, or expect it to come on a silver platter.

Originally Posted by lagunareturns

also the mostly bs about getting paid less than guys, guys dont do the same work as them, girls work casually as a receptionist and its ok but when a guy busts his but on the same job, does a bit of accounting and management as well, gets paid extra for his hard work, straight away when the girl finds out he earns, they chuck a spaz

I'm glad I'm not the only one who realizes (and is not afraid to express his opinion about) this BS. As far as the work place goes, women can get paid for less work. The military is a perfect and prime example. The men in the military usually do all the grunt work, while the woman just barks orders or sits in an office, regardless of her rank. Phuck that version of equality. On top of that, women call in sick TWICE as much as men, and yet STILL get paid as much as, or even more then men do. Does that sound equal to you? Hell no.

Originally Posted by PsyMan

Another problem here is those "feminists". Now, I am not against equality, on the contrary. Unfortunately not all people are equal, should not be and cannot be.

Now, when you realize the true goals of feminism and that it never was about true equality to begin with, that line saying "I'm not against equality" will no longer apply to this subject.

Originally Posted by PsyMan

A mentally retarded person for example should not have the same treatment as everyone else. If that happens then that person will end up starving to death cause of missing capabilities that the rest world expect most people to have.

Excellent analogy. Not saying women are retarded, but feminazis have no business receiving special treatment, or political power.

Originally Posted by PsyMan

Most "feminists" say "equality" and they mean the exact opposite. They expect "men" to take the blame, to work more and do what women usually do. When the time comes for those to do what "men" usually do they end up unable to and even expect you (the man) to do that too (along with everything else).

QFT (Quoted For Truth).

Originally Posted by PsyMan

Now, don't get this wrong cause I mostly wrote stuff about women. There are exceptions (fortunately). Most men are ****tards too anyway, but there are exceptions there too. It's just that the world would be a better place if the exceptions, the minority, became the majority and vice versa.

I agree with this too. Too many pussiewhipped manginas out there that are either brainwashed into being women's slaves or to pussified to speak out against feminism because they fear that women won't like them and therefore reduce their chances of getting laid.

I guess some of you guys aren't so pussiewhipped after all. Proved me wrong...

Originally Posted by Phil

That is a wealth of information right there.

I have therfore sworn off ALL women, as they are conniving evil doers. Banish them to hell!


Goes merrily along my way ♫

Hmm




OH NOES!! HERE COMES SNICKO'S HOT COUSIN!!!


As a red blooded male, I have control over this situation.

I shall Ignore her.

"HI!"


God. What should I do!???? She's evil. She will take my money! I don't want he, I dont want ANYTHING to do with her.


Snikothemules Hot Cousin:

Ok, you asked for it




OH *****. Screw the pact, ILL TAKE HER!!!

You're mocking me again... aren't you?

Btw, "snicko's hot cousin" is going to have to do better than that if she wants me. I don't give a damn how hot you are or how hot society says she is, coming at me with slutty advances isn't going to work because being attractive itself can be a major red flag. Looks alone aren't enough for me to totally deny logical thought and factual evidence.

Originally Posted by Phil

Anyway, what Bree said is true. not all girls are evil. How can you judge a person on how the public at large perceives them to be? Try it out. Some girl are pretty cool to hang around, even some ones on this very forum.

Yeah, I know I know, but this statement is getting tired and has been used over and over again to the point where it has little to no validity anymore, especially when I've said it myself. Not all girls are evil (and I never claimed such), and most definitely, not all of them are angels either. People take the above statement as it's a general rule to all women and that very few of them are evil.

I've said this before, and I'll say this again. Take a look at these percentages pertaining to the US:

1. The divorce rate is 50%, and roughly 66-70% of divorces are initiated by women.
2. Not 10, not 20, but 30% of women commit paternity fraud.
3. Last time I checked, domestic violence is initiated by women 55% of the time. Yes, I know it's a rather small margin over men, but the fact is that women do this much more then portrayed by society.

I'm not calling women evil at all, but given the statistics, there is something seriously wrong with them in western culture. When I say things of this nature, I'm generally speaking. I won't stoop to the feminazi level saying that "all are like this and that" because two wrongs don't make a right. While they're constantly preaching "End violence against women", at the same time their saying "Start violence against men" indirectly. Why is this so hard for people to see this?

I'm sorry, but I can't help it if I'd rather play it safe with the "enemy until proven ally" mindset. Saved my life numerous times. And I honestly have more important things to worry about rather than finding out which women are cool to hang out with and which ones are not. I have better things to utilize my time with and at this point, I don't get much of it to myself, even on the weekends.

Spoiler:

I put this in a spoiler so that people don't b@#%& about religion again without a f@#%ing fair warning. These are my favourite scriptures of the Bible:

"[It is] better to dwell in the corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman and in a wide house." - Proverbs 25:24
"It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman." - Proverbs 21:19

America is full of these and you can't pay me to be with one, nor do I have the time to go out looking for one of decent caliber.

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lol im not mocking you BSG. It was just a parody of sorts.

Everything you say has a good point.


But can you truthfully degenerate a woman on the street that you see.....and mark her with statistics? Are any human for that matter.

95% of Arabs are Muslims. 80% of United States think Muslims are terrorists. So are they guilty until proven innocent? Whatever happened to live and let live.

If you want to find the worse in someone, you will find it. If you want to look past the BS and find the good in a person, then you will find it, and be a better person because it. Nothing about humans should be boiler plated, bet yet it happens because we have a fetish for providing labels to people who we judge without ever hearing their plea.

I know that lots of women have infidelities. And some could be mean. One woman accused me of trying to hurt her child at the mall (her little girl was playing in the tracks of an automatic door, and i happened to walk in, and when the door slid open, it knocked her little girl over. She called security and they immediatly sided with her. I mean excuse me? But that is an isolated incident though.

Men have infidelities as well. When you hang out with a random group of guys, how many say they have only one partner, and will not touch another? Probably none.

Just today at work one of my coworkers learned that I had turned down a girl for a relationship, and what's the first thing he asked?

"If you didn't want a relationship, that's cool, but did you at least ***** her? If not, then that's a wasted opportunity".

The media drills that into our heads, if you are not having sex multiple times a week, if you don't have access to a nympho, then you sir, are a loser. Seriously, it's like social suicide to go against that notion.

There is absolutely no free lunch. Both sides have fallacy, as BigIg said. Women can make our lives hell, we can make their lives hell as well.

How about we try to make it better, rather than not trying at all? You will never get above the crowd if you never stretch your neck.

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Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

Ah, so you're just letting some emotions loose due to an experience? You know, the very thing you blast women for?

I can't speak for him personally, but men in general usually don't base their decisions on one bad experience. Women seem to do it more often.

Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

Can you clarify/explain this please?

Just as a note, again, don't make absolutes, and this is not a gender specific thing.

I thought this was obvious. Women in general are constantly proclaiming that the workplace, gender roles and other things of that nature are unfair to them. Then when those things change and when they receive elevated privileges in that area, there can and will be those that abuse it and use it against whoever she sees as a threat or an oppressor! Western women are known for committing vengeful and vindictive actions. Just so you know, I'm not making an absolute here. I'm making a general statement, not labeling anyone as a whole.

Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

As with the above, can you explain this? If anything, there's more an argument against you here, because there's likely more men "in position messing things up" than women.

My previous statement covers the first sentence, but the latter makes me sick to my stomach. You talk as if men are more likely to be evil doers then women as if they aren't capable of such. This is the mindset I'm against so much. Men and women are quite corrupt, but corruption with women is either sugar coated or falsely portrayed.

Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

Alot of the word "can" in there, and again, we're back to making absolutes, are we?

I'm just going to say it now.

Stop blasting over half the worlds population on an absolute for the things "some" people "can" do!

It's so nice to know that guys never lie, or if they do, the feel remorse and everything is forgiven. It's so nice to know that all women lie without remorse.

Pick your battles. What you're speaking of has no restriction to being gender specific.

I agree with this statement, once again, people talk as if women aren't capable of this. There are countless women who commit preternity fraud, murders of their boyfriends/husbands and lie about it for years without remorse. I hear stories of it all the time.

Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

Can you provide some examples, arguments, and/or sources for that last part, or is this just more spouting of nonsense?

Once again, I thought this was obvious enough. Think about this. The amount of support that women receive to start businesses is astounding. I've been researching business startup opportunities for years, and the #1 specially recognized area of business development is for WOMEN. Not necessarily a bad thing, but these days, you don't see as many special programs, grants or loans for minorities, do you? That's just only one example of how women have it very well in the US and western culture.

Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

Excuse me!?

Not making any absolutes, but I've seen alot of them do this.

Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

Right, because how many houses and cars you own is a big sign of success. It shows where priorities are for men. I didn't mean that last one, but see how easy it is for me to do what you just did?

Humans are very materialistic, so the definition of success these days amounts to such material things.

Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

Replace "women" with "people", or even with "guys", and it makes just as much sense.

I think he was just joking.

Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

It has more to do with perception than it does rights. You have half of a point here, but you lose it when you blame women on the whole and not the public/perception where it stems from.

Once again, people assume that I label all women as a whole. I don't, I generalize instead. There's a difference. When I say "generally speaking" or "in general", I'm talking about a large percentage that is increasingly growing either slowly or exponentially. Also, a large percentage doesn't necessarily mean over 50% either.

Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

I agree with alot of this, but though it wasn't said, if there was supposed to be an underlying tone of "them" being "women" on the whole, then again, you lost it all. Though you're not being as unreasonable as the other poster, you're also making absolutes.

I can't speak for any extremist feminist groups, and I can't deny what an example of girl A may or may not do, but to me, your credibility all goes out as soon as you make it an absolute against all women.

What is with this obsession some have of pegging an entire gender with everything? I think there might be underlying issues I should dig into, and then turn around and blame all men for it. That's essentially what you two are doing. If you had bad experiences, then my regards, but it doesn't excuse that.[/QUOTE]
My previous statement(s) applies here.

Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

This is not just a gender specific thing (it may play a small part in some cases, yes, but I'm not excusing absolutes). It's more attributed to humans as a whole.

That's the observation I see so far, maybe I should have stated that before.

Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

There is no logical reason for it, but again, you're making an absolute. You're also comparing two different things. In the case of the former, with slavery, they didn't experience it (except through maybe stories, in which case, yes, I have witnessed examples of some Black people doing that, but do I hold anything against Black people on the whole for it!? no!). With the latter, they're letting, as you said, tension from experience out, kind of exactly like what you're doing, no? Some of it may be in the gender arena, but it's not an absolute nor limited to that.

Honestly, I think it's a very similar comparison in some ways. Once again, this is a generalization I'm making. I have seen black people who wish they could get revenge for the slave days, but logically speaking, those who enslaved them are long dead, and there's no point in taking vengeance on innocent decedents. That's what feminism is doing though, and it's highly promoted, why is that?

Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

Oh, really? Were you a woman living at the time? Are you aware of some of things they had to endure? At some points and in some places, they were essentially property to a man. It does not get worse than that! Come to think of it, some men today still view women that way (though the woman is also to be faulted for allowing it).

I'm still not convinced that women had it that bad. Being considered property is another thing black people can relate to (another reason I used it as a comparison), and quite frankly, women weren't considered slaves, although they may have been treated as such. Think about this, back then, women generally didn't have to do any back breaking labour such as digging ditches, building railroads, buildings and other structures, the men did that so they wouldn't have to. They earned the salary to keep clothes on her back, food on her table, a roof on her head (some of which were also build by the man) and protection from harm and danger. What did the man generally want in return? To come home to a clean house and maybe dinner. That's not too hard compared to full blown labour, is it? I'd say the hardest thing a woman had to do was raise children while the man went out and worked his ass off for them all. So quite frankly, I disagree.

Were there abusive husbands back then? Yes, and I'm sure the numbers were higher then they are today. Were women oppressed? I very much doubt it. Compare the every day life of a slave to a woman back then, and you'll notice a major difference.

Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

Again, I can agree with alot of this, but blueshogun96, I love you and all, but you really throw it all out when you tack the entirety of that on women as a whole. Again, stop making absolutes. That is your problem. The irony of it is you do it out of distaste from your own experience, which is the same thing which stems women who do alot of this garbage you speak of.

Bottom line is, some girls are "bad" and some are not, just as some guys are "bad" and some are not. Just ignore gender and interact with them as another person. Gender can (and does, and always will) play a role, but if you go in biased against someone because of that, you're both only losing out.

I love you too, Lady Garnett, but for the last time, I don't make absolutes. If I were, then my attitude would be entirely different and I would therefore be considered sexist. I'm not, but I'm just fed up with the BS from that one side. Quite frankly, western society doesn't widely recognize what I've been trying to say. Also, I don't go by my own experiences entirely. I learn from other people's experiences and advice as well as studies statistics done by various sources. This is what I base my conclusions off of. I don't claim that it applies to all women, but a certain percentage which may or may not be larger than 50%. The way you talk, you sound as if these "bad" women are far and few. I highly disagree. There are LOTS of women out there of this nature. I see it all the time, and not just gold diggers. Just because a woman has never married a man for his money doesn't mean she won't do it. Some of them just never get the opportunity to do so, therefore they don't. Don't get me wrong, western men are just as awful as women can be. The general mindset that "getting laid" is the greatest pleasure and therefore the #1 priority in life is quite appalling as well as the need to dominate everything.

I treat everyone the same, simply because they are human. If I met you face to face, I wouldn't treat you differently because you are a woman or just assume that you are a lowly gold digger either, I'm just not afraid to say that I the ratio of good women to bad women is different then what people say it is. I don't see everything as "man vs woman", but women are getting more competitive so therefore, I DO have to defend myself as a man from the brainwashing of feminism and it's ideology.

One can seem like a nice person on the outside, but really be a back stabbing murder on the inside. I can't help it if I have a defensive mindset.

Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

Oh, and by the way, it's hard to tell when that was posted in my time zone because NGEmu uses the time stamping of "X days/weeks/years ago" rather than the specific time, but it's now the very early 4th, and my post says "1 day ago" for me now, so even assuming it's about to change to "2 days ago", I think that means I posted on the second. If you posted that on the firs, it had to have been the late of it, and is you're in one of the latest time zones, many others were in the second. You didn't succeed when it's not done on the first.

In my time zone, I still win! All other time zones are inferior!

Originally Posted by Phil

But can you truthfully degenerate a woman on the street that you see.....and mark her with statistics? Are any human for that matter.

That's just it, I don't.

95% of Arabs are Muslims. 80% of United States think Muslims are terrorists. So are they guilty until proven innocent? Whatever happened to live and let live.

Like I said, I don't go by everything society tells me to live by. I'm the same way with my views on western women in general. They are not as glamerous as portrayed in the media, no. I call it as I see it, regardless whether anyone agrees with me or not.

If you want to find the worse in someone, you will find it. If you want to look past the BS and find the good in a person, then you will find it, and be a better person because it. Nothing about humans should be boiler plated, bet yet it happens because we have a fetish for providing labels to people who we judge without ever hearing their plea.

I know that lots of women have infidelities. And some could be mean. One woman accused me of trying to hurt her child at the mall (her little girl was playing in the tracks of an automatic door, and i happened to walk in, and when the door slid open, it knocked her little girl over. She called security and they immediatly sided with her. I mean excuse me? But that is an isolated incident though.

I don't make assumptions based on one or a handful incidents.

Men have infidelities as well. When you hang out with a random group of guys, how many say they have only one partner, and will not touch another? Probably none.

Just today at work one of my coworkers learned that I had turned down a girl for a relationship, and what's the first thing he asked?

"If you didn't want a relationship, that's cool, but did you at least ***** her? If not, then that's a wasted opportunity".

Western men in general are rather pathetic too. Will f@#% anything that moves for the sake of trying to satisfy that never ending hunger.

The media drills that into our heads, if you are not having sex multiple times a week, if you don't have access to a nympho, then you sir, are a loser. Seriously, it's like social suicide to go against that notion.

As always, I say f@#% what society says. I don't give a damn about being socially accepted. I never was before, so why the hell should I worry about that s@#% now?

There is absolutely no free lunch. Both sides have fallacy, as BigIg said. Women can make our lives hell, we can make their lives hell as well.

Why the hell would I do that? Two wrongs don't make a right. I haven't done anything to make women's lives hell. I might have said some rude things, but that's about it.

How about we try to make it better, rather than not trying at all? You will never get above the crowd if you never stretch your neck.

Make what better?

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Getting fired again??? hmmm there must be something wrong over there or probably you just have bad luck....

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Again, April fools!

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oh, i missed that lol

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Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

Okay, let's put the maturity and serious discussion ability of this forum to the test.Don't make absolute statements about things that aren't absolute. Either put the word "some" after "self-centered", and/or replace the word "are" with "can be". You do not further your agenda by exaggerating. You only end up making it look worse for yourself.Ah, so you're just letting some emotions loose due to an experience? You know, the very thing you blast women for?Can you clarify/explain this please?

I remember saying this last month and getting chewed out, so I just stopped participating in discussions altogether.

If people want to bathe in their own ignorance, let them. You'll just get frustrated trying communicate when people are aren't trying to understand what it is you are saying.

Only facts are absolute, and you can't argue facts.

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I have to agree, thread started well the way it started, then was fun but now its going on that old ngemu puerile path... man are saints females are demons...

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Originally Posted by Strike105X

man are saints females are demons...

*sigh* No, no, NO!!!!!!!

That's never the punchline of any post I've ever made here. Not men, not women, but humans suck altogether. But damn, don't get me started on you men and YOUR hypocrisy, now...

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